Terry Wallace never had a chance: Miller (Herald-Sun)

[WilliamPowell]

As others have mentioned it was a unbiased article/interview.

Disagree entirely with that WP.
Whilst some of what you say may well be true, Sheehan's article was a blame game piece that contained very little balance and there was little to no revelation of the countless mistakes Wallace and Miller made along the way.

Fair enough Magic

I just thought it didn't contain "they sacked me I putting the boots in" type crap. Did anywhere in the article did Mike say "typical Richmond implosion"? Did Miller take a big stick to anyone at the club and say things like "March is a dog because he sacked me", "Hardwick hasn't a hope because of the factions down' there" etc. I was generally surprised that Miller even admitted to his weaknesses as a manager

Nope and for that i reckon it was pretty balanced and unbiased

[Smokey]

Sheehan's article was a blame game piece that contained very little balance and there was little to no revelation of the countless mistakes Wallace and Miller made along the way.

I don't see it that way at all MM.  It was an interview, nothing more and all Sheehan did was put the words into print.  He offers no opinion or conjecture, only the views and opinions of Miller so in this one, Mike is not at fault for anything.  Regarding Miller's opinions, well that is exactly what an interview is - a question and answer session designed to get someone's views and opinions so he did nothing wrong in offering them.  And if, in his opinion, he saw a number of reasons for failure then he is entitled to put them all forward when asked.  I didn't see him shy away from highlighting his own shortcomings but for people to suggest that no-one else was at fault or to blame for the failure of the last 5 years and that Miller and Wallace should shoulder and acknowledge total culpability is just taking the ostrich approach.  To be frank, it is just highlighting and perpetuating the mistakes of so many years past.

[TigerTimeII]

mm right, the past has nothing to do with it

2 coaches in 10 yrs says stability

its so easy more ppl to keep blaming the past and not taking ownership of the present

wallace thinks he is teh reason the doggies are good now ...what a joke

he had a blueprint 5 yr plan for us,,,,,,,,,lol,,,,,,,,,,,,,,lying bastard

miller is a idiot

and sheehan is in there pocket

stuff them all

[torch]

i personally do not understand what goes on at Richmond behind closed doors.

some on this fourm claim to know.

my question is "who are these "Board" people who apparently have the last call?"

who are these people who keep telling Richmond's big men what to do?

i understand what Miller is trying to say.

even though Miller was not around when Ben Cousins was drafted to Richmond, i believe/think Terry Wallace was told (with Craig Cameron) to recruit Ben Cousins.

i think this example is what i understand Miller is trying to say Wallace had no support, and that these "Others" wanted Ben Cousins.

at the time, i did not want Ben Cousins, but know i am happy that he seems to have his life back on track, and is still loving his football.

so good call from those "Others", but did Terry Wallace/Craig Cameron really want Ben Cousins?

Miller is i think, trying to cover the scars he has left at Richmond.

Terry Wallace can coach, but i do know about his communication with all players.

i believe in "Final Results" and during their time at Richmond, we achieved nothing.

i will say Wallace/Miller have found some players that will play in Richmond's next Premiership.

but those players were obvious choices. (eg: Deledio, Cotchin)

when we do win our 11th Premiership, i will not point to Wallace/Miller at all and if they (which i think they will) come out to have a piece of that cake, then they are really little girls who are just wanting to be seen again and loved again.

accept the good/bad decisions and do not outweigh one another for your liking!

to me, that is saying you have done something wrong and you are trying to cover it up!

 

[jackstar is back again]

In regards to Ben Cousins.
You can beleive it or not, but K. Sheedy got Ben to punt road,
Neither Wallace or Cameron had nothing intially to do with it.
Sheedy flew to Perth and thats how it started

So therefore, Wallace was told to draft Ben Cousins

[torch]

In regards to Ben Cousins.
You can beleive it or not, but K. Sheedy got Ben to punt road,
Neither Wallace or Cameron had nothing intially to do with it.
Sheedy flew to Perth and thats how it started

So therefore, Wallace was told to draft Ben Cousins

Yep, i know that.

and i think that is an example of Miller saying "Other" people are helping Wallace with whatever his plan was.

to me Cameron/Wallace were not keen.

i can 100% understand why we did take Ben Cousins, but i do understand what Miller is saying Wallace had to deal with.

maybe Ben Cousins was Terry Wallace's downfall.

drafted Cousins, creating massive pressure to make Finals.

then BANG, Round 1, smashed, Wallace could not deal with Richmond anymore.

