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Re: Terry Wallace never had a chance: Miller (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #90 on: March 07, 2010, 12:41:49 AM »
jaackstar, do you think Richmond is now in "good hands", the big four i am meaning, Hardwick, Gale, March, Cameron?

or is this question to early to answer?

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Re: Terry Wallace never had a chance: Miller (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #91 on: March 07, 2010, 01:04:03 AM »
Why bring an article like this up at this point in time less than three weeks from the start of the season?

Some on hear have said that our problems began in 1983 I say they began at the end of 1976 when our most successful coach ever in Tom Hafey left the club. We were on the path to destruction when we won the flag in 1980 but we had enough pennies in the bank and we were able to prowl with enough aura.

Ian Wilson has alot to answer for. The Hafey saga in 1976 and then the infighting with Barry Richardson in 1984-85 all under his tenure. This article only seems to generate how poor we have been as a club in 35 years and why poo like this gets printed and the media just have no regard for us and print this refuse.

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Re: Terry Wallace never had a chance: Miller (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #92 on: March 07, 2010, 02:25:25 AM »
Maybe we all need to go back and watch David Williamson's "The Club" as it might be a lot closer to the truth than we think.
I'm the first to admit that I do not have a true insight into the back room politics of our club but as a supporter of our Club for 40 years, I do know that despite its true origins,  destabilisation in any organisation is a recipe for disaster.
In the past our Club has been one of the few where quality players and staff looking for a gig would regularly and quite often publicly rule out as a realistic option. The only people of note who would come, would only do so if they were offered plenty of cash or long term contracts, (Brown, Simmonds, Wallace and so on...) This would guarantee them a stable opportunity in an environment that has been described as volatile for many years. I got the feeling that even Cuz may have preferred to go elsewhere if other opportunities had arisen for him.  
 
Lets face it, our club has been on an unstable fault line since the mid 80's.  We went from 5 premierships in 13 years to zero in the subsequent 13. We became victims of our own freakish success and every year that passed where we did not meet expectations, the pressure to regain those glory days ever increased. Pressure from us the supporters, pressure from sponsors and pressure from past players. In order to achieve this success and to overcome a massive loss of talent through retirement, the club became impatient, looking for a quick fix or a magic pill and with this came a multitude of poor decisions that we have suffered for almost 30 years. Who knows, The Brisbane Lions may become the next Richmond if they don't win another premiership in the next 5-10 years. They too will feel the heat trying to live up to their freakish successes of 2001-2003.  

I believe we have finally learned our lesson with the appointment of Hardwick. He has made no promises of short term success, he is painting a real picture of where we are at and is taking what he believes are the right steps toward future long term success but most of all, he is attempting to instill a culture of patience. Something that our club has not had since 1980. Sure we all still crave success as shown by the recent banter on our practice matches, but I for one have finally realised that we won't play finals this year or maybe even next year, but when we do, I am confident that it will be based on a solid foundation of proactive decisions born through an instilled culture of patience and not a culture based on impatience and unrealistic expectations.

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Re: Terry Wallace never had a chance: Miller (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #93 on: March 07, 2010, 07:45:41 AM »
Great post Tiga  :thumbsup

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Re: Terry Wallace never had a chance: Miller (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #94 on: March 07, 2010, 07:46:09 AM »
jaackstar, do you think Richmond is now in "good hands", the big four i am meaning, Hardwick, Gale, March, Cameron?

or is this question to early to answer?

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Answer, we are half way there.
Hardwick and Gale are great appointments.
Leave it at that.
I aint a March person as I have seen him get involved in footy matters in this past which he shouldnt have been involved in, mail is , that hasnt chnaged either. Jury is out on Cameron.

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Re: Terry Wallace never had a chance: Miller (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #95 on: March 07, 2010, 08:19:59 AM »
Answer, we are half way there.
Hardwick and Gale are great appointments.
Leave it at that.
I aint a March person as I have seen him get involved in footy matters in this past which he shouldnt have been involved in, mail is , that hasnt chnaged either. Jury is out on Cameron.

Good to see you're largely on board Jackie.
March may or may not be the best option but he has appointed Gale, presided over Hardwick's appointment and lifted the curtain on Wallet/Miller.
Gary doesn't get all things right but I think he's done a pretty damn good job trying to undo the wreckage from the Casey era and get our club finally pulling in the same direction. That in itself is a monumental task and mistakes will be made along the way but we need to look at the big picture and not nitpick along the journey.

Why bring an article like this up at this point in time less than three weeks from the start of the season?

Simple. Specs has deliberately opened up an old wound at a time when the club is showing more unity and direction than it has in the past 30 years.

It's transparent to me that despite obvious failures Wallet/Miller having left the building some time ago, Sheehan's one sided article is looking to create drama and instability at Richmond once again.

Whether successful or not the Tiges are always big news in the press and Mike knows it better than anyone.

