Channel Seven to air Ben Cousins documentary - Aug 25-26

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and will further add that if Kevin didnt meet with Ben and his Dad, ben wouldnt have come to Punt Rd.
as ben wouldnt have had the nerve or changed his attitude to try again, as kevin explained on the Doco.

[Ramps]

we've come out of this looking a million bucks as a club thats all that counts - hopefully cousins stays healthy in the future.

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and hopefully he plays sunday and we win

[FNM]

Neil Twitchell is asking whether Ben should be deregistered and not allowed to play his last game, after admitting he shaved down for that drug test because he wasn't confident he would pass
What a bitter and twisted, nasty person! 

[cub]

Neil Twitchell is asking whether Ben should be deregistered and not allowed to play his last game, after admitting he shaved down for that drug test because he wasn't confident he would pass
What a bitter and twisted, nasty person! 

Yep, some peole are pretty sad really! More a reflection of them and thier lives.

On the doco, pretty stock standard stuff although pretty amazing how the Eagles kept it all under the carpet.
Had to laugh at Ben in his tinys dancing around grabbing his trogger, would of had some fun times. And no! in the end it is not worth it (Not the women!!!), but still would have been fun all the same.

[TigerLand]

Sorry Popelord but your "facts" are completely wrong
A commonly accepted scale of addiction for recreational substances has those more addictive than Alcohol as Ice, Heroin, Cocaine, Tobacco and then prescription Barbituates if you consider them recreational. Other scales have heroin and cocaine listed lower than alcohol but crack higher. Ecstacy on every scale is less addictive by 50-75% over alcohol, but also considered less harmful to your body.
The only PHYSICALLY addictive substances are Heroin, Alcohol, Tobacco & some prescription meds, everything else is psychological addiction
That's only the start of how wrong you are, seriously there's barely one correct comment in those posts


Daniel, explain how Portugal's decriminalisation of drugs has resulted in a drop of use in adults
You say I'm out of my league, but I can assure you I know far more on this topic than you.

Agree that you're right in terms of physical and physiological addiction. But the measure of psychological and physical addictions is very hard to measure up against each other. To say alcohol is more addictive is impossible to say, as it is to say a party drug is.

Legalising substance centres for addicts has its positives as it gives a free and safe use for addicts that are trying to kick the habit. The same way smokers take Nicotine patches to take a safe dose of nicotine and gradually use less over time to kick the habit.

These centres wont stop the biggest problem of drug use which is the use of party drugs and first use cases. Drug centres on help the addicted, it doesn't stop the experimentation of drugs and the use of drugs to have a high cheap time and a party, club or event.

Does that make sense?

[TigerLand]

Seven would have wanted Benny Gale as he could kill two birds with one stone - CEO of the RFC and ex-head of the AFLPA.

More hard hitting tonight as far as what Cuz put his family through. Trying to leave the family home at 3am in search of drugs almost coming to blows and then dumping his father off at a bus shelter in his pyjamas midwinter showed how desperate an addict he had become. Ben is one lucky boy to have a dad and family as strong to cope with crap like that.

Selfishly from a Richmond perspective the Club has come out of this smelling like roses. Even Bryan Cousins admitted tonight he would've feared for Ben if he wasn't re-drafted back into football. Interesting that much of the past two years with us was only a small part at the end. No footage of the camera in the rooms before the NAB Cup game against Collingwood last year which caused a bit of fuss at the time. Hutchy on Nine and Mike on Seven still claiming there was more to Cuz ending up in hospital six weeks ago although Benny Gale told Mike the Club had nothing to doubt Ben's version.

During the ads I clicked over to the footy show and Sam was going off about Ben taking us all for a ride and he's claiming an addiction to make money. It might be wise to watch both parts of the doco before making an ignorant dill of yourself Sammy.

After seeing the doco tonight you can see Cuz had to retire. The AFL wouldn't be happy with him shaving out of fear of a possible positive test that tests history as far back as 3 months nor Ben saying the AFL were only interested in keeping up appearances (Ben coming across as "cured") when he applied to re-register with the AFL. Benny doesn't have to worry about "please explain" letters after Sunday. Saves the Club from the circus following the doco as well.

agree.
there was more to the hosiptal visit 6 weeks ago. Mike is on the right track there
The doco didnt hide that there could be relaspes nor did they touch on the pre season visit to the Epworth either.
good on Ben, great doco
Lets hope the tiges win and he plays on sunday

Jack the only way there could be more to the Epworth incident is if Ben was still able to fake and bypass the 3 tests a week from the AFL?