 

[Hellenic Tiger]

Why bring an article like this up at this point in time less than three weeks from the start of the season?

Some on hear have said that our problems began in 1983 I say they began at the end of 1976 when our most successful coach ever in Tom Hafey left the club. We were on the path to destruction when we won the flag in 1980 but we had enough pennies in the bank and we were able to prowl with enough aura.

Ian Wilson has alot to answer for. The Hafey saga in 1976 and then the infighting with Barry Richardson in 1984-85 all under his tenure. This article only seems to generate how poor we have been as a club in 35 years and why poo like this gets printed and the media just have no regard for us and print this refuse.

1975 actually Tucker.  Roberts, Jackson, Teasdale vs Pitura.  Ripped the soul out of the club and we have never recovered.

Oh yes Smokey you are correct.
We stumbled and bumbled our way to a prelim narrowly beating the Skunks and the Filth before North beat us after going back to back in 1973-1974.
The Pitura deal plus 50 gorillas was in effect the 70's version of the trade wars with Collingwood which we saw in the 80's. Made sure we didn't seriously challenge again in 70's losing some quality players for a guy who had played his best two league games as a South Melbourne player against Richmond. Things fell into place in 1980 but we had shot ourselves in the foot for five years before this and in the 29 years after.
Ian Wilson started the rot at this club of ours when he was appointed as Pres in 1974. His inabilities as Pres were exposed from 1975 onwards and our aura started to diminish slowly from that time onwards.

[the claw]

the simple fact is  theis sorry episode in our history goes back to 1999.

You are kidding yourself.

i dont know what period you are talking about  but im talking about three men. miller casey and wallace. the period we are talking  about on this thread or perhaps ive read this thread wrong. the time period  is the end of 99 to the end of 09. the time frame of these three men at our club. is this not a thread about miller wallace and thru association casey as their boss.

casey came to the club at a time when we could start to channel money into critical areas. we just went into the black after nearly being extinct just 5 or 6 yrs previously.  casey  hired miller.  miller blackmailed the clubs supporters  to get wallace, in  04.  these three were a triumvirate and one that survived despite shocking performance  and despite what miller says.

hmm i wonder whos kidding himself.

i dont kid myself  or about the the perilous state of the rfc club  some may put their heads up their arses and pretend all is well but not this little black duck.

just one more thing as well lets not forget gary march was an integral part of the board that sat back and allowed casey and miller free reign board menbers should not be absolved of blame either there were no checks and balances because the board failed to do its job.

i will give march some credit though he seems to have actually learnt something from the casey period.while i can never trust him i can forgive him as long as does not repeat past mistakes.

it took a fair bit of doing to prise casey out of the place and proved just as hard to get rid of miller. after all fool supporters voted miller onto the board while he was head of footy in a way making him accountable to no one.
how any supporters could vote a ticket back into power that  plunged the club into such massive debt with such abysmal performce and total lack of direction is beyond me. theres no fool like a richmond fool.

im sure march would have liked to give wallace his marching orders at the end of 08, but again was forced to let matters run their course.

we want to hope we now have processes in place that allows us to sack any under performing  employee of the club. including the president if need be.

as i said if wallace march and miller are allowed to paint a false picture it will only reflect poorly on the rfc as a mob who continues to eat their own and this is patently not true.
shockingly run yep we all know that and cant argue it its the truth. but its patently poor form when its those who ran the club so poorly who are painting the picture of having their knees cut of after failing for so long.

[the claw]

In regards to Ben Cousins.
You can beleive it or not, but K. Sheedy got Ben to punt road,
Neither Wallace or Cameron had nothing intially to do with it.
Sheedy flew to Perth and thats how it started

So therefore, Wallace was told to draft Ben Cousins

pretty well known that cameron had promised nahas a spot in the psd. cameron was made to look very foolish at times concerning us getting cousins.

[the claw]

Answer, we are half way there.
Hardwick and Gale are great appointments.
Leave it at that.
I aint a March person as I have seen him get involved in footy matters in this past which he shouldnt have been involved in, mail is , that hasnt chnaged either. Jury is out on Cameron.

