Betting thread 2005

[LondonTiger]

Anyone interested in a betting thread in 2005? 

No need for you to put any money in.

Just highlight what people feel is a decent bet in 2005.

I will start with this

Post the PSD, these are the current odds for 2005 to win the Premiership, taken from www.betfair.com

Port - 4
St kilda - 5.3
Brisbane - 6.2
Geelong - 9.8
WCE - 12.5
Sydney - 18
Melbourne - 26
Collingwood - 26
Essendon - 30
Adelaide- 30
Fremantle - 48
Carlton - 80
Tigers - 85
Kangaroos - 90
Hawks- 100
WBulldogs- 130


And to make the eight

Port - 1.08
St kilda - 1.14
Brisbane - 1.16
Geelong - 1.28
WCE - 1.43
Sydney - 1.49
Melbourne - 1.64
Essendon - 1.74
Fremantle - 1.91
Collingwood - 1.93
Adelaide- 2.36
Kangaroos - 3.1
Tigers - 3.3
Carlton - 3.65
WBulldogs- 3.65
Hawks- 3.95


What do you think is good value?
     
(To explain this type of betting, Port to make the eight - Place a $1 bet and get back $1.08.  8% return - minus 5% of winnings commission - Overall return 7.4% - better than bank interest)

[Life goes on]

If the $1.43 WCE is still on offer to make the eight, please let me know
Not only will they make the eight but finish top four !

[LondonTiger]

 1.43 for the top 8 at the moment, and a massive 2.96 for the top 4.

[Bulluss]

I reckon Sydney isnt a bad bet at $18 for the flag.

They have been around the mark and may find enough to go close, especially if they get home finals.

Even the scum at 1.74 for the top 8 isnt too bad.

[Rodgerramjet]

I'll have a $1,000 on the saints for the flag and another $1,000 on the Blues for the 8.

[froars]

Pussies for the flag
Freo for the 8

London Tiger, question for ya.  How does Betfair work please with regards to horseracing?  Why is there a big stink at the moment about them coming into Australia which they're trying to do and from all accounts they'll be here soon.  But there's been much opposition from racing officials here at the moment.  Do they have bet types where you can bet on a horse to lose?  Is the industry suss in the UK?

[mightytiges]

I'd reckon their top 5 (Port, Saints, Brissy, Cats and WCE) is pretty much on the money. IMO they'll all make the eight. I agree with LGO and would go with WCE to make the top 4 at $2.96. Won their last 8 of 9 matches in 2004 to come home like a train.

I'd have Freo as a outsider from last year moving into the eight. Their forward and back lines are still suss but with the additions of Carr and Schofield alongside Haselby, Pavlich, Bell and co their midfield is up with the best. $1.91 is good odds for them.

The Pies are so far overpriced it's halirious. Maggie fans throwing their money away 

Bottom 4 (13th spot) for the Tiges is about right also.

Although I don't bet on the footy I would stick to betting the final 8 rather than the flag. The latter is too iffy looking from 9 months away.

[LondonTiger]

Pussies for the flag
Freo for the 8

London Tiger, question for ya.  How does Betfair work please with regards to horseracing?  Why is there a big stink at the moment about them coming into Australia which they're trying to do and from all accounts they'll be here soon.  But there's been much opposition from racing officials here at the moment.  Do they have bet types where you can bet on a horse to lose?  Is the industry suss in the UK?

Moi - Betfair you can lay bets (set the best odds) or you can make bets (by taking the odds that other punters set for you.

The gripe is two fold.

Firstly - The Oz racing commission wish to outlaw betting exchanges because it could allow race fixing (or any sport fixing for that matter, by a jockey or anyone getting offered money to ride poorly etc).  This always has had a chance of happening, but where Betfair has helped out, is that they notify the racing board in the UK if there are any dramatic swings in the betting before the race has set off.

Incidently - Once the race is off, a new live market bets on the horses during the race.  It is mad, and if you want to have a look, get on the site.

The second reason - and the biggest reason, is that the money that the Oz racing make out of TOTE betting is under threat, and until there is some sort of agreement to get an equivalent percentage of the Betfair pool (which is incidently about 3 times higher on formal Oz races than the Aussie tote....).

