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« Reply #165 on: March 24, 2011, 12:08:33 AM »
Is carbon dioxide a pollution? 

Pollution: the presence in or introduction into the environment of a substance which has harmful or poisonous effects. (Oxford Dictionary)

Not all substances are pollution absolutely. Some substances only become a pollutant (ie. become harmful) when in high concentrations or in excess of natural equilibrium levels. CO2 fits this latter category when it's the waste product from the burning of fossil fuels (hydrocarbons) and is pumped by us straight into the atmosphere increasing the CO2 concentration of the atmosphere and enhancing the greenhouse effect artifically. It's not the fact that there's CO2 in the atmosphere that's the issue; it's the fact CO2 levels are ever increasing which if allowed to continue unabated will lead to increasingly harmful effects (climate change).

One of the anti-climate change arguments appears to be that because CO2 is needed for photosynthesis, is odourless and exists in beer lol  :thumbsup, it must be good stuff. And since it's good stuff it can't be a pollutant. Molecules however aren't either good or bad - they just have their various properties and effects. Oxygen (O2) and Nitrogen (N2) are simplistically good stuff as well as they are the main components of the air we breathe but in 100% concentrations (at atmospheric pressure or higher with Oxygen) they are toxic gases and we'd all die.


Anyway I see on the news Abbott at his rally with far-right wing nutters like Hanson, One Nation and the anti-semetic Australian League of Rights. What have any of these looney groups' views got to do with the issue of pricing carbon  ::). No wonder the polls have turned against Abbott. One minute climate change is "crap", then it's real, then it's not (CO2 isn't really a villian), then the next day it's really happening again, and then the next he associates with fruitloop denialists of all sorts  ::). You can't be all things to all men as Phoney Tony is trying to be.
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« Reply #166 on: March 24, 2011, 12:34:53 AM »
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Productivity Commission chairman Gary Banks has also cautioned the government to be wary of setting a carbon price based on estimates of the abatement costs of existing schemes in other countries.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/key-adviser-gary-banks-sees-risk-in-carbon-tax/story-fn59niix-1226027047169

More evidence that this new tax could lead to pushing jobs offshore due to uncompetitiveness in the business sector because theres no global agreement set in place.

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« Reply #167 on: March 24, 2011, 06:17:24 AM »
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Productivity Commission chairman Gary Banks has also cautioned the government to be wary of setting a carbon price based on estimates of the abatement costs of existing schemes in other countries.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/key-adviser-gary-banks-sees-risk-in-carbon-tax/story-fn59niix-1226027047169

More evidence that this new tax could lead to pushing jobs offshore due to uncompetitiveness in the business sector because theres no global agreement set in place.

Depends on what carbon price is set and the compensation packages.
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« Reply #168 on: March 24, 2011, 10:09:42 AM »
why doesnt the loopy left government led by bob brown just call an election and let the people decide.

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« Reply #169 on: March 24, 2011, 10:31:36 AM »
why doesnt the loopy left government led by bob brown just call an election and let the people decide.

You will need to replace loopy Abbott as leader before you can be assured of a win.

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« Reply #170 on: March 24, 2011, 02:07:08 PM »
why doesnt the loopy left government led by bob brown just call an election and let the people decide.

haha I think its pretty obvious why they wouldn't do that.
Labor and Greens will lose there powers 2 years early then they want to.

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« Reply #171 on: May 31, 2011, 10:40:38 PM »
I think tonight they said Garnaut is suggesting a carbon price of $26 per tonne. That won't make the Conservatives nor the Greens happy.

The minority government situation is curious when a Liberal leader wants a Labor speaker to stay on so he doesn't have to replace the speaker with a Liberal member and reduce the coalition's voting numbers in the lower house.
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« Reply #172 on: June 01, 2011, 07:49:17 AM »
ah, when neither of the opposing sides are happy you probably have it just about right.
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« Reply #173 on: June 01, 2011, 04:06:29 PM »
why doesnt the loopy left government led by bob brown just call an election and let the people decide.

haha I think its pretty obvious why they wouldn't do that.
Labor and Greens will lose there powers 2 years early then they want to.

How long does one hold a Senate seat? ;D

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« Reply #174 on: June 01, 2011, 05:58:14 PM »
why doesnt the loopy left government led by bob brown just call an election and let the people decide.

haha I think its pretty obvious why they wouldn't do that.
Labor and Greens will lose there powers 2 years early then they want to.

How long does one hold a Senate seat? ;D

They hold it for 6 years.

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« Reply #175 on: June 01, 2011, 06:55:08 PM »
why doesnt the loopy left government led by bob brown just call an election and let the people decide.

haha I think its pretty obvious why they wouldn't do that.
Labor and Greens will lose there powers 2 years early then they want to.

How long does one hold a Senate seat? ;D

They hold it for 6 years.
Don't think the Greens are going anywhere then

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« Reply #176 on: June 01, 2011, 07:45:07 PM »
not sure who from the greens and other party's are up next senate election but one would think it'll most likely take 2 elections to remove them from balance of power. But in that time they could also increase there numbers also.

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« Reply #177 on: June 01, 2011, 07:47:00 PM »
not sure who from the greens and other party's are up next senate election but one would think it'll most likely take 2 elections to remove them from balance of power. But in that time they could also increase there numbers also.

Definitely if both of the majors are on the nose with the electorate.
Clearly Labor are with their carbon tax and a nation full of effwits and Mr Negative Tony Abbott leading the Libs, it's quite on the cards

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« Reply #178 on: June 01, 2011, 09:50:29 PM »
not sure who from the greens and other party's are up next senate election but one would think it'll most likely take 2 elections to remove them from balance of power. But in that time they could also increase there numbers also.

Definitely if both of the majors are on the nose with the electorate.
Clearly Labor are with their carbon tax and a nation full of effwits and Mr Negative Tony Abbott leading the Libs, it's quite on the cards

Yep. The only real difference in the two party's if it came to voting tomorrow IMO is the carbon tax. Now thats a problem for both partys. Because neither of them have stronge policy that I believe will bring us better prosperity and wealth in the future.

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« Reply #179 on: June 02, 2011, 12:25:51 PM »
whenever there is an election it has to include a half senate election or a double disolution of both houses, in the 2nd instance the senate is re-elected in full from what I remember from my school days 20+ years ago. In either case, the Greens will get slaughtered. They will lose there seat in the HoR which is currently held by Brandt. If theyre lucky theyll only have to contend with a half senate election, in any case they will lose some representation in the senate. In the case of a full senate election- the Greens will get wiped out in a similar fashion to the Australian Democrats. Australians are sick and tired of all these socialist twits stuffing up Australia. Seriously get em out NOW! And that includes the ALP who have become a party of unionist hacks and no hopers who carry on like conga line of suckholes to the yuppies. :lol