Good to see you're largely on board Jackie.
March may or may not be the best option but he has appointed Gale, presided over Hardwick's appointment and lifted the curtain on Wallet/Miller.
Gary doesn't get all things right but I think he's done a pretty damn good job trying to undo the wreckage from the Casey era and get our club finally pulling in the same direction. That in itself is a monumental task and mistakes will be made along the way but we need to look at the big picture and not nitpick along the journey.

Why bring an article like this up at this point in time less than three weeks from the start of the season?

Simple. Specs has deliberately opened up an old wound at a time when the club is showing more unity and direction than it has in the past 30 years.

It's transparent to me that despite obvious failures Wallet/Miller having left the building some time ago, Sheehan's one sided article is looking to create drama and instability at Richmond once again.

Whether successful or not the Tiges are always big news in the press and Mike knows it better than anyone.

This week Mike will write about us being a basket case, next it'll be that we are finally on the right path. 
It's really grain of salt stuff and quite pathetic really but Mike sure knows the buttons to push to create a sense of uncertainty.
Seems that there's one more thing that's more entertaining for the AFL media than seeing Richmond successful and that's seeing us eat each other alive.

Hopefully Richmond(Admin, coaches, players & supporters) finally band together and look forward to the future rather than dwell on the past and see these articles for what they are.

Moving on..

totally agree but lets not forget gary march was a part of that board that sat on its hands and let miller and casey run amock.  where was the checks and balances and due diligence  do we have the processes in place that will not allow this ti happen again.

anyway as poor as he was as a board member ( just how much blame should he shoulder surely he has to put his hand up  as well ) hes been good as a president in very trying circumstances.
maybe its a case hes experienced not what to do and is now going about it the right way.

[Smokey]

i dont know what period you are talking about  but im talking about three men. miller casey and wallace. the period we are talking  about on this thread or perhaps ive read this thread wrong. the time period  is the end of 99 to the end of 09. the time frame of these three men at our club. is this not a thread about miller wallace and thru association casey as their boss.

The original article was an interview with Miller in which he gave his opinion/view on what were the failings of the club during his time - his time being 02 to 08 so 1999 has no relevance at all.  Unless.................................you happen to believe that other factors were involved in the lack of success at the club in which case you should be prepared to accept all the factors over all the years and if that's the case then accept that our problems started a long long time before 1999.  And that is my point - Miler and Wallace failed in their charter during their time at the club but they weren't the only reason we failed and they are entitled to point out what they saw as the other reasons.  Miller didn't say he was blameless but he did elaborate on the other factors as he saw them and that is entirely reasonable.

casey came to the club at a time when we could start to channel money into critical areas.

Very wrong.  The club was in no position to start channeling money into other areas when Casey took over.  As you correctly point out, it had just recovered from near bankruptcy to trading in the black but it was in no position of strength to start spending in deficient areas - in fact, the Casey board's cavalier attitude to spending took us straight back to a perilous financial position because we had no financial foundation to embark on such a stupid activity.

hmm i wonder whos kidding himself.

Exactly.

i dont kid myself  or about the the perilous state of the rfc club  some may put their heads up their behinds and pretend all is well but not this little black duck.

You didn't do a bad job of kidding yourself about the state when Casey took over.

just one more thing as well lets not forget gary march was an integral part of the board that sat back and allowed casey and miller free reign board menbers should not be absolved of blame either there were no checks and balances because the board failed to do its job.

i will give march some credit though he seems to have actually learnt something from the casey period.while i can never trust him i can forgive him as long as does not repeat past mistakes.

it took a fair bit of doing to prise casey out of the place and proved just as hard to get rid of miller. after all fool supporters voted miller onto the board while he was head of footy in a way making him accountable to no one.
how any supporters could vote a ticket back into power that  plunged the club into such massive debt with such abysmal performce and total lack of direction is beyond me. theres no fool like a richmond fool.

Gee, forgive me for thinking that you see others as being responsible for the failure also, not just Miller and Wallace.  Pretty sure thats what Miller said in his interview too.

we want to hope we now have processes in place that allows us to sack any under performing  employee of the club. including the president if need be.

