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Re: Tanking verses Belief, Structure and Faith?
« Reply #210 on: July 24, 2011, 05:19:23 PM »
This belongs in a different thread, but I agree RR the AFL is in denial and the draft system needs to change to provide incentive for bottom sides to win. A NBA-style lottery for the bottom half of the ladder would help.

However, while the current system is in place, winning meaningless games against other bottom sides late in the season proves nothing. Moreso, if you have the chance to secure a bonus priority pick at or near the top end of the draft then any club which then misses out on one by just 1-2 wins is stupid.

In 2009 we were on just 2 wins when Wallace was sacked midway through the season. Under Rawlings we then beat Essendon by just 5 pts, a tanking Melbourne by a kick after the siren and drew with North when we were a goal down with a minute to play. So for a couple of goals extra we cost ourselves having a 10 year player of the quality of a Nathan Fyfe or even a Ryan Bastinac. Move forward to 2010 and we have just one win by the midpoint and we come from 33 down to beat Sydney by 3 points and scrape home against an inaccurate Adelaide who should have put us away by half-time. Again two narrow meaningless wins has cost us another 10 year player such as a Heppel or Lynch (Suns' young gun FF) or even a Andrew Gaff who will push his way into a fast improving Eagles line-up. Call it "cheating" all you want but that's how you need to play the off-field recruiting game because that's how the smart clubs play it. Sure we can stick to sitting on our high moral pedestal while we remain in the bottom 4 for 10 years and counting while other clubs fall down and then rise right back past us to the top of the ladder  :banghead. Sorry I prefer instead to build a strong classy list as quickly as possible within the rules allowed just as most other clubs do.  

ps. Just one stat for everyone to think about - if you just take the first half of the past 5 seasons, we have won a measely 10 wins from 55 matches  :help. That's on average just 2 wins by the season midpoint for the past 5 years straight. Our year has been over within the first two months if not the first month in each of those 5 years. Any club with that pitiful record needs additional help in gaining quality players to improve its onfield performance and the AFL actually has a system already in place if a club is smart to provide extra early-ish picks for clubs that hardly win a game year after year - it's called priority picks. Too bad that after the past 5 years of pain and crap we have NO priority picks to show for it when we had the chance to gain them ::). Compare that to the Eagles who just 4 years after winning a flag tanked to gain a priority pick which enabled then to add Darling. Our supporters like to put blame on the coach and/or the players but it is those higher up the chain that are at fault. Not a braincell between them when it comes to understanding how to take full advantage of the draft system  :banghead. That's not including either picking up recycled duds like Thomson, Hislop, Miller  under Cameron's watch and feeding supporters a whole lot of bulldust as to why they'll be good recruits   ::). As a club we only have ourselves to blame for continually doing things half-hearted and keeping us in mediocrity. Right now I must admit I have little confidence in the leadership of the Club as far as those connected with the footy dept  :-\.

heppel was taken after conca, could have had him anyway

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Re: Tanking verses Belief, Structure and Faith?
« Reply #211 on: July 26, 2011, 10:20:13 PM »
Keep the tambling pick or use this draft? 

Heppel pee poor vs mmurphy. Conca would have shown more kahonas

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Re: Tanking verses Belief, Structure and Faith?
« Reply #212 on: July 27, 2011, 08:42:20 AM »
Keep the tambling pick or use this draft? 


I hope the club are inclined to hang onto it for another year. This year is meant to be a shallow draft. Next year is meant to be a super draft, and we have to get amongst it as much as we can (at least once GWS is finished raping it.)

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Re: Tanking verses Belief, Structure and Faith?
« Reply #213 on: July 27, 2011, 08:48:02 AM »
We can't use the Tambling pick this year.

We have to inform the AFL that we are using it before the start of the season.

I am not sure whether we can trade it this season though??
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Re: Tanking verses Belief, Structure and Faith?
« Reply #214 on: July 27, 2011, 08:48:48 AM »
Keep the tambling pick or use this draft? 


I hope the club are inclined to hang onto it for another year. This year is meant to be a shallow draft. Next year is meant to be a super draft, and we have to get amongst it as much as we can (at least once GWS is finished raping it.)

I believe they have already said they wont be using it this year

Had to nominate to the AFL back in May I think it was whether they intended to use it and they didn't

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Re: Tanking verses Belief, Structure and Faith?
« Reply #215 on: July 27, 2011, 03:57:19 PM »
Well I still don't believe in tanking however as I have mentioned before I think we are 2-3 more drafts away from establishing a winning team....So for this year I hope we finish as low as the losses permit us to finish....
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Re: Tanking verses Belief, Structure and Faith?
« Reply #216 on: July 27, 2011, 04:41:13 PM »
Keep the tambling pick or use this draft? 


I hope the club are inclined to hang onto it for another year. This year is meant to be a shallow draft. Next year is meant to be a super draft, and we have to get amongst it as much as we can (at least once GWS is finished raping it.)

I believe they have already said they wont be using it this year

Had to nominate to the AFL back in May I think it was whether they intended to use it and they didn't



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Re: Tanking verses Belief, Structure and Faith?
« Reply #217 on: July 27, 2011, 10:03:14 PM »
Well I still don't believe in tanking however as I have mentioned before I think we are 2-3 more drafts away from establishing a winning team....So for this year I hope we finish as low as the losses permit us to finish....

I think we will finish in exactly the position the losses permit us to finish WAT.   ;D

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Re: Tanking verses Belief, Structure and Faith?
« Reply #218 on: July 27, 2011, 10:23:04 PM »
TANK!

Their is NO Structure and the players are loosing Belief and Faith in Mr Hardwick!

Play the VFL standard players such as Edwards, Jackson, Farmer ...

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Re: Tanking verses Belief, Structure and Faith?
« Reply #219 on: July 27, 2011, 10:45:17 PM »
Martin isn't injured.
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Re: Tanking verses Belief, Structure and Faith?
« Reply #220 on: July 27, 2011, 11:51:10 PM »
Their is NO Structure and the players are loosing Belief and Faith in Mr Hardwick!

Every player that has uttered a word in the media this year have said they all have belief in the game plan and faith in Hardwick you wet breadstick

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Re: Tanking verses Belief, Structure and Faith?
« Reply #221 on: July 28, 2011, 12:38:39 AM »
Well I still don't believe in tanking however as I have mentioned before I think we are 2-3 more drafts away from establishing a winning team....So for this year I hope we finish as low as the losses permit us to finish....

I think we will finish in exactly the position the losses permit us to finish WAT.   ;D

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Re: Tanking verses Belief, Structure and Faith?
« Reply #222 on: July 28, 2011, 06:59:39 AM »
Well I still don't believe in tanking however as I have mentioned before I think we are 2-3 more drafts away from establishing a winning team....So for this year I hope we finish as low as the losses permit us to finish....

I think we will finish in exactly the position the losses permit us to finish WAT.   ;D

And that is certainly not lost on me  :thumbsup
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Re: Tanking verses Belief, Structure and Faith?
« Reply #223 on: July 28, 2011, 06:03:51 PM »
we are not in a position to worry about tanking we will lose all our remaining games regardless. seems the only lower position that may become available is if the crows now put on a spurt.

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Re: Tanking verses Belief, Structure and Faith?
« Reply #224 on: August 01, 2011, 06:15:54 PM »
Dean Bailey just dropped a bomb - admitted he did the right thing by melbourne to gain the best draft picks by playing players out of position in his first years..

Tanking exists..  Of course the AFL's Adrian Anderson has spoken to Dean and has clarified that no investigation is required  :lol