It all comes down to money.



Another question, do any of you have access to the brownlow or rising star markets?

I am not sure yet of my top 4.

Its a tough one.  Port, Bris, St Kilda, Geelong, WCE all have good cases.

If Gardner is fit, then I agree with MT, WCE should make top 4.

[froars]

Another question, do any of you have access to the brownlow or rising star markets?

Brownlow odds on Sportodds:

Chris JUDD (West Coast)      $8.00/$2.75
Nick RIEWOLDT (St Kilda)      $15.00/$4.50
Mark RICCIUTO (Adelaide)      $17.00/$5.00
Nigel LAPPIN (Brisbane)      $21/$6
Warren TREDREA (Port Adelaide)   $21/$6   
Chad CORNES (Port Adelaide)      $26/$7.25
Ben COUSINS (West Coast)      $31/$8.50
James HIRD (Essendon)      $34/$9.25
Cameron LING (Geelong)      $34/$9.25
Andrew McLEOD (Adelaide)      $34/$9.25
James BARTEL (Geelong)      $41/$11
Simon BLACK (Brisbane)      $41/$11
Nathan BUCKLEY (Collingwood)      $41/$11
Brett KIRK (Sydney)      $41/$11
Matthew PAVLICH (Fremantle)   $41/$11   
Luke POWER (Brisbane)      $41/$11
Byron SCHAMMER (Fremantle)      $41/$11
Jason AKERMANIS (Brisbane)      $51/$13.50
Josh CARR (Fremantle)      $51/$13.50
Nick DAL SANTO (St Kilda)      $51/$13.50
Michael GARDINER (West Coast)      $51/$13.50
Barry HALL (Sydney)      $51/$13.50
Paul HASLEBY (Fremantle)      $51/$13.50
Adam McPHEE (Essendon)      $51/$13.50
Nick STEVENS (Carlton)      $51/$13.50
Michael VOSS (Brisbane)      $51/$13.50
Scott WEST (Western Bulldogs)      $51/$13.50
Luke BALL (St Kilda)      $61/$16
Gary ABLETT Jnr (Geelong)      $67/$17.50
Peter BELL (Fremantle)      $67/$17.50
Shane CRAWFORD (Hawthorn)      $67/$17.50
Chad FLETCHER (West Coast)      $67/$17.50
Josh FRANCOU (Port Adelaide)      $67/$17.50
Lenny HAYES (St Kilda)      $67/$17.50
Brad OTTENS (Geelong)      $67/$17.50
Jeff WHITE (Melbourne)      $67/$17.50
Cameron BRUCE (Melbourne)      $81/$21
Adam GOODES (Sydney)      $81/$21
Luke HODGE (Hawthorn)      $81/$21
James KELLY (Geelong)      $81/$21
Sam MITCHELL (Hawthorn)      $81/$21
Shane WOEWODIN (Collingwood)      $81/$21
Adam YZE (Melbourne)      $81/$21
Nathan BROWN (Richmond)      $101/$26
Peter BURGOYNE (Port Adelaide)      $101/$26
Scott CAMPOREALE (Carlton)      $101/$26
Kane CORNES (Port Adelaide)      $101/$26
Peter EVERITT (Hawthorn)      $101/$26
Simon GOODWIN (Adelaide)      $101/$26
Brad GREEN (Melbourne)      $101/$26
Jason JOHNSON (Essendon)      $101/$26
Travis JOHNSTONE (Melbourne)      $101/$26
Anthony KOUTOUFIDES (Carlton)      $101/$26
Luke McPHARLIN (Fremantle)      $101/$26
Matthew SCARLETT (Geelong)      $101/$26
Josh FRASER (Collingwood)      $125/$32
Jude BOLTON (Sydney)      $126/$32.25
Nathan D BROWN(Melbourne)      $126/$32.25
Brett BURTON (Adelaide)      $126/$32.25
Mark COUGHLAN (Richmond)      $126/$32.25
Tyson EDWARDS (Adelaide)      $126/$32.25