[TigerLand]

well watch the Doco again, and see what Ben said about kevin and then what Kevin said about Ben going to melb and not being so bold.
Rewind the tape, its all there
kevin organised the meeting at the RFC after he Ben, and his dad had dinner in perth

Sheeds had all to gain but no responsibility if it turned out bad
Terry did!

Read David Kings article today, club didnt want to take him.
King has a decent whack at the tanned one, claiming it was the player group who wanted the Cuz and forced the issue

I have a feeling this maybe right, however Cameron had more to do with it than it seemed.

[TigerLand]

well watch the Doco again, and see what Ben said about kevin and then what Kevin said about Ben going to melb and not being so bold.
Rewind the tape, its all there
kevin organised the meeting at the RFC after he Ben, and his dad had dinner in perth

Sheeds had all to gain but no responsibility if it turned out bad
Terry did!

Read David Kings article today, club didnt want to take him.
King has a decent whack at the tanned one, claiming it was the player group who wanted the Cuz and forced the issue

So the players had the final say did they?
I think not!  Terry still had to say yes or don't they count the coach's opinion?
Look at the documentary again yourself, Terry said that he for one couldn't live with the consequences had they not drafted him if Ben had gone off the rails.
Unlike you, Terry has some compassion!

FNM,

Wallace had no power over drafting anymore, that's why Cameron was enlisted and would over sea the list management at the time.

Wallace if he agreed or not with drafting Cousins couldn't have made the call.

[jackstar is back again]

Seven would have wanted Benny Gale as he could kill two birds with one stone - CEO of the RFC and ex-head of the AFLPA.

More hard hitting tonight as far as what Cuz put his family through. Trying to leave the family home at 3am in search of drugs almost coming to blows and then dumping his father off at a bus shelter in his pyjamas midwinter showed how desperate an addict he had become. Ben is one lucky boy to have a dad and family as strong to cope with crap like that.

Selfishly from a Richmond perspective the Club has come out of this smelling like roses. Even Bryan Cousins admitted tonight he would've feared for Ben if he wasn't re-drafted back into football. Interesting that much of the past two years with us was only a small part at the end. No footage of the camera in the rooms before the NAB Cup game against Collingwood last year which caused a bit of fuss at the time. Hutchy on Nine and Mike on Seven still claiming there was more to Cuz ending up in hospital six weeks ago although Benny Gale told Mike the Club had nothing to doubt Ben's version.

During the ads I clicked over to the footy show and Sam was going off about Ben taking us all for a ride and he's claiming an addiction to make money. It might be wise to watch both parts of the doco before making an ignorant dill of yourself Sammy.

After seeing the doco tonight you can see Cuz had to retire. The AFL wouldn't be happy with him shaving out of fear of a possible positive test that tests history as far back as 3 months nor Ben saying the AFL were only interested in keeping up appearances (Ben coming across as "cured") when he applied to re-register with the AFL. Benny doesn't have to worry about "please explain" letters after Sunday. Saves the Club from the circus following the doco as well.

agree.
there was more to the hosiptal visit 6 weeks ago. Mike is on the right track there
The doco didnt hide that there could be relaspes nor did they touch on the pre season visit to the Epworth either.
good on Ben, great doco
Lets hope the tiges win and he plays on sunday

Jack the only way there could be more to the Epworth incident is if Ben was still able to fake and bypass the 3 tests a week from the AFL?

he doesnt necessary get tested each week, its at random

[TigerLand]

Seven would have wanted Benny Gale as he could kill two birds with one stone - CEO of the RFC and ex-head of the AFLPA.

More hard hitting tonight as far as what Cuz put his family through. Trying to leave the family home at 3am in search of drugs almost coming to blows and then dumping his father off at a bus shelter in his pyjamas midwinter showed how desperate an addict he had become. Ben is one lucky boy to have a dad and family as strong to cope with crap like that.

Selfishly from a Richmond perspective the Club has come out of this smelling like roses. Even Bryan Cousins admitted tonight he would've feared for Ben if he wasn't re-drafted back into football. Interesting that much of the past two years with us was only a small part at the end. No footage of the camera in the rooms before the NAB Cup game against Collingwood last year which caused a bit of fuss at the time. Hutchy on Nine and Mike on Seven still claiming there was more to Cuz ending up in hospital six weeks ago although Benny Gale told Mike the Club had nothing to doubt Ben's version.

