Terry Wallace never had a chance: Miller (Herald-Sun)

[smasha]

Let go of the Richmond trolls at the HUN everyone.

Just a nothing article designed to derail our club.


Was wondering when they were gonna stick the knives in to start their anti Richmond campaign for 2010.

Getting in early now that Robbos club has troubles with Hurley.

Nice deflection HUNnies.

[Penelope]

No one here has said that that Wallace or Miller are blameless. Most opinions seem to be that the rot goes deeper than just these two individuals. Both Ramps and Jackstar have said that there have been problems with support staff/administartion, yet both of you say that Miller is full of crap for pointing out these sort of problems.

It makes no sense. How can he be wrong if what he is saying is backing up your claims of deeper problems than just two people???

[Smokey]

How can he be wrong if what he is saying is backing up your claims of deeper problems than just two people???

Because it doesn't suit their tirade of hate.  Miller and Wallace are both ducks which means they are both made of wood so let's burn them! 

[Smokey]

Hey hold on a minute, both "'feathered  there own nest.""
Wallace should of been gone after end of year 2
Players were peeed right off then
I dont care what anyone says, the axing of Kellaway and Gaspar caused a huge rift at punt road.
And more importantly , you lose 2 people who bled for the yellow and black.
Cant say the same about Miller and Wallace.

So?  None of that has any relevance to choosing to single out Miller and Wallace for all the blame of what is/went wrong with our club.  You and Ramps appear hellbent on making sure the buck of responsibility starts and stops with Miller and Wallace yet when pressed for a list of reasons for failure you come up with a plethora of names and instances, most of them not even when Miller and Wallace were at the club!  No-one is denying that they failed in their jobs but to not acknowledge the collective effort towards failure over the whole 30 year period and then not see the need for a deeper 'fix' is just perpetuating the problems of those last 30 years.  Head in the sand stuff really.

[RollsRoyce]

/quote]

Or a highly distorted version of the truth

rubbish,

what was distorted?

the truth about being under resourced? or the truth about influential outside factions? like i said some supporters are blindly defensive of the club, probably why the club is able to get away with the rubbish of the past 28 years yea after year. Whatever u think of miller (and believe me i don't think much of him) a lot f that was spot on.

Here's a tip and bookmark it. In 3 years if this hasn't been sorted, and there is still knifing in the back going on then hardwick will be moved on bc a fractured club is never successful, but i guess supporters like u will be saying another crap coach right?

I'll tell you exactly what was distorted. Greg Miller trying to portray himself and Wallace as completely blameless in the mess of the last 5 years.
If the recruiting dept. had only had two brass buttons thrown at it, they should have recognized when we had the cream of the draft picks in 04, that we needed to snare either one of Roughhead or Franklin, and probably both. And that's not hindsight. I was extremely ticked off on the day that we stocked up on mids instead, and the two divergent paths the clubs have taken since have proven me right.  
And for the record, right at the start of my blurb I acknowledged the in-fighting and lack of financial resources. I have been as frustrated as anybody over the last 30 years with the clubs' inability to unite and fight.
As for supporters like me, that's exactly what I am. A supporter. I may not be happy with the club's direction at times, and sometimes I get as sucked in by the hype and spin as everybody else. But whatever happens, I always plonk my money down year after year,and scream for the Tigers with every bit of breath in my lungs. And finally, I'm RAPT that we chose Hardwick, because he's the one I wanted all along. I fully believe that, given time, if he can't turn our fortunes around, then we really are beyond saving.  

[Infamy]

I dont care what anyone says, the axing of Kellaway and Gaspar caused a huge rift at punt road.
And more importantly , you lose 2 people who bled for the yellow and black.

I don't care what anyone says, it was the right move
Gaspar only got to keep his spot on the list as he was a veteran and with no one else eligible he was a "free" player
Kellaway was unlucky that he hadn't played for 10 years to be a veteran and we needed to clear space for kids

I am sick to death with discussinng topics with idiots.
We have a culture problem at Punt Road.
Supporters dont realise that both Gas and Chubber had mentoring roles at the footy club, like it or not.
Gas was the most popular player down there ( besides Richo )
All the players looked up to Gas, he was made scapegoat when the team lost 5 in a row, so Wallace took the long knife out and used it.
The Chubber axing was even worse and left a bad taste in everyones mouth.
You dont treat servants at the club like that.
You wouldnt find two better individuals than Gas and Chubber
Thus is the one of many reasons for Benny Gale appointed CEO to ensure the culture is changed..

You make me laugh Infamy as you say the Chubber was moved on to make way for the kids, LOL
You have no idea

I couldn't care less about any of that crap. No one told Gaspar to walk out, they just told him he was being dropped. It was the right call too as he was too slow and had terrible disposal. Moving him on gave players like Thursfield & McGuane the opportunity to play in the key posts after a few years in the system. They've now formed a decent trio with Moore down back thanks to that time playing together.

I didn't want Kellaway being moved on either, but the fact is he wasn't eligible for the veterans list as he had a late start to his career. I would have far preferred to keep him over Kent Kingsley, however the original decision to cut him was the right one. Given we were probably going to take Kingsley anyway means the fact Kellaway is gone means that Collins is now on the list.