Brendan FEVOLA (Carlton)      $126/$32.25
Chris GRANT (Western Bulldogs)      $126/$32.25
Brent HARVEY (Kangaroos)      $126/$32.25
Roger JAMES (Port Adelaide)      $126/$32.25
Mark JOHNSON (Essendon)      $126/$32.25
Tadhg KENNELLY (Sydney)      $126/$32.25
Matthew LAPPIN (Carlton)      $126/$32.25
Paul LICURIA (Collingwood)      $126/$32.25
Michael O`LOUGHLIN (Sydney)      $126/$32.25
Matthew RICHARDSON (Richmond)      $126/$32.25
Joel SMITH (Hawthorn)      $126/$32.25
Chris TARRANT (Collingwood)      $126/$32.25
Daniel WELLS (Kangaroos)      $126/$32.25
Shaun BURGOYNE (Port Adelaide)      $141/$36
Joel COREY (Geelong)      $141/$36
Luke DARCY (Western Bulldogs)      $141/$36
Fraser GEHRIG (St Kilda)      $141/$36
Brad JOHNSON (Western Bulldogs)     $141/$36
Daniel KERR (West Coast)      $141/$36
Matthew LLOYD (Essendon)      $141/$36
Kade SIMPSON (Carlton)      $141/$36
Tyson STENGLEIN (West Coast)      $141/$36
David TEAGUE (Carlton)      $141/$36
Gavin WANGANEEN (Port Adelaide)    $141/$36 
Michael WILSON (Port Adelaide)      $141/$36
David WIRRPUNDA (West Coast)      $141/$36
Joel BOWDEN (Richmond)      $151/$38.50
Jonathon BROWN (Brisbane)      $151/$38.50
Adam COONEY (Western Bulldogs)      $151/$38.50
Aaron DAVEY (Melbourne)      $151/$38.50
Kane JOHNSON (Richmond)      $151/$38.50
Austinn JONES (St Kilda)      $151/$38.50
Steven KING (Geelong)      $151/$38.50
Jade RAWLINGS (Western Bulldogs)      $151/$38.50
Dean RIOLI (Essendon)      $151/$38.50
Ashley SAMPI (West Coast)      $151/$38.50
Lance WHITNALL (Carlton)      $151/$38.50
Robert HARVEY (St Kilda)      $161/$41
Adam SCHNEIDER (Sydney)      $161/$41
Jason BALL (Sydney)      $201/$51
Leo BARRY (Sydney)      $201/$51
Daniel BRADSHAW (Brisbane)      $201/$51
Michael BRAUN (West Coast)      $201/$51
James CLEMENT (Collingwood)      $201/$51
Alan DIDAK (Collingwood)      $201/$51
Brett EBERT (Port Adelaide)      $201/$51
Corey ENRIGHT (Geelong)      $201/$51
Shannon GRANT (Kangaroos)      $201/$51
Aaron HAMILL (St Kilda)      $201/$51
Graham JOHNCOCK (Adelaide)      $201/$51
Justin KOSCHITZKE (St Kilda)      $201/$51
Justin LONGMUIR (Fremantle)      $201/$51
Cameron MOONEY (Geelong)      $201/$51
Chad MORRISON (Collingwood)      $201/$51
David NEITZ (Melbourne)      $201/$51
Luke PENNY (St Kilda)      $201/$51
Byron PICKETT (Port Adelaide)      $201/$51
Matthew PRIMUS (Port Adelaide)      $201/$51
Russell ROBERTSON (Melbourne)      $201/$51
Brenton SANDERSON (Geelong)      $201/$51
Jarrad SCHOFIELD (Port Adelaide)      $201/$51
Heath SCOTLAND (Carlton)      $201/$51
Paul WILLIAMS (Sydney)      $201/$51
Clint BIZZELL (Melbourne)      $251/$63.50
Heath BLACK (Fremantle)      $251/$63.50
Dean BROGAN (Port Adelaide)      $251/$63.50
Leigh BROWN (Kangaroos)      $251/$63.50
Jamie CHARMAN (Brisbane)      $251/$63.50
Andrew EMBLEY (West Coast)      $251/$63.50