During the ads I clicked over to the footy show and Sam was going off about Ben taking us all for a ride and he's claiming an addiction to make money. It might be wise to watch both parts of the doco before making an ignorant dill of yourself Sammy.

After seeing the doco tonight you can see Cuz had to retire. The AFL wouldn't be happy with him shaving out of fear of a possible positive test that tests history as far back as 3 months nor Ben saying the AFL were only interested in keeping up appearances (Ben coming across as "cured") when he applied to re-register with the AFL. Benny doesn't have to worry about "please explain" letters after Sunday. Saves the Club from the circus following the doco as well.

agree.
there was more to the hosiptal visit 6 weeks ago. Mike is on the right track there
The doco didnt hide that there could be relaspes nor did they touch on the pre season visit to the Epworth either.
good on Ben, great doco
Lets hope the tiges win and he plays on sunday

Jack the only way there could be more to the Epworth incident is if Ben was still able to fake and bypass the 3 tests a week from the AFL?

he doesnt necessary get tested each week, its at random

As my knowledge sees it he had to be tested 3 times a week under AFL stipulations of his re-registering to the AFL?

It was this constant drug testing that's been raised as a part of the help for Ben to stay clean and now without football he wont have the 3 times a week testing to keep him in check?

[TigerLand]

Look WP, pointless arguing with you, could tell you something but wont.

Gee wiz you forgot one of these 

And BTW you'd be surprised at who I've spoken to about this which I suppose means I could tell you something 

I watched the doco - all of it

I'll repeat it for the final time!

I am not disputing that one K Sheey instigated contact with one B. Cousins and the RFC... the doco proved that.. I have agreed with that from day 1

However, You have said form day 1 that one K Sheedy and K Sheedy alone got one B Cousins to the RFC, Sheedy was the only reason that Cousins is at the RFC- that's what you've been sprouting for 18+ months except for the last 2 days where you've have changed your view to he instigated it

That is absolute CRAP not a doubt in my mind that Sheedy did not get Cousins to the RFC all by himself and that's always been my argument....

Yes i said from day one this.
That K sheedy rang wallace on several occasions.
didnt return the calls.
He then rang Craig Cameron.
Kevin suggetsed to the RFC that they should talk to Ben after his initial meeting with ben and his dad.
the rest is history as shown on the doco with the interview with kevin.
Mind you Kevin did approach people on the board with his views at the time
get over it WP

Yeah Jack is right here.

Sheeds got the ball rolling and Cameron made the call. Probably thanks to Sheedy but I believe the groundswell Ben was creating coming to Richmond along with huge positive RFC fans responses the club drafted him from a business point of view and March ticked off on it.

The comments Terry uses "I just thought it was the moral thing to do to save his life" is just ridiculous seeing he had nothing to with it.

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I still cant believe Wallace said what he said on TV. Considering that most people know what happened. David King has whacked him big time.
Todays Herald sun tells the story of what actually happened with the players forcing the clubs hand after the club had said no. Wallace is a clown, no wonder he is now employed by Hutchy at Crocmedia

[Infamy]

As my knowledge sees it he had to be tested 3 times a week under AFL stipulations of his re-registering to the AFL?

It was this constant drug testing that's been raised as a part of the help for Ben to stay clean and now without football he wont have the 3 times a week testing to keep him in check?

Correct, and given amphetamines last in your system for about 48 hours before they can't be detected in urine, getting tested 3 times a week would make it impossible for him to pass if he'd taken drugs.

[WilliamPowell]

As my knowledge sees it he had to be tested 3 times a week under AFL stipulations of his re-registering to the AFL?

It was this constant drug testing that's been raised as a part of the help for Ben to stay clean and now without football he wont have the 3 times a week testing to keep him in check?

Absolutely correct Pope he has been tested 3 times a week since he came back - the days are random but the number of tests per week are the same

get over it WP

Get over what exactly?

You have an view and you believe it is right and anyone who questions or disagree with it needs to what? "get over it"

Newsfalsh for ya - we don't all have to agree with you.

I have a view based on what I have been told by people who I respect and trust not what I have read in newspapers or read on forums.

That view is different to yours and guess what I still believe what I have been told by the people that I have spoken to and for me that's all that matters.

So I don't think I need to get over anything