Australian Politics thread [merged]

[tiger101]

look at all these socialists popping out supporting the carbon tax garbage and the resources tax rubbish ... its unbelievable. Labor has become a party of no hopers and losers who all wanna turn australia into a welfare state so that there loser surfie mates, green junket fliers and gayboy losers can go buy hot dogs with their dole cheques. Australia's becoming a rabble with this mob. Oh and Climate Change is a hoax and a scam.

With all this extra welfare(compensation) to people its just going to be another disincentive to get them out working and off the governments money.

[1965]

And let's not forget that the next Federal election will be in November 2013.

That's more than two years away.

Do you really think Abbott can sustain this rubbish for that long?

Expect a change in the Liberal leadership before the next election.

 

[tiga]

Interesting article on the so-called demise of the coal industry.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/07/12/3267115.htm

I have to wonder how long the Liberal party will put up with Abbott's negativity.

 

65 if you want unbiased information on the whole carbon tax/mining issue the last place you should be looking is the ABC, the mouthpiece of the Labor party. 

[Tigeritis™©®]

Interesting article on the so-called demise of the coal industry.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/07/12/3267115.htm

I have to wonder how long the Liberal party will put up with Abbott's negativity.

 

yes flags. The abc is one eyed labour.

Anyway '65 you need to read more. It's a fact the greens want to Close down the coal industry they've said as much over and over again.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/news/greens-would-shut-a-coal-industry-worth-60bn-in-export-revenues/story-e6frg906-1226083073173

the labour party didn't want to bring in a tax, Julia and swan told us as much days before the election. But they had to cave in to the greens demands to form government.
Even senator Rhiannon has already pointed out her desire to close coal mines in 10 years.
http://www.couriermail.com.au/business/greens-plan-to-shut-down-coal-industry-to-cost-australia-200000-jobs-36b-a-year-in-gdp/story-e6freqmx-1226086761615
 
Now it might not be the agenda of the labour party but as already shown they are willing to do anything the greens ask. Now that the greens have the balance of power in the senate they know they have labour by the balls.

[1965]

But doen't this prove that Tony's rants about the death of the industry was all so much BS?

'65

[Tigeritis™©®]

But doen't this prove that Tony's rants about the death of the industry was all so much BS?

'65

???
It proves that the greens have this agenda and if they squeeze the government hard enough they might just get their way.

Let me ask you a question '65. Your a smart fellow.

How much will global temperatures fall with the implementation of the Carbon tax and ETS by the year 2050?

[1965]

But doen't this prove that Tony's rants about the death of the industry was all so much BS?

'65

???
It proves that the greens have this agenda and if they squeeze the government hard enough they might just get their way.

Let me ask you a question '65. Your a smart fellow.

How much will global temperatures fall with the implementation of the Carbon tax and ETS by the year 2050?

Not much in the short term but if we do nothing it will be a lot worse.

How big the fall will be will be determined by when China  (and they have started the process) and the Americans get their act together.

But we should think of our grandchildren and not our own hip pockets.

And you have to ask why is the Labor party doing this?
(and it is not because they are stupid)

'65

[1965]

And with the election over two years away this will all be forgotten about. The sky is not going to fall in.

Businesses and voters will get used to the change fairly quickly. (just like they did with the GST)

'65

[WilliamPowell]

ok WP, I'd be happy to read your answers to all those questions. I obviously hate the whole concept of ANY carbon tax or price because I truly beleive it's a clever excuse for a very quick grab for much needed revenue.
That said Im truly interested in your thoughts to each of those questions. Thanks.   

haven't forgotten you Mr Tigra

Just had some more pressing things to deal with than the forum in the last 18 odd hours 

Like spending just on 3 hours in the emergency dept at the Animal Hospital last night/this morning with our puppy - gawd I am exhausted 

Anyway will try to get back to answering as I promised tonight

And BTW can I just add: while the argument is that the ABC is pro-ALP and they can't be trrusted in their reporting on all matters political

Quoting articles from the News Corp papers is a bit pointless as they (it can be argued) are simply pro-Lib/Nat like the ABC is to ALP 

Just look at Andrew Bolt and Terry McCrann 

[Tigeritis™©®]

But doen't this prove that Tony's rants about the death of the industry was all so much BS?

'65

???
It proves that the greens have this agenda and if they squeeze the government hard enough they might just get their way.

Let me ask you a question '65. Your a smart fellow.

How much will global temperatures fall with the implementation of the Carbon tax and ETS by the year 2050?

Not much in the short term but if we do nothing it will be a lot worse.

How big the fall will be will be determined by when China  (and they have started the process) and the Americans get their act together.

But we should think of our grandchildren and not our own hip pockets.

And you have to ask why is the Labor party doing this?
(and it is not because they are stupid)

'65

facts are '65 no matter what WE do in this great country of ours it will be like peeing in the bay.
I'm indignant because as much as the government talks about Carbon pollution it's a tax on CO2 which isn't a pollutant. Fact.
Why then if CO2 levels in the atmosphere has risen in the last 10 years but temperatures haven't gone up but have remained steady in those 10 years?
I'm with Flags here. It's a big excuse for more revenue and the greens have reaping the benefits of their political position to force there socialist agenda on all of us.

The difference between this tax and the GST is that the people of Australia voted in the coalition on the knowledge of the incoming GST. But with labour we didn't know of the back door deals they were doing with the greens just before the federal election especially after Julia and Swan told us they weren't going to have a carbon tax just before the election.
Doesn't that upset you or are you suffering from cognitive dissonance? 
 

[1965]

The difference between this tax and the GST is that the people of Australia voted in the coalition on the knowledge of the incoming GST. But with labour we didn't know of the back door deals they were doing with the greens just before the federal election especially after Julia and Swan told us they weren't going to have a carbon tax just before the election.

The next election is over two years away,

Are Abbott and his stooges going to run around shouting "The sky is falling" for the next two years?

Heaven help us.

Trust me the public and business will get used to the new procedures and just get on with it.

And let me repeat the next elextion is over two years away. Labor, the Greens and the Independents are not going to go to an early election.

It is all (literally) just a lot of hot air.

'65

[Tigeritis™©®]

ok WP, I'd be happy to read your answers to all those questions. I obviously hate the whole concept of ANY carbon tax or price because I truly beleive it's a clever excuse for a very quick grab for much needed revenue.
That said Im truly interested in your thoughts to each of those questions. Thanks.   

haven't forgotten you Mr Tigra

Just had some more pressing things to deal with than the forum in the last 18 odd hours 

Like spending just on 3 hours in the emergency dept at the Animal Hospital last night/this morning with our puppy - gawd I am exhausted 

Anyway will try to get back to answering as I promised tonight

And BTW can I just add: while the argument is that the ABC is pro-ALP and they can't be trrusted in their reporting on all matters political

Quoting articles from the News Corp papers is a bit pointless as they (it can be argued) are simply pro-Lib/Nat like the ABC is to ALP 

Just look at Andrew Bolt and Terry McCrann 

sorry to here about your puppy WP I hope it's ok.

[Penelope]

Interesting article on the so-called demise of the coal industry.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/07/12/3267115.htm

I have to wonder how long the Liberal party will put up with Abbott's negativity.

 

65 if you want unbiased information on the whole carbon tax/mining issue the last place you should be looking is the ABC, the mouthpiece of the Labor party. 

to a certain point that is true, the ABC does tend to lean towards the left, but they are still the most impartial media resource going around.

the commercial media will blatantly back the party that they feel will give themselves the best result and mostly that will be the libs, but not always

The australian for instance happily (proudly) admitted that they use their position to influence politics as much as possible.

If you'd ever seen kerry o'brian  interview a politician of any persuasion you would get something that you hardly ever get in commercial media, quality journalism, unafraid to ask hard questions to pollies of all sides.
true impartiality within the media is justa  pipedream, but ironically it is the government run media that comes closest

[Tigeritis™©®]

Interesting article on the so-called demise of the coal industry.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/07/12/3267115.htm

I have to wonder how long the Liberal party will put up with Abbott's negativity.

 

65 if you want unbiased information on the whole carbon tax/mining issue the last place you should be looking is the ABC, the mouthpiece of the Labor party. 

to a certain point that is true, the ABC does tend to lean towards the left, but they are still the most impartial media resource going around.

the commercial media will blatantly back the party that they feel will give themselves the best result and mostly that will be the libs, but not always

The australian for instance happily (proudly) admitted that they use their position to influence politics as much as possible.

If you'd ever seen kerry o'brian  interview a politician of any persuasion you would get something that you hardly ever get in commercial media, quality journalism, unafraid to ask hard questions to pollies of all sides.
true impartiality within the media is justa  pipedream, but ironically it is the government run media that comes closest

[Penelope]