Terry Wallace never had a chance: Miller (Herald-Sun)

[Ox]

Anyone who moves on two major duds like Gas and Kellaway deserve a 5 year extension.

Coaching the RFC would be like pioneering a cure for cancer-once you did,no cnut would give a stuff about you.

[jackstar is back again]

Information I post is usually 5th hand.
Can tell you that its been around the traps and usually known in the footy circles anyway

Fair enough if that is the case.
However I'd really hope that now that Wallet's left the building that yourself and others who are privy to such information(whether 1st or 5th hand) refrain from leaking information out to the masses where possible.
For example I was extremely disappointed to read yesterday that Gale's internal vision had been leaked out to the media.
We need all Richmond people to be pulling together right now to lift this club back to where it belongs and these leaks need to stop.

FFucken dont blame me.
Posted earlier on they should clean everyone out of the place and I get internet idiots abusing me,

[Mr Magic]

Feffen dont blame me.
Posted earlier on they should clean everyone out of the place and I get internet idiots abusing me,

I'm not abusuing you. Like I said if that's the case fair enough.
I just want the leaks to stop because I have had a gutful of them.
If Benny ever finds who leaked that document to Gleeson I hope they have their balls.

[jackstar is back again]

Feffen dont blame me.
Posted earlier on they should clean everyone out of the place and I get internet idiots abusing me,

I'm not abusuing you. Like I said if that's the case fair enough.
I just want the leaks to stop because I have had a gutful of them.
If Benny ever finds who leaked that document to Gleeson I hope they have their balls.

Yep, Benny should get rid of all the "' hangers on "' down here.
The people who think there very important but they aint,

[Smokey]

Posted earlier on they should clean everyone out of the place....

Everyone Jack?  No-one at the club is worth keeping?

[Ramps]

No one here has said that that Wallace or Miller are blameless. Most opinions seem to be that the rot goes deeper than just these two individuals. Both Ramps and Jackstar have said that there have been problems with support staff/administartion, yet both of you say that Miller is full of crap for pointing out these sort of problems.

It makes no sense. How can he be wrong if what he is saying is backing up your claims of deeper problems than just two people???

Just so that people dont misunderstand my view - Its this

People who have been in any organisation and the organisation has failed during that time, In my opinion, those people shouldnt be saying anything to the media afterwards, and they shouldnt be offering there reasons for the failure- they should have tried to change it!

Did they try and change it? How? How does agreeing to sit on a board whilst being an normal employee under the assessment of a CEO help in create cultural change?

By the way some people have said that Jacko and me HATE people, I cant answer for Jacko- but I dont hate anybody, I call it how I see it, these guys came to Richmond- we were last, they left Richmond, and we were still last. Im entitled to my opinion![/b]

[jackstar is back again]

No one here has said that that Wallace or Miller are blameless. Most opinions seem to be that the rot goes deeper than just these two individuals. Both Ramps and Jackstar have said that there have been problems with support staff/administartion, yet both of you say that Miller is full of crap for pointing out these sort of problems.

It makes no sense. How can he be wrong if what he is saying is backing up your claims of deeper problems than just two people???

Just so that people dont misunderstand my view - Its this

People who have been in any organisation and the organisation has failed during that time, In my opinion, those people shouldnt be saying anything to the media afterwards, and they shouldnt be offering there reasons for the failure- they should have tried to change it!

Did they try and change it? How? How does agreeing to sit on a board whilst being an normal employee under the assessment of a CEO help in create cultural change?

By the way some people have said that Jacko and me HATE people, I cant answer for Jacko- but I dont hate anybody, I call it how I see it, these guys came to Richmond- we were last, they left Richmond, and we were still last. Im entitled to my opinion![/b]

Am with you Ramps
These people contributed zip to the RFC

[the claw]

facts facts and more facts.
as long as people like miller and wallace deflect  and paint a picture,  there should always be those about the place who set the record straight.

if miller can paint a picture  and it becomes the  truth we will forever be painted in a poor light and a club that turns on its own.

the simple fact is  theis sorry episode in our history goes back to 1999. the subsequent  casey miller wallace yrs a re intertwined linked  and damning. one could not ever picture 3 blokes sticking together for so long thru so much failure.
the real questions that need asking is HOW DID THEY SURVIVE SO LONG WHILE DOING SO MUCH DAMAGE.This is the question we want answered  we want it understood by all just so it cant happen again.

