Tanking verses Belief, Structure and Faith?

[Penelope]

Tanking v B.S.F

Tanking ... B.S.F is already at Richmond!

The past two weeks have proven to me that we need Quality.

108 Point Loss v Geelong (R6)

82 Point Loss v Collingwood (R17)

72 Point Loss v Western (R2)

Five 50-60 Point Losses v Carlton, Sydeny, Melbourne, Adelaide & North Melbourne.

Eight of 12 Losses have been smashings.

That tells me that we have too many players that are not up to it.

I am sick of getting smashed!

So if we are going to clean out our list ... TANK!

Do not forget!

Our season was over after Round 9!

ZERO AND NINE!

Winning matches now is a waste.

Round 8 to Round 15 should of told every Richmond supporter WE CAN PLAY!

However, we have to many holes to fill ... so lets fill them with the best 17/18 year olds we can get!

Collins, Connors, Riewoldt last year had question marks against them.

This year, as of today, they will be apart of our 11th Premiership!

So we have found some keepers!

How are we meant to find players if we do not draft the best talent out there?

Right now, it looks like we have found a player in Astbury.

Nason? Possibly?

Griffiths? Possibly?

Martin ... so no more!

Four first year players are certain to be in our 11th Premiership!

So, seven players from this years list will be in our 11th Premiership!

TANK TANK TANK TANK TANK!

It is not about 2010 or 2011.

2012 and beyond!

Do not be fooled!

Pick 4 is better then Pick 6!

You would always take the best Pick!

Do not care who went at this pick and that pick.

Ask yourself, would you take $100 (Pick 4) or $50 (Pick 6) for free?

 

As tanking is cheating and you are hell bent on the club doing this, is it fair to assume that you yourself are a cheat and not someone to be trusted in any dealings?

[Go Richo 12]

I'm reluctant to say it, but Infamy is regularly running rings around a lot of you guys because he uses solid argument backed up with proper examples. There is no substitute for these methods. Research + common sense + logic + reasoned argument   >   bluster + illogical statements + myth + guess work

Excuse me? 

My post stated that 10 of the hawks premiership side was drafted post 2004 of which 7 came from a "plethora" of early draft picks which then enabled them to get their list structures right quickly which in turn enabled them to draft mature players like Guerra, Dew & Gilham. Now I don't know about you and infamy but 10 players is a pretty significant contribution to a premiership. Inf states they werent the reason the other 12 established players were and then you tell us he's running rings around us with facts? lol give me a break

I'm not arguing that there were plenty of players from those drafts playing in the grand final team. My argument is that it wasn't these players that won them the match. Roughead, Franklin, Rioli & Renouf were amongst the lowest possession winners on the ground.

Ellis & Lewis were the best of the young bunch, but it was Sewell (24yo), Hodge(24), Osborne(26), Crawford(34), Guerra(26), Dew(29), Bateman(27), Brown(25), Williams(25), Ladson(24), Gilham(24) & Mitchell(25) that were the core of that side and the good performers on the day. None of those players were obtained by tanking. Even Lewis who was very good in the grand final was obtained by trading, not tanking, it was only Ellis of the well performed players in the grand final that was obtained by tanking.

In the end though, it was Geelong who lost that match, Hawthorn were the Steven Bradbury of the 2008 Grand Final.

I agree with this post in part but let's not underestimate the value of those players when it comes to getting them there in the first place!

[Infamy]

I'm reluctant to say it, but Infamy is regularly running rings around a lot of you guys because he uses solid argument backed up with proper examples. There is no substitute for these methods. Research + common sense + logic + reasoned argument   >   bluster + illogical statements + myth + guess work

Excuse me? 

