Brad Miller [merged]

[Dubstep Dookie]

hardwick short cuts

I wouldn't go as far as calling it a "short cut" as Miller was meant to be "back-up" on the rookie list. It's just a waste of a rookie list spot that should've been used on another kid or at least someone who potentially has a future on our list.

Depends how many games he gets ahead of a fit grif, post (et al)

'backup' could be Hardwickese for 'short cut'.

[Coach]

Just saw the game on replay. Couldn't get a sniff  It wouldn't have been easy playing as a forward last night though. Should have kicked two. Made a good lead and Connors stuffed up the kick and missed him by a fair bit...ball roles out and Collingwood get a free 

I'll wait and see how he goes when we've got a better side in and we're not playing a 20/20 style match 

[tony_montana]

He was a lone key forward for us last night
I expect better results when Riewoldt plays
(if he even gets promoted)

i hope not tbh - bc if hes playing alongside reiwoldt it means griff/post/vickery arent getting a run as the 2nd tall. Lets hope he stays down at coburg where he belongs "coaching" the young guys

[Smokey]

He was a lone key forward for us last night
I expect better results when Riewoldt plays
(if he even gets promoted)

i hope not tbh - bc if hes playing alongside reiwoldt it means griff/post/vickery arent getting a run as the 2nd tall. Lets hope he stays down at coburg where he belongs "coaching" the young guys

Agree TM.

[bojangles17]

listen neither Miller or TV did much but sheesh I heard with 5min to go v Collingwood we had 4 I50's...thats a tough night at the office for the forwards

[Smokey]

listen neither Miller or TV did much but sheesh I heard with 5min to go v Collingwood we had 4 I50's...thats a tough night at the office for the forwards

My opinion is not based on whether Miller will be any good - it's that if he plays it will mean something has gone wrong with the group of kids we are grooming as future KPF's and I don't want that scenario to happen.

[Infamy]

He was a lone key forward for us last night
I expect better results when Riewoldt plays
(if he even gets promoted)

i hope not tbh - bc if hes playing alongside reiwoldt it means griff/post/vickery arent getting a run as the 2nd tall. Lets hope he stays down at coburg where he belongs "coaching" the young guys

Agree TM.

Also agree. I just find it a bit strange how much flack he is getting for something that's not really his fault.
Pretty much any forward in the league would have struggled with the lack of I50s and how those we had were all long bombs into the forward line.

[gerkin greg]

Donate to the FTF and we'll be able to afford more assistant and development coaches instead of having to rookie list them 

[Fishfinger]

On the button.

[the claw]

He was a lone key forward for us last night
I expect better results when Riewoldt plays
(if he even gets promoted)

i hope not tbh - bc if hes playing alongside reiwoldt it means griff/post/vickery arent getting a run as the 2nd tall. Lets hope he stays down at coburg where he belongs "coaching" the young guys

would have thought it was pretty clear vickery is not ready for senior footy. griffiths is coming of shoulders and may not play early season. the post man may play as a pinch hitting ruckman.
unlike some i dont have a problem with young talls developing in the ressies especially when they show they arent really ready for the ones.

again i will ask it of supporters. what is better for say a bloke like griffiths. 6 or 8 weeks of roughly  20 possesion games with 2 or 3 goals thrown in at coburg .or 6 or 8 weeks at richmond scrapping for the odd touch.
people seem to think 1st and second yr talls are just going to waltz in and get senior games and its going to be good for development.
 it is not the way it works in most cases. for sure give em a few senior games here and there but let them develop where they probably belong for now.

[Fishfinger]

again i will ask it of supporters. what is better for say a bloke like griffiths. 6 or 8 weeks of roughly  20 possesion games with 2 or 3 goals thrown in at coburg .or 6 or 8 weeks at richmond scrapping for the odd touch.

Griffiths is a bad example. He did what he was in the side to do last season, to take his opponent away from Riewoldt's area so he was one out. He did a great job and the team results back that up.

Someone I know spoke to him and he said it was hard to stop himself from chasing possessions, under instruction.

[crackertiger]

Both Miller and Hislop will be a waste of space. Can't believe we rookied either!