We already have those processes in place.  In fact, they have been in place all along.  Our problem has been that others have not exercised sound judgment in the use of those processes, and that also includes everyone from the president down to those members who voted for the Casey/Miller ticket and all the managerial staff in between.

Gee, sounds like others might have had some responsibility in getting the club to where it is today.  Now let me think.......................where have I heard that before.

as i said if wallace march and miller are allowed to paint a false picture it will only reflect poorly on the rfc as a mob who continues to eat their own and this is patently not true.
shockingly run yep we all know that and cant argue it its the truth. but its patently poor form when its those who ran the club so poorly who are painting the picture of having their knees cut of after failing for so long.

Why is it patently poor form to talk the truth as he sees it?  Please point out one part of his interview that is incorrect in fact.  Maybe the truth cuts a bit too deep for some to handle or maybe some just have a blind hatred or prejudice and it suits their agenda to single out blame.

[WilliamPowell]

In regards to Ben Cousins.
You can beleive it or not, but K. Sheedy got Ben to punt road,
Neither Wallace or Cameron had nothing intially to do with it.
Sheedy flew to Perth and thats how it started

So therefore, Wallace was told to draft Ben Cousins

Who told you that Sheeds?

As always I guess it depends on who you talk too.....

[bojangles17]

reading bw the lines or simply interpreting what locked and loaded ready to challenge was supposed to eman, TW was hot to trot after any experienced player, Kerr what have you regardless of the cost, without mad dog miller his wings were clipped...to suggest it was entirely down to sheedy is fanciful

[yellowandback]

Wallace never had a chance because he wasn't up to it.
And he picked up a list that was run into the ground by an totally inept fool.
Greg Miller is/was a footbal relic who was run out of town by the Kangaroos.
And our board has been a joke since the Clinton Casey days.

It is no wonder we have had no success at all for 10 years and limited success for 30.

We are run like a bad suburban club.  And that is no secret within the football industry.

[TigerLand]

Look as far as the club leaking is concerned it simply just happens. Theres no poiont getting hung up over it. Our local footy club has 2 boys on AFL lists and both today were at a practice match of ours and enjoyed more than anything telling the stories of NMFC and MFC respectively, some very embarrassing stories as well revolving around some club leaders which raised many laughs. You just cant stop chinese whispers.

Miller/Wallace, well quiet simply they were the stick that broke the camels back. After years of frustration the big white knight was appointed coach (leader/Wallace) with the best recruiter in the land ("I found Carey"/Miller) they sold the club massively with clever marketing spin and predictions. It's not entirely there fault they didn't have a reigning premier to take over they had a 20 year unsuccessful football club.

To say they didn't have the resources or right paddock to do there work is soft as they both knew what they were getting into and both put there egos before there brains.

I'm confused at his comments of a hinted unsettled executive head of the board with the Pres, CEO, Head of FD and Coach not looking after each other. If you've ever seen a tighter dictatorship of Clinton, Terry and Greg I'll eat my shoe. They always had each others back for each mistake after mistake.

They recruited poorly through both types of drafts and failed miserably in developing our younger players physically and mentally.

They relied far to much on our senior players and drafted stars for a higher price then what they were worth and put all time and resources into them instead of a planned blueprint of sustained success.

Wallace accepted a $600,000 yet complained the footy club was so under financed in areas he needed to excel in his job. I'm sorry but anyone who is 100% committed to success who truly believe this to be a factor would pour money into things he needed off his own back or take a pay cut accordingly; Wallace made the decision to do nothing.

All these decisions amount into an utter failure of the regime of Wallace/Miller, they aren't the only ones at fault but they are the faces of the era and take the hits when the blame game is thrown around. You take the good with the bad, if your a Premier the coach is the hero, if you fail the coach is the villain. Its as simple as that.

Respect to Miller in his honesty for admitting his failures, its a lot more than what Terry has ever done or said. The one thing I have a problem is that Greg is a smart man, he knew the percentages were against him yet he still gambled with my footy club, juggling a million jobs because the club wasn't financially stable yet our Player Payments were always topped up and our coach was on mega dollars..

That I'm sorry to say can not hardly easily forgive, simply after admittance at the failure of the regime.

I'm in full support of our current regime and look forward to some honest hard and well earned business and football results.