My post stated that 10 of the hawks premiership side was drafted post 2004 of which 7 came from a "plethora" of early draft picks which then enabled them to get their list structures right quickly which in turn enabled them to draft mature players like Guerra, Dew & Gilham. Now I don't know about you and infamy but 10 players is a pretty significant contribution to a premiership. Inf states they werent the reason the other 12 established players were and then you tell us he's running rings around us with facts? lol give me a break

I'm not arguing that there were plenty of players from those drafts playing in the grand final team. My argument is that it wasn't these players that won them the match. Roughead, Franklin, Rioli & Renouf were amongst the lowest possession winners on the ground.

Ellis & Lewis were the best of the young bunch, but it was Sewell (24yo), Hodge(24), Osborne(26), Crawford(34), Guerra(26), Dew(29), Bateman(27), Brown(25), Williams(25), Ladson(24), Gilham(24) & Mitchell(25) that were the core of that side and the good performers on the day. None of those players were obtained by tanking. Even Lewis who was very good in the grand final was obtained by trading, not tanking, it was only Ellis of the well performed players in the grand final that was obtained by tanking.

In the end though, it was Geelong who lost that match, Hawthorn were the Steven Bradbury of the 2008 Grand Final.

I agree with this post in part but let's not underestimate the value of those players when it comes to getting them there in the first place!

Maybe so, however it was that senior core of players doing the bulk of the work that allowed those youngsters to walk into the side and shine so quickly.
We on the other hand needed our youngsters to come into the side and be the core, very different

[Go Richo 12]

Yeah thats true also!

[Ramps]

Tanking v B.S.F

Tanking ... B.S.F is already at Richmond!

The past two weeks have proven to me that we need Quality.

108 Point Loss v Geelong (R6)

82 Point Loss v Collingwood (R17)

72 Point Loss v Western (R2)

Five 50-60 Point Losses v Carlton, Sydeny, Melbourne, Adelaide & North Melbourne.

Eight of 12 Losses have been smashings.

That tells me that we have too many players that are not up to it.

I am sick of getting smashed!

So if we are going to clean out our list ... TANK!

Do not forget!

Our season was over after Round 9!

ZERO AND NINE!

Winning matches now is a waste.

Round 8 to Round 15 should of told every Richmond supporter WE CAN PLAY!

However, we have to many holes to fill ... so lets fill them with the best 17/18 year olds we can get!

Collins, Connors, Riewoldt last year had question marks against them.

This year, as of today, they will be apart of our 11th Premiership!

So we have found some keepers!

How are we meant to find players if we do not draft the best talent out there?

Right now, it looks like we have found a player in Astbury.

Nason? Possibly?

Griffiths? Possibly?

Martin ... so no more!

Four first year players are certain to be in our 11th Premiership!

So, seven players from this years list will be in our 11th Premiership!

TANK TANK TANK TANK TANK!

It is not about 2010 or 2011.

2012 and beyond!

Do not be fooled!

Pick 4 is better then Pick 6!

You would always take the best Pick!

Do not care who went at this pick and that pick.

Ask yourself, would you take $100 (Pick 4) or $50 (Pick 6) for free?

 

As tanking is cheating and you are hell bent on the club doing this, is it fair to assume that you yourself are a cheat and not someone to be trusted in any dealings?

Al are you a tool or are you just pretending to be a tool? If you're pretending you're doing a bloody fine acting job 

[Penelope]

Nah, just practicing so I can upgrade from internet nuffer.

[torch]

cheating???

ROFL!

 

[mightytiges]

Its all rubbish anyway unless everyone does the Ramps Multiwave Recruitment you cant expect any club to succeed. How many times do I need to say it "Its all the way with Multiwave"  

Can you refresh our memories on the meaning of "multiwave", please?
Is that something you learnt from Jade Rawlings?

whose jade rawlings?  

LOL @ Ramps' trademark "multiwave recruiting"   

First wave: Lids, Cotch, Jack and the pre-2009 rest
Second wave: Martin, Astbury, Griffs, .... plus whoever we draft this year

Combined they should give us our core for the next decade.