[tony_montana]

He was a lone key forward for us last night
I expect better results when Riewoldt plays
(if he even gets promoted)

i hope not tbh - bc if hes playing alongside reiwoldt it means griff/post/vickery arent getting a run as the 2nd tall. Lets hope he stays down at coburg where he belongs "coaching" the young guys

would have thought it was pretty clear vickery is not ready for senior footy. griffiths is coming of shoulders and may not play early season. the post man may play as a pinch hitting ruckman.
unlike some i dont have a problem with young talls developing in the ressies especially when they show they arent really ready for the ones.

again i will ask it of supporters. what is better for say a bloke like griffiths. 6 or 8 weeks of roughly  20 possesion games with 2 or 3 goals thrown in at coburg .or 6 or 8 weeks at richmond scrapping for the odd touch.
people seem to think 1st and second yr talls are just going to waltz in and get senior games and its going to be good for development.
 it is not the way it works in most cases. for sure give em a few senior games here and there but let them develop where they probably belong for now.

some supporters still dont get it - its not called waltzing into the side, its called a development plan: give them blocks of 5-6 games in a row to get a taste then send them back to the burgers to work on the deficiencies that were exposed at the highest level. This is how you develop players at afl level. Post 5-6 weeks, Vickery 5-6 weeks , griff 5-6 weeks - thats almost a season right there - 5-6 games and 15 at the burgers working on weaknesses = development

[the claw]

again i will ask it of supporters. what is better for say a bloke like griffiths. 6 or 8 weeks of roughly  20 possesion games with 2 or 3 goals thrown in at coburg .or 6 or 8 weeks at richmond scrapping for the odd touch.

Griffiths is a bad example. He did what he was in the side to do last season, to take his opponent away from Riewoldt's area so he was one out. He did a great job and the team results back that up.

Someone I know spoke to him and he said it was hard to stop himself from chasing possessions, under instruction.

no i disagree griffiths is a perfect example.
he wasnt drafted as a decoy he was drafted to make an impact just like riewoldt. for the good of the team in the long term. we have to have more than just jack and a decoy.
griffiths job is to take marks  get it on the lead have a physical presence and kick goals. weeks on end of hardly touching the ball in games can only be bad for his development.
a damn good guide and building block to seniors would be griffiths actually playing well at the lower level before being thrown in the deep end.
if miller playing half a season means griffiths can grow as a player at coburg and actually develop or it allows him to actually dominate at the lower level and show hes ready so be it.

[the claw]

He was a lone key forward for us last night
I expect better results when Riewoldt plays
(if he even gets promoted)

i hope not tbh - bc if hes playing alongside reiwoldt it means griff/post/vickery arent getting a run as the 2nd tall. Lets hope he stays down at coburg where he belongs "coaching" the young guys

would have thought it was pretty clear vickery is not ready for senior footy. griffiths is coming of shoulders and may not play early season. the post man may play as a pinch hitting ruckman.
unlike some i dont have a problem with young talls developing in the ressies especially when they show they arent really ready for the ones.

again i will ask it of supporters. what is better for say a bloke like griffiths. 6 or 8 weeks of roughly  20 possesion games with 2 or 3 goals thrown in at coburg .or 6 or 8 weeks at richmond scrapping for the odd touch.
people seem to think 1st and second yr talls are just going to waltz in and get senior games and its going to be good for development.
 it is not the way it works in most cases. for sure give em a few senior games here and there but let them develop where they probably belong for now.

some supporters still dont get it - its not called waltzing into the side, its called a development plan: give them blocks of 5-6 games in a row to get a taste then send them back to the burgers to work on the deficiencies that were exposed at the highest level. This is how you develop players at afl level. Post 5-6 weeks, Vickery 5-6 weeks , griff 5-6 weeks - thats almost a season right there - 5-6 games and 15 at the burgers working on weaknesses = development

yep agree and have never said anything different.in fact its a popint i have labored on big time over the yrs. but at some stage those young guys have to show they deserve a game by getting a bit of it at coburg. there are stages where players development is better served actually having an impact at lower levels.
atm i would not be giving vickery a senior game until he shows enough at coburg. hes been given a real good go  blind freddy can see his development would be better served for now at coburg. hes miles away. thats not to say he cant be given a block of games later in the season.
imo griffiths is in the same boat. he got 5 games late last yr and hardly got a sniff.hes come off more shoulder problems it wont hurt one little bit for him to start in the twos this yr.after all hes still got another 4 yrs of developing to do.