Brendon GODDARD (St Kilda)      $251/$63.50
Daniel HARRIS (Kangaroos)      $251/$63.50
Des HEADLAND (Fremantle)      $251/$63.50
Chris JOHNSON (Brisbane)      $251/$63.50
Ben JOHNSON (Collingwood)      $251/$63.50
Troy LONGMUIR (Carlton)      $251/$63.50
Scott LUCAS (Essendon)      $251/$63.50
Ken McGREGOR (Adelaide)      $251/$63.50
Darren MILBURN (Geelong)      $251/$63.50
Stephen MILNE (St Kilda)      $251/$63.50
Daniel MOTLOP (Kangaroos)      $251/$63.50
Karl NORMAN (Carlton)      $251/$63.50
Shane O`BREE (Collingwood)      $251/$63.50
Drew PETRIE (Kangaroos)      $251/$63.50
Graham POLAK (Fremantle)      $251/$63.50
Stephen POWELL (St Kilda)      $251/$63.50
Jared RIVERS (Melbourne)      $251/$63.50
Anthony ROCCA (Collingwood)      $251/$63.50
Aaron SANDILANDS (Fremantle)      $251/$63.50
Rohan SMITH (Western Bulldogs)      $251/$63.50
Kane TENACE (Geelong)      $251/$63.50
Nathan THOMPSON (Kangaroos)      $251/$63.50
Jarrad WAITE (Carlton)      $251/$63.50
Matthew ALLAN (Essendon)      $331/$83.50
Daniel BANDY (Western Bulldogs)      $331/$83.50
Rhett BIGLANDS (Adelaide)      $331/$83.50
Scott BURNS (Collingwood)      $331/$83.50
Wayne CAMPBELL (Richmond)      $331/$83.50
Raphael CLARKE (St Kilda)      $331/$83.50
Xavier CLARKE (St Kilda)      $331/$83.50
Troy COOK (Fremantle)      $331/$83.50
Dean COX (West Coast)      $331/$83.50
Jared CROUCH (Sydney)      $331/$83.50
Jeff FARMER (Fremantle)      $331/$83.50
Nic FOSDIKE (Sydney)      $331/$83.50
Daniel GIANSIRACUSA (Western Bulldog$331/$83.50s)     
Lindsay GILBEE (Western Bulldogs)      $331/$83.50
Brent GUERRA (St Kilda)      $331/$83.50
Richard HADLEY (Brisbane)      $331/$83.50
Tom HARLEY (Geelong)      $331/$83.50
Jonathan HAY (Hawthorn)      $331/$83.50
Trent HENTSCHEL (Adelaide)      $331/$83.50
David HILLE (Essendon)      $331/$83.50
Max HUDGHTON (St Kilda)      $331/$83.50
Luke JERICHO (Adelaide)      $331/$83.50
Steve JOHNSON (Geelong)      $331/$83.50
Corey Jones (Kangaroos)      $331/$83.50
Paul KOULOURIOTIS (Geelong)      $331/$83.50
Andrew KRAKOUER (Richmond)      $331/$83.50
Brendon LADE (Port Adelaide)      $331/$83.50
Justin LEPPITSCH (Brisbane)      $331/$83.50
Tarkin LOCKYER (Collingwood)      $331/$83.50
Matt MAGUIRE (St Kilda)      $331/$83.50
Josh MAHONEY (Port Adelaide)      $331/$83.50
Ben MATHEWS (Sydney)      $331/$83.50
James McDONALD (Melbourne)      $331/$83.50
Andrew McDOUGALL (West Coast)      $331/$83.50
Paul MEDHURST (Fremantle)      $331/$83.50
Justin MURPHY (Essendon)      $331/$83.50
Robert MURPHY (Western Bulldogs)      $331/$83.50
Matthew NICKS (Sydney)      $331/$83.50
Ryan O`KEEFE (Sydney)      $331/$83.50
Ian PERRIE (Adelaide)      $331/$83.50
Damien PEVERILL (Essendon)      $331/$83.50
Adam RAMANAUSKAS (Essendon)      $331/$83.50
Brady RAWLINGS (Kangaroos)      $331/$83.50
