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« Reply #330 on: July 13, 2011, 05:21:36 AM »
Thought I'd throw this into the mix....

Record melt will see Arctic ice-free in summer by 2030

http://www.theage.com.au/world/record-melt-will-see-arctic-icefree-in-summer-by-2030-20110712-1hcah.html?from=age_sb

If trends continue, a largely ice-free Arctic in summer months is likely within 30 years.

SEA ice in the Arctic is melting at a record pace this year, suggesting warming at the north pole is speeding up and a largely ice-free Arctic can be expected in summer months within 30 years.

The area of the Arctic ocean at least 15 per cent covered in ice is this week about 8.5 million square kilometres - lower than the previous record low set in 2007 - according to satellite monitoring by the US National Snow and Ice Data Centre (NSIDC) in Boulder, Colorado.

As well, data from the University of Washington Polar Science Centre shows that the thickness of Arctic ice this year is also the lowest on record. In the past 10 days, the Arctic ocean has been losing as much as 150,000 square kilometres of sea ice a day, NSIDC director Mark Serreze said.

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''The extent [of the ice cover] is going down, but it is also thinning. So a weather pattern that formerly would melt some ice, now gets rid of much more.

''There will be ups and downs, but we are on track to see an ice-free summer by 2030. It is an overall downward spiral.''

Global warming has been melting Arctic sea ice for the past 30 years at a rate of about 3 per cent a decade on average. But the two new data sets suggest that, if these trends continue, a largely ice-free Arctic in summer months is likely within 30 years.

That is up to 40 years earlier than was anticipated in the last Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change assessment report.

Sea ice, which is at its maximum extent in March and its lowest in September each year, is widely considered to be one of the ''canaries in the mine'' for climate change, because the poles are heating up faster than anywhere else on Earth.

According to the NSIDC, air temperatures for June 2011 were between 1 degree and 4 degrees warmer than average over most of the Arctic ocean.

The findