Can anyone answer this

[Ramps]

All clubs have what I would consider to be average players or what the great jack dyer used to say good ordinary players.

R1 we play carlton minus judd and again a couple of what I consider to be good ordinary players once again took us to the cleaners- carazzo, simpson, betts just to name three - even o'hailpin did ok but carazzo and simpson did some serious damage imho.

how come average players at other clubs always seem to take us to  the cleaners, how come over time they seem to improve whilst our "supposed good ordinary players stay at the same level or go backwards an how come some of our supposed better players like newman are way behind the likes of carazzo et al in terms of playing ability. our average players always stay ordinary and its a big problem imho. anyone have adecent answer.

[cub]

We just don't seem to be able to get enough decent players with balls in the side at the same time to allow these other players to lift a notch and then develop belief in themselves.
With these types of players moreso than others what happens above the shoulders is paramount to their playing ability and whether they make it or not.
That is probably one of my main problems with Lids, he's big enough! I would really like to see him hitting some packs real "REAL" hard - I don't care if he hurts himself, may make players like Tambling follow the lead and then it becomes infectious and runs down through the team.

One of the reasons I liked Hislops game! If some of these big shots can get some inspiration from someone/somewhere then it can agur well for the team as a whole.
And no I am not a great fan of Hislop but if he keeps up that attack on the ball, maybe he may find some belief and maybe, just maybe he could make it.

[jackstar is back again]

All clubs have what I would consider to be average players or what the great jack dyer used to say good ordinary players.

R1 we play carlton minus judd and again a couple of what I consider to be good ordinary players once again took us to the cleaners- carazzo, simpson, betts just to name three - even o'hailpin did ok but carazzo and simpson did some serious damage imho.

how come average players at other clubs always seem to take us to  the cleaners, how come over time they seem to improve whilst our "supposed good ordinary players stay at the same level or go backwards an how come some of our supposed better players like newman are way behind the likes of carazzo et al in terms of playing ability. our average players always stay ordinary and its a big problem imho. anyone have adecent answer.

Would say this.
Both Carazzo ad Simpson ARENT ordinary players.
Can tell you that we used to tag Simpson when we played Carlton in recent years. Carazzo has killed us in the past.
Simpson wasnt tagged the other night.
Both players are highly regarded by the opposition clubs, except for Richmond it seems

[Tigermonk]

was going to say Jack

Ramps you got a funny outlook on ordinary players

Carrazzo & Simpson are top line players.
Its because Carlton who have had idiots that like to have the limelight on them all the time like Fevola that let other players go under the radar
The media frenzy on Judd & Stevens  has given no room for other players to get write ups
Carlton have some very good runners in there side who get the ball very often if not more often than Judd
Carrazzo is a ball magnet.

Our players have never been pushed hard enough in training, just look at the lack of muscles on our twigs
you will get nothing out of pushing cars & kicking into bins  you need to be trained past the point of vomit & learn to cope at that level
Too many passengers at Tigerland & too many individuals 

[Owl]

Our players are going to be fine, they are trying to implement a new style of play that challenges your faith a bit.  Everyone has to be on the same page.  Things can turn quickly as it comes together.  It will take some games but look how fast some of the new guys have picked up already from playing out in the boonies and now they are out on the MCG.  They have come a long way fast, that in it self is amazing.  A lot of us want instant success and secretly hoped we would nail those bastards the other night but ..fact is we are going to have to give the new coaching team and the players time to get it all together.  The only way is up.  Just have to manage our expectations and enjoy the player development a bit, success will be all the sweeter when it starts coming though.

[Tigermonk]

Our players are going to be fine, they are trying to implement a new style of play that challenges your faith a bit.  Everyone has to be on the same page.  Things can turn quickly as it comes together.  It will take some games but look how fast some of the new guys have picked up already from playing out in the boonies and now they are out on the MCG.  They have come a long way fast, that in it self is amazing.  A lot of us want instant success and secretly hoped we would nail those bastards the other night but ..fact is we are going to have to give the new coaching team and the players time to get it all together.  The only way is up.  Just have to manage our expectations and enjoy the player development a bit, success will be all the sweeter when it starts coming though.

lol instant success no, but we are suffering supporters who have been given them exact lines for 30 years. But l like all your points & its a good post to younger supporters

[TigerTimeII]

ffs cant ppl settle down
its gonna take hardwick a goo 6 to 12 weeks to get this team playing a way he wants and to settle the line up as he wants
we are a team rebuilding and transforming, ffs we wont be premiers overnite , just sit back and enjoy  the development, 7-8 yrs ago geelong went through this look at them now

[Owl]