David RODAN (Richmond)      $331/$83.50
Jason SADDINGTON (Sydney)      $331/$83.50
Troy SIMMONDS (Richmond)      $331/$83.50
Scott THOMPSON (Adelaide)      $331/$83.50
Richard VANDENBERG (Hawthorn)      $331/$83.50
Brett VOSS (St Kilda)      $331/$83.50
Tristen WALKER (Collingwood)      $331/$83.50
Scott WELSH (Adelaide)      $331/$83.50
Matthew WHELAN (Melbourne)      $331/$83.50
Mark WILLIAMS (Hawthorn)      $331/$83.50
David WOJCINSKI (Geelong)      $331/$83.50
Blake CARACELLA (Brisbane)      $401/$101
Matthew CARR (Fremantle)      $401/$101
Tim CLARKE (Hawthorn)      $401/$101
Robert COPELAND (Brisbane)      $401/$101
Damian CUPIDO (Essendon)      $401/$101
Nick DAVIS (Sydney)      $401/$101
Chris HEFFERNAN (Melbourne)      $401/$101
Rowan JONES (West Coast)      $401/$101
Kent KINGSLEY (Geelong)      $401/$101
Adam KINGSLEY (Port Adelaide)      $401/$101
Nathan LONIE (Hawthorn)      $401/$101
Troy MAKEPEACE (Kangaroos)      $401/$101
Martin MATTNER (Adelaide)      $401/$101
Stuart MAXFIELD (Sydney)      $401/$101
Shaun McMANUS (Fremantle)      $401/$101
Leigh MONTAGNA (St Kilda)      $401/$101
Brett MONTGOMERY (Port Adelaide)      $401/$101
Tim NOTTING (Brisbane)      $401/$101
Simon PRESTIGIACOMO (Collingwood)   $401/$101   
Ted RICHARDS (Essendon)      $401/$101
Dean SOLOMON (Essendon)      $401/$101
Greg STAFFORD (Richmond)      $401/$101
Brent STAKER (West Coast)      $401/$101
Richard TAMBLING (Richmond)      $401/$101
Toby THURSTANS (Port Adelaide)      $401/$101
Greg TIVENDALE (Richmond)      $401/$101
Andrew WALKER (Carlton)      $401/$101
Damien ADKINS (West Coast)      $501/$126
Steven ARMSTRONG (Melbourne)      $501/$126
Drew BANFIELD (West Coast)      $501/$126
Mark BOLTON (Essendon)      $501/$126
Craig BOLTON (Sydney)      $501/$126
Patrick BOWDEN (Western Bulldogs)    $501/$126 
Jared BRENNAN (Brisbane)      $501/$126
Matthew CLARKE (Adelaide)      $501/$126
David CLARKE (Carlton)      $501/$126
Jason CLOKE (Collingwood)      $501/$126
Leigh COLBERT (Kangaroos)      $501/$126
Michael FIRRITO (Kangaroos)      $501/$126
Brad FISHER (Carlton)      $501/$126
Dustin FLETCHER (Essendon)      $501/$126
Mitchell HAHN (Western Bulldogs)      $501/$126
Leigh HARDING (Kangaroos)      $501/$126
Ben HART (Adelaide)      $501/$126
David HAYNES (Geelong)      $501/$126
Aaron HENNEMAN (Essendon)      $501/$126
Brodie HOLLAND (Collingwood)      $501/$126
Nick HOLLAND (Hawthorn)      $501/$126
Ryan HOULIHAN (Carlton)      $501/$126
Clark KEATING (Brisbane)      $501/$126
Chris LADHAMS (Adelaide)      $501/$126
Angelo LEKKAS (Hawthorn)      $501/$126
Ryan LONIE (Collingwood)      $501/$126
Quinten LYNCH (West Coast)      $501/$126
Kris MASSIE (Adelaide)      $501/$126
Phillip MATERA (West Coast)      $501/$126
Matthew McCARTHY (Geelong)      $501/$126
Corey McKERNAN (Kangaroos)      $501/$126