yeah its all old hat and some can well say let it go and i vehemently disagree. we have to learn from this. whats that saying  he who learns nothing from history is doomed to make the same mistakes.

every time a spin doctor like  miller puts a false slant on things  and people believe it he changes history  or in our case nothing changes. we continue to be portrayed  as a club who eats their own when nothing could be further from the truth.

sheesh casey frawley miller wallace should be grateful they managed to survive so long after such appalling performances. over such a long period of time.

ya know i find it ironic leon daphne was sacked in 99 after basically saving the club from bankruptcy. he was arsed because  the footy dept  was getting no money  or the new ticket wanted more money spent  on the footy dept.
casey hired miller and wallace yet spent nothing in critical areas of the club while at the same time taking the club from the black to 5.5 mil in debt. now thats ironic.

on miller  sheesh you could write a book on this charlatan  and the destruction he wreaked on our club. he got away with this because there was no processes in place to make him accountable  i dont know if much has changed either.

[Smokey]

Just so that people dont misunderstand my view - Its this

People who have been in any organisation and the organisation has failed during that time, In my opinion, those people shouldnt be saying anything to the media afterwards, and they shouldnt be offering there reasons for the failure- they should have tried to change it!

Did they try and change it? How? How does agreeing to sit on a board whilst being an normal employee under the assessment of a CEO help in create cultural change?

By the way some people have said that Jacko and me HATE people, I cant answer for Jacko- but I dont hate anybody, I call it how I see it, these guys came to Richmond- we were last, they left Richmond, and we were still last. Im entitled to my opinion!

Still not clear on this - is it Miller and Wallace's fault that Richmond is where it is today?

[Smokey]

the simple fact is  theis sorry episode in our history goes back to 1999.

You are kidding yourself.

[jackstar is back again]

Great post The Claw.
What amazes me that once the masses have a new appointment, they all get excited and beleive that this new person will lead them to success.
Working with Wallace for 2 years lead me to beleive he was leading us to ruins, but the club wanted to be "'honourable "' and wasted another 3 years on him being fully uncountable

And your right, there were no performance indictors for Wallace or Miller.
People beleive that our CEO at the time did a great job, his perfomance in my eyes was terrible as he had the opportunity to work with the board and other decision makers to ""fix"" certain things, he didnt and he has now been replaced.

[jackstar is back again]

Just so that people dont misunderstand my view - Its this

People who have been in any organisation and the organisation has failed during that time, In my opinion, those people shouldnt be saying anything to the media afterwards, and they shouldnt be offering there reasons for the failure- they should have tried to change it!

Did they try and change it? How? How does agreeing to sit on a board whilst being an normal employee under the assessment of a CEO help in create cultural change?

By the way some people have said that Jacko and me HATE people, I cant answer for Jacko- but I dont hate anybody, I call it how I see it, these guys came to Richmond- we were last, they left Richmond, and we were still last. Im entitled to my opinion!

Still not clear on this - is it Miller and Wallace's fault that Richmond is where it is today?

YES, we have an extremely poor list thanks to these two clowns

[Infamy]

the simple fact is  theis sorry episode in our history goes back to 1999. the subsequent  casey miller wallace yrs a re intertwined linked  and damning. one could not ever picture 3 blokes sticking together for so long thru so much failure.

You have a short memory, it goes back a lot further than that

[Smokey]

YES, we have an extremely poor list thanks to these two clowns

That will be a great relief to Danny Frawley, Clinton Casey, Robert Walls, Leon Daphne, Jeff Geischen, etc etc.

[Ox]

Why i reckon this club is"farooked"

It's simple.
Stupid idiots!
Not the players but the admin,commitee members and most importantly the sloths who managed to control from behind the curtain.
You could probably count them on one hand over a 25 year period.
People arent to blame for their opinions but rather the private boys club type propaganda that has flowe out of punt road for what seems ever.
One thing for sure - when the players basically refuse to go any further under a certain coach,the joint is f ahked !!!!!!

Only hope left is to blueprint a professional structure and follow it.

First thing to find tho is a soul.