[Judge Roughneck]

Its all rubbish anyway unless everyone does the Ramps Multiwave Recruitment you cant expect any club to succeed. How many times do I need to say it "Its all the way with Multiwave"  

Can you refresh our memories on the meaning of "multiwave", please?
Is that something you learnt from Jade Rawlings?

whose jade rawlings?  

LOL @ Ramps' trademark "multiwave recruiting"   

First wave: Lids, Cotch, Jack and the pre-2009 rest
Second wave: Martin, Astbury, Griffs, .... plus whoever we draft this year

Combined they should give us our core for the next decade.

wave #1:
2003 - Foley, Jackson, Tck

wave #2:
04-08

wave#3:
hardwick / aston martin

[one-eyed]

Patrick Smith in today's Australian...

"Sides such as Melbourne, Richmond and Carlton have manipulated their teams in the latter part of seasons gone to ensure they could qualify for the best possible selections at the draft table. The more losses, the better the picks."

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/sport/tanking-flourishes-at-the-top-and-bottom-of-the-ladder/story-e6frg7mf-1225908598878


When did we tank?  ???

[Ramps]

Really good draft this year. Even if we win games and lose out on say pick 4 and we end up with say pick 6 or even pick 8 you can still end up with a  good kid with good skills ie who can fill a position where we have a need. Blayne Wilson from WA etc etc. Even down the draft order you may be able to get some decent kids like Kiefer Yu etc etc. I'd like us to win some more games if we can.

People should jot down this name KIEFER YU. I hear RFC keen on this kid and have been for a fair while. Never seen him play myself but rumours have been around for months and as I posted this months ago. Outside runner from what I know with very handy skill set.

[Owl]

fatprick smith is at it again....didnt take him long to revert

[WA Tiger]

Patrick Smith in today's Australian...

"Sides such as Melbourne, Richmond and Carlton have manipulated their teams in the latter part of seasons gone to ensure they could qualify for the best possible selections at the draft table. The more losses, the better the picks."

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/sport/tanking-flourishes-at-the-top-and-bottom-of-the-ladder/story-e6frg7mf-1225908598878


When did we tank?  ???

Stupid call there Smith you fool, the games I saw... we were  not tanking!!!

[one-eyed]

Tanks for the premiership
Mark Stevens
Herald Sun
October 04, 2010

DALE Thomas was Collingwood’s best in one Grand Final. Scott Pendelbury won the “Normie” in the next.

What to do those two blokes have in common?

They were both selected at the pointy end of the draft in 2005. Top five, in fact.

Thomas went at No.2 and Pendlebury at No.5.

How the hell did the Magpies snare both?

In case you’ve forgotten, the Pies embarked on some crafty list management.

You could call it tanking, actually.

In that season, only five years ago, the Pies lost 10 of their last 11 (and their final eight) to finish on five wins.

By sneaking in under the five-and-a-half win threshold, they gained a priority pick, which went on Thomas. Once the actual draft started, they gleefully took Pendelbury at No.5.

These two are the future of the club for at least the next eight to 10 years.

Has there ever been a better advert for playing kids (tanking) and loading up for a future assault on a flag?

Promising youngsters such as Heath Shaw, Harry O'Brien and Sean Rusling were rewarded with games at the time.

But many other debutants, including Ben Davies, Chris Egan, David Fanning, Brent Hall and Adam Iacobucci sank quickly from sight after playing their role in that bizarre season.

The Pies did what they had to to. Plain and simple.

Just like Melbourne did what it had to do last year, to pick up Tom Scully and Jack Trengove. You just can’t underestimate the importance of picking up two gun midfielders so early on.

We are not taking anything away from the overall recruiting of Derek Hine. The guy looks a genius now.

But to put it simply, it took the Pies five years to cash in to cash in on a big tank.

Using that as a measure, expect Dean Bailey to be a premiership coach in 2014.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/tanks-for-the-premiership/story-e6frf9jf-1225933781665

[Stripes]

But doesn't tanking destroy a clubs culture?  ???