Our players are going to be fine, they are trying to implement a new style of play that challenges your faith a bit.  Everyone has to be on the same page.  Things can turn quickly as it comes together.  It will take some games but look how fast some of the new guys have picked up already from playing out in the boonies and now they are out on the MCG.  They have come a long way fast, that in it self is amazing.  A lot of us want instant success and secretly hoped we would nail those bastards the other night but ..fact is we are going to have to give the new coaching team and the players time to get it all together.  The only way is up.  Just have to manage our expectations and enjoy the player development a bit, success will be all the sweeter when it starts coming though.

lol instant success no, but we are suffering supporters who have been given them exact lines for 30 years. But l like all your points & its a good post to younger supporters

Ill admit, I was secretly hoping we were a bit more advanced than we were letting on in the preseason.  The coached warned us it was gonna be ugly for a while.  Yeah it has been a long while between champagnes, so we will have to stick to the witches pee for now lol.

[Smokey]

Our players are going to be fine, they are trying to implement a new style of play that challenges your faith a bit.  Everyone has to be on the same page.  Things can turn quickly as it comes together.  It will take some games but look how fast some of the new guys have picked up already from playing out in the boonies and now they are out on the MCG.  They have come a long way fast, that in it self is amazing.  A lot of us want instant success and secretly hoped we would nail those bastards the other night but ..fact is we are going to have to give the new coaching team and the players time to get it all together.  The only way is up.  Just have to manage our expectations and enjoy the player development a bit, success will be all the sweeter when it starts coming though.

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[JVT]

Our players are going to be fine, they are trying to implement a new style of play that challenges your faith a bit.  Everyone has to be on the same page.  Things can turn quickly as it comes together.  It will take some games but look how fast some of the new guys have picked up already from playing out in the boonies and now they are out on the MCG.  They have come a long way fast, that in it self is amazing.  A lot of us want instant success and secretly hoped we would nail those bastards the other night but ..fact is we are going to have to give the new coaching team and the players time to get it all together.  The only way is up.  Just have to manage our expectations and enjoy the player development a bit, success will be all the sweeter when it starts coming though.

ffs cant ppl settle down
its gonna take hardwick a goo 6 to 12 weeks to get this team playing a way he wants and to settle the line up as he wants
we are a team rebuilding and transforming, ffs we wont be premiers overnite , just sit back and enjoy  the development, 7-8 yrs ago geelong went through this look at them now

Great posts! 

[tony_montana]

All clubs have what I would consider to be average players or what the great jack dyer used to say good ordinary players.

R1 we play carlton minus judd and again a couple of what I consider to be good ordinary players once again took us to the cleaners- carazzo, simpson, betts just to name three - even o'hailpin did ok but carazzo and simpson did some serious damage imho.

how come average players at other clubs always seem to take us to  the cleaners, how come over time they seem to improve whilst our "supposed good ordinary players stay at the same level or go backwards an how come some of our supposed better players like newman are way behind the likes of carazzo et al in terms of playing ability. our average players always stay ordinary and its a big problem imho. anyone have adecent answer.

Its all about gameplan and structure. Collingwood hawthorn and stkilda are prob the best example of having very strong structures in place which enable players with deficiencies to play roles that minimise the risk of being exposed on these flaws, alternatively we've barely had any decent structures in place which allows for our less talented players to find themselves in positions where their flaws get exposed time and time again(through manipulation of matchups/setups from opposition coaches). Hopefully hardwick brings some strong structures from the hawks which will lessen the negative impact our flawed players have on our side. Won't be able to tell if this is the case for a fair while yet

[blaisee]

Have to say Carrazzo isnt a top liner, not even close. The only reason why he is allowed to run around on his own and collect 40 possessions is because he turns it over worse than Tuck. Infact come to think of it Tuck and Carrazzo are not too dissimilar, neither would get a game in a top line team.

[jackstar is back again]

Have to say Carrazzo isnt a top liner, not even close. The only reason why he is allowed to run around on his own and collect 40 possessions is because he turns it over worse than Tuck. Infact come to think of it Tuck and Carrazzo are not too dissimilar, neither would get a game in a top line team.

What drugs you on

[Tigermonk]

Have to say Carrazzo isnt a top liner, not even close. The only reason why he is allowed to run around on his own and collect 40 possessions is because he turns it over worse than Tuck. Infact come to think of it Tuck and Carrazzo are not too dissimilar, neither would get a game in a top line team.

Blaisee you are surely on drugs 

[wayne]

Have to say Carrazzo isnt a top liner, not even close. The only reason why he is allowed to run around on his own and collect 40 possessions is because he turns it over worse than Tuck. Infact come to think of it Tuck and Carrazzo are not too dissimilar, neither would get a game in a top line team.

I agree Blaisee.

He got away with it against us because he could kick his helicopter punts into space and they didn't look that bad. Get him pin pointing passes and he comes unstuck.