Brock McLEAN (Melbourne)      $501/$126
Mark McVEIGH (Essendon)      $501/$126
Brad MILLER (Melbourne)      $501/$126
Shane PARKER (Fremantle)      $501/$126
Martin PIKE (Brisbane)      $501/$126
Henry PLAYFAIR (Geelong)      $501/$126
Jared POULTON (Port Adelaide)      $501/$126
James RAHILLY (Geelong)      $501/$126
Brent REILLY (Adelaide)      $501/$126
Peter RICCARDI (Geelong)      $501/$126
Guy RICHARDS (Collingwood)      $501/$126
Saverio ROCCA (Kangaroos)      $501/$126
Andrew SCHAUBLE (Sydney)      $501/$126
Brad SCOTT (Brisbane)      $501/$126
Chris SCOTT (Brisbane)      $501/$126
Jess SINCLAIR (Kangaroos)      $501/$126
Scott STEVENS (Adelaide)      $501/$126
Andrew THOMPSON (St Kilda)      $501/$126
Shane WAKELIN (Collingwood)      $501/$126
Darryl WAKELIN (Port Adelaide)      $501/$126
James WALKER (Fremantle)      $501/$126
Daniel WARD (Melbourne)      $501/$126
Jobe WATSON (Essendon)      $501/$126
Andrew WELSH (Essendon)      $501/$126
Josh WOODEN (West Coast)      $501/$126
Luke ABLETT (Sydney)      $661/$166
Glen ARCHER (Kangaroos)      $661/$166
Steven BAKER (St Kilda)      $661/$166
Matthew BALL (Hawthorn)      $661/$166
Jason BLAKE (St Kilda)      $661/$166
Matthew BODE (Adelaide)      $661/$166
Glen BOWYER (Carlton)      $661/$166
Campbell BROWN (Hawthorn)      $661/$166
Andrew BROWNE (Fremantle)      $661/$166
Marc BULLEN (Essendon)      $661/$166
Mark CHAFFEY (Richmond)      $661/$166
Callum CHAMBERS (Carlton)      $661/$166
Paul CHAPMAN (Geelong)      $661/$166
Daniel CHICK (West Coast)      $661/$166
Justin DAVIES (Carlton)      $661/$166
Leon DAVIS (Collingwood)      $661/$166
Adrian DELUCA (Carlton)      $661/$166
Stuart DEW (Port Adelaide)      $661/$166
Nathan EAGLETON (Western Bulldogs)      $661/$166
Charlie GARDINER (Geelong)      $661/$166
Darren GASPAR (Richmond)      $661/$166
Simon GODFREY (Melbourne)      $661/$166
Steven GREENE (Hawthorn)      $661/$166
Ray HALL (Richmond)      $661/$166
Ben HAYNES (Essendon)      $661/$166
Benjamin HUDSON (Adelaide)      $661/$166
David JOHNSON (Geelong)      $661/$166
Andrew KELLAWAY (Richmond)      $661/$166
Trent KNOBEL (St Kilda)      $661/$166
Steven KOOPS (Western Bulldogs)      $661/$166
Luke LIVINGSTON (Carlton)      $661/$166
Matthew LOKAN (Collingwood)      $661/$166
Ashley McGRATH (Brisbane)      $661/$166
Jarrad McVEIGH (Sydney)      $661/$166
Mal MICHAEL (Brisbane)      $661/$166
Digby MORRELL (Carlton)      $661/$166
Justin PECKETT (St Kilda)      $661/$166
Sam POWER (Western Bulldogs)      $661/$166
Ian PRENDERGAST (Carlton)      $661/$166
Guy RIGONI (Melbourne)      $661/$166
Lewis ROBERTS-THOMSON (Sydney)     $661/$166
Adam SIMPSON (Kangaroos)      $661/$166
Mark STEVENS (Adelaide)      $661/$166
Dane SWAN (Collingwood)      $661/$166
Jason TORNEY (Adelaide)      $661/$166
Peter WALSH (Port Adelaide)      $661/$166