This week Mike will write about us being a basket case, next it'll be that we are finally on the right path.  :rollin
It's really grain of salt stuff and quite pathetic really but Mike sure knows the buttons to push to create a sense of uncertainty.
Seems that there's one more thing that's more entertaining for the AFL media than seeing Richmond successful and that's seeing us eat each other alive.

Hopefully Richmond(Admin, coaches, players & supporters) finally band together and look forward to the future rather than dwell on the past and see these articles for what they are.

Moving on..


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Re: Terry Wallace never had a chance: Miller (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #96 on: March 07, 2010, 08:22:01 AM »
Miller was at Mikes 60th Birthday a few years back, say no more

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Re: Terry Wallace never had a chance: Miller (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #97 on: March 07, 2010, 09:05:59 AM »
No one here has said that that Wallace or Miller are blameless. Most opinions seem to be that the rot goes deeper than just these two individuals. Both Ramps and Jackstar have said that there have been problems with support staff/administartion, yet both of you say that Miller is full of crap for pointing out these sort of problems.

It makes no sense. How can he be wrong if what he is saying is backing up your claims of deeper problems than just two people???


Just so that people dont misunderstand my view - Its this

People who have been in any organisation and the organisation has failed during that time, In my opinion, those people shouldnt be saying anything to the media afterwards, and they shouldnt be offering there reasons for the failure- they should have tried to change it!

Did they try and change it? How? How does agreeing to sit on a board whilst being an normal employee under the assessment of a CEO help in create cultural change?

By the way some people have said that Jacko and me HATE people, I cant answer for Jacko- but I dont hate anybody, I call it how I see it, these guys came to Richmond- we were last, they left Richmond, and we were still last. Im entitled to my opinion![/b]






Am with you Ramps :thumbsup
These people contributed zip to the RFC

Find it strange you would agree with this Jack. Just a heads up, the internet is a form of media.
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Re: Terry Wallace never had a chance: Miller (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #98 on: March 07, 2010, 10:04:41 AM »
jack nothing more on the michael green rumour of several months back?
seems  a pity to waste a talent like michael green ,even in some other capacity

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Re: Terry Wallace never had a chance: Miller (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #99 on: March 07, 2010, 10:08:44 AM »

People who have been in any organisation and the organisation has failed during that time, In my opinion, those people shouldnt be saying anything to the media afterwards, and they shouldnt be offering there reasons for the failure- they should have tried to change it!

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these guys came to Richmond- we were last, they left Richmond, and we were still last.


So what's your opinion on Jack having his say all over the internet Ramps?

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Re: Terry Wallace never had a chance: Miller (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #100 on: March 07, 2010, 10:10:17 AM »
Why bring an article like this up at this point in time less than three weeks from the start of the season?

Some on hear have said that our problems began in 1983 I say they began at the end of 1976 when our most successful coach ever in Tom Hafey left the club. We were on the path to destruction when we won the flag in 1980 but we had enough pennies in the bank and we were able to prowl with enough aura.

Ian Wilson has alot to answer for. The Hafey saga in 1976 and then the infighting with Barry Richardson in 1984-85 all under his tenure. This article only seems to generate how poor we have been as a club in 35 years and why poo like this gets printed and the media just have no regard for us and print this refuse.


1975 actually Tucker.  Roberts, Jackson, Teasdale vs Pitura.  Ripped the soul out of the club and we have never recovered.

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Re: Terry Wallace never had a chance: Miller (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #101 on: March 07, 2010, 10:12:05 AM »

I ain't a March person as I have seen him get involved in footy matters in this past which he shouldn't have been involved in, mail is , that hasn't changed either.


And yet it is all Miller and Wallace's fault?

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Re: Terry Wallace never had a chance: Miller (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #102 on: March 07, 2010, 10:27:19 AM »
As others have mentioned it was a unbiased article/interview.

There were some comments made that whether people want to admit it or not are sadly true, that is past players & coteries having too much say and influence. That is IMHO an indictment on the RFC and has been for over 30 years now. It is also true that there wasn't enough unity amongst the big 4 at the club...

Does it excuse the failures of the Wallace/Miller era? Absolutely not and nor should it.

We can only hope that the unity is there now and IMO my intitial views from the outside looking in is that the UNITY we need is finally there. Let's hope it stays that way   
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Re: Terry Wallace never had a chance: Miller (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #103 on: March 07, 2010, 10:35:16 AM »
As others have mentioned it was a unbiased article/interview.

Disagree entirely with that WP.
Whilst some of what you say may well be true, Sheehan's article was a blame game piece that contained very little balance and there was little to no revelation of the countless mistakes Wallace and Miller made along the way.

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Re: Terry Wallace never had a chance: Miller (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #104 on: March 07, 2010, 10:44:10 AM »
Miller was at Mikes 60th Birthday a few years back, say no more
Big deal - you were probably there as well, say no more  ;)