They may have been good clubmen, however they were no world beaters and didn't deserve to be treated as untouchable.
It's funny how one of the main critisisms of Wallace was that he didn't turn the list over quick enough and hung on to too many older players, yet delisting Gaspar & Kellaway is also considered one of his bad moves. What a joke, it was probably the best decision he/they made in his time at Richmond. Unfortunately the players he replaced them with were no good.

[jackstar is back again]

As a club, it had a bad effect on the playing group and the culture at the club.
How would you know anyway Infamy ?
Do tell, i am all ears.

[tony_montana]

No one here has said that that Wallace or Miller are blameless. Most opinions seem to be that the rot goes deeper than just these two individuals. Both Ramps and Jackstar have said that there have been problems with support staff/administartion, yet both of you say that Miller is full of crap for pointing out these sort of problems.

It makes no sense. How can he be wrong if what he is saying is backing up your claims of deeper problems than just two people???

lol bang on

[tony_montana]

Or a highly distorted version of the truth

rubbish,

what was distorted?

the truth about being under resourced? or the truth about influential outside factions? like i said some supporters are blindly defensive of the club, probably why the club is able to get away with the rubbish of the past 28 years yea after year. Whatever u think of miller (and believe me i don't think much of him) a lot f that was spot on.

Here's a tip and bookmark it. In 3 years if this hasn't been sorted, and there is still knifing in the back going on then hardwick will be moved on bc a fractured club is never successful, but i guess supporters like u will be saying another crap coach right?

I'll tell you exactly what was distorted. Greg Miller trying to portray himself and Wallace as completely blameless in the mess of the last 5 years.
If the recruiting dept. had only had two brass buttons thrown at it, they should have recognized when we had the cream of the draft picks in 04, that we needed to snare either one of Roughhead or Franklin, and probably both. And that's not hindsight. I was extremely ticked off on the day that we stocked up on mids instead, and the two divergent paths the clubs have taken since have proven me right.  
And for the record, right at the start of my blurb I acknowledged the in-fighting and lack of financial resources. I have been as frustrated as anybody over the last 30 years with the clubs' inability to unite and fight.
As for supporters like me, that's exactly what I am. A supporter. I may not be happy with the club's direction at times, and sometimes I get as sucked in by the hype and spin as everybody else. But whatever happens, I always plonk my money down year after year,and scream for the Tigers with every bit of breath in my lungs. And finally, I'm RAPT that we chose Hardwick, because he's the one I wanted all along. I fully believe that, given time, if he can't turn our fortunes around, then we really are beyond saving.  

I admire supporters like you, I'll put my hand up and state I'm not like that. I love this club and bleed year after year but I really have no respect for the ppl that run the place. I actually despise what the club has become.  Nobody for a second thinks miller and wallace didn't eff up in a big way, but what most of us are also saying is it obviously goes a lot deeper than just clown coach after clown coach. Everytime the pressure builds, the board engages in some blood letting to appease the masses, dumps it all on the outgoing personel and once more they escape the limelight until the pressure builds on the next coach and so the vicious circle continues.

[jackstar is back again]

its called culture

[tony_montana]

well we need to rip this biatch out and creat a new one!

does anybody have the balls to do it?

[Mr Magic]

Thank heavens Miller/Wallet have gone. All the excuses in the world won't change things in my eyes, particularly as I am yet to see many acknowledgement's of their numerous errors (none in Wallet's case). Their football reputations are in tatters & good riddance. Enjoy your RFC retirement funds.

Anyone who spreads them, whether they are the originators or some bloke 100 down the line, is doing the club an injustice and not someone you'd want on your payroll

Have to agree with this though.
Jackstar I am really disappointed with a lot of the club information you post on internet forums which somewhat confidential whether it's first hand or 5th hand. Totally unproductive and damaging to our club and I'd prefer you didn't do it. Seeing as 95% of it usually has a negative angle, I really am unsure what benefit you get from it? Do you get kicks out of seeing our team suffer or what?

[jackstar is back again]

Thank heavens Miller/Wallet have gone. All the excuses in the world won't change things in my eyes, particularly as I am yet to see many acknowledgement's of their numerous errors (none in Wallet's case). Their football reputations are in tatters & good riddance. Enjoy your RFC retirement funds.

Anyone who spreads them, whether they are the originators or some bloke 100 down the line, is doing the club an injustice and not someone you'd want on your payroll

Have to agree with this though.
Jackstar I am really disappointed with a lot of the club information you post on internet forums which somewhat confidential whether it's first hand or 5th hand. Totally unproductive and damaging to our club and I'd prefer you didn't do it. Seeing as 95% of it usually has a negative angle, I really am unsure what benefit you get from it? Do you get kicks out of seeing our team suffer or what?

Information I post is usually 5th hand.
Can tell you that its been around the traps and usually known in the footy circles anyway,. Dont see a big drama reporting that Terry Wallet is a sissy !, LOL

[jackstar is back again]

and if i have posted things about Gas and Chubber that happended 3 years ago when I was in the room, whats the big deal , its the truth anyway

[Mr Magic]

Information I post is usually 5th hand.
Can tell you that its been around the traps and usually known in the footy circles anyway

Fair enough if that is the case.
However I'd really hope that now that Wallet's left the building that yourself and others who are privy to such information(whether 1st or 5th hand) refrain from leaking information out to the masses where possible.
For example I was extremely disappointed to read yesterday that Gale's internal vision had been leaked out to the media.
We need all Richmond people to be pulling together right now to lift this club back to where it belongs and these leaks need to stop.