Fergus WATTS (Adelaide)      $661/$166
Simon WIGGINS (Carlton)      $661/$166
Andrew WILLIAMS (Collingwood)      $661/$166
Jason WINDERLICH (Essendon)      $661/$166
Dion WOODS (Fremantle)      $661/$166
Ty ZANTUCK (Richmond) ???     $661/$166
Jordon BANNISTER (Carlton) $1001/$251     
John BARKER (Hawthorn)      $1001/$251
Nathan BASSETT (Adelaide)      $1001/$251
Chance BATEMAN (Hawthorn)      $1001/$251
Simon Beaumont (Hawthorn)      $1001/$251
James BEGLEY (Adelaide)      $1001/$251
Adam BENTICK (Carlton)      $1001/$251
Paul BEVAN (Sydney)      $1001/$251
Matthew BISHOP (Port Adelaide)      $1001/$251
Nathan BOCK (Adelaide)      $1001/$251
Matthew BOYD (Western Bulldogs)      $1001/$251
Amon BUCHANAN (Sydney)      $1001/$251
Tim CALLAN (Geelong)      $1001/$251
Domenic CASSISI (Port Adelaide)      $1001/$251
Paul CHAMBERS (Geelong)      $1001/$251
Cameron CLOKE (Collingwood)      $1001/$251
Stuart COCHRANE (Port Adelaide)      $1001/$251
Richard COLE (Collingwood)      $1001/$251
Daniel CROSS (Western Bulldogs)      $1001/$251
Michael DOUGHTY (Adelaide)      $1001/$251
Stephen DOYLE (Sydney)      $1001/$251
Ricky DYSON (Essendon)      $1001/$251
Aaron FIORA (St Kilda)      $1001/$251
Daniel GILMORE (Fremantle)      $1001/$251
Darren GLASS (West Coast)      $1001/$251
Kasey GREEN (West Coast)      $1001/$251
Antoni GROVER (Fremantle)      $1001/$251
Robert HADDRILL (Fremantle)      $1001/$251
Ryan HARGRAVE (Western Bulldogs)      $1001/$251
Brent HARTIGAN (Richmond)      $1001/$251
Roger HAYDEN (Fremantle)      $1001/$251
Ben HOLLAND (Melbourne)      $1001/$251
Josh HUNT (Geelong)      $1001/$251
Adam HUNTER (West Coast)      $1001/$251
Chris HYDE (Richmond)      $1001/$251
Danny JACOBS (Hawthorn)      $1001/$251
Mark JAMAR (Melbourne)      $1001/$251
Brett JOHNSON (Carlton)      $1001/$251
Andrew MACKIE (Geelong)      $1001/$251
Cory McGRATH (Carlton)      $1001/$251
Dylan McLAREN (Brisbane)      $1001/$251
Jordan McMAHON (Western Bulldogs)      $1001/$251
Brent MOLONEY (Melbourne)      $1001/$251
Chris NEWMAN (Richmond)      $1001/$251
Alistair NICHOLSON (Melbourne)      $1001/$251
Michael OSBORNE (Hawthorn)      $1001/$251
Phillip READ (Melbourne)      $1001/$251
Matthew ROBBINS (Western Bulldogs)    $1001/$251 
Jarad ROOKE (Geelong)      $1001/$251
Julian ROWE (Collingwood)      $1001/$251
Steven SALOPEK (Port Adelaide)      $1001/$251
Jay SCHULZ (Richmond)      $1001/$251
Troy SCHWARZE (St Kilda)      $1001/$251
Rhyce SHAW (Collingwood)      $1001/$251
Robert SHIRLEY (Adelaide)      $1001/$251
Hayden SKIPWORTH (Adelaide)      $1001/$251
Brent STANTON (Essendon)      $1001/$251
Michael STEVENS (Kangaroos)      $1001/$251
Bret THORNTON (Carlton)      $1001/$251
Scott THORNTON (Fremantle)      $1001/$251
Luke WEBSTER (Fremantle)      $1001/$251
Paul WHEATLEY (Melbourne)  $1001/$251

[mightytiges]

Those odds were obviously done prior to the pre-season draft. That's why they have Zantuck and Knobel still listed with their old clubs.

Brad OTTENS (Geelong)      $67/$17.50

Nathan BROWN (Richmond)      $101/$26
Mark COUGHLAN (Richmond)      $126/$32.25
Matthew RICHARDSON (Richmond)      $126/$32.25
Joel BOWDEN (Richmond)      $151/$38.50
Kane JOHNSON (Richmond)      $151/$38.50
Wayne CAMPBELL (Richmond)      $331/$83.50
Andrew KRAKOUER (Richmond)      $331/$83.50
David RODAN (Richmond)      $331/$83.50
Troy SIMMONDS (Richmond)      $331/$83.50
Greg STAFFORD (Richmond)      $401/$101
Richard TAMBLING (Richmond)      $401/$101
Greg TIVENDALE (Richmond)      $401/$101
Mark CHAFFEY (Richmond)      $661/$166
Darren GASPAR (Richmond)      $661/$166
Ray HALL (Richmond)      $661/$166
Andrew KELLAWAY (Richmond)      $661/$166
Trent KNOBEL (Richmond)      $661/$166
Brent HARTIGAN (Richmond)      $1001/$251
Chris HYDE (Richmond)      $1001/$251
Chris NEWMAN (Richmond)      $1001/$251
Jay SCHULZ (Richmond)      $1001/$251

If we somehow snagged a 11-11 season a fit Cogs or Richo could be a show for at least a place. Umpies seem to take notice of both of them. How is Rodan that high  ???.

lol @ Tiger fans jumping on board Tambling  . We should have a few good rising star chances this year  - Deledio, Tambling, Raines.

I wonder if Ottens would be ahead of every other Tiger if he was still at Richmond  . I'd say $250 has been chopped off simply because he's gone from a bottom to top 4 side.

[LondonTiger]

Those brownlow odds look very interesting.

Gardiner $51 is worth it, Bartel at $41 is worth it. 

Judd is way too short -

There are some great chances at odds over 100.  Richo and Cogs will get a go

At the end of each week from now till the end of the season I am going to place $20 worth of bets (but its actually £), based on the general opinion of the board.

Likely bets week 1.

WCE - $10 for the top 4
And the banker - $10 on Brisbane to make the 8.

I do not have a market for the brownlow yet (usually I get it around the start of the wizard cup)



 

[LondonTiger]

For those interested in a decent ladder predictor

http://www.allthestats.com/other/ladpredict.php

[cub]

Big tonk on Richo for the Bronlow this year - He has allways polled well in a (lets be honest) poo side. So if we improve a bit which I expect and Richo playing up the ground being more noticable to the White Red Yellow Maggots. Well ?

I will also have my usual bet for the 8 and the flag. Hey they owe me over the years so I will keep betting while the odds are big and if we get one out of the blue - Well I will have plenty of drinking money and after sooo long I think it may be a long party when it happens 

[mightytiges]

Agree on Richo CUB. When he is on song he normally gets the 2 or 3 votes. Problem is the days of players from poorer sides winning a brownlow are virtually gone. Paul Kelly of the Swans was the last one and that was 10 years ago. Even someone like Skilton who won 3 of them would've probably missed out if he was playing now. You typically have to be a high possession midfielder from a top 8 side to have a chance  . Richo, Cogs or Browny would need us to win at least half our games this year.

Speaking of poor sides here are the odds for the 2005 wooden spoon. 

WESTERN BULLDOGS 4.00
HAWTHORN 4.25
KANGAROOS 5.00
RICHMOND 5.00
CARLTON 10.00
ADELAIDE 15.00
COLLINGWOOD 15.00
ESSENDON 26.00
MELBOURNE 34.00
FREMANTLE 41.00
SYDNEY 41.00
BRISBANE 67.00
GEELONG 67.00
WEST COAST 67.00
ST KILDA 201.00 
PORT ADELAIDE 251.00

[LondonTiger]

Current Bets at the end of Week One.

WCE for the top 4.        $10 at 2.96
Brisbane for the top 8.   $10 at 1.18

Outlay - $20
Return - nil
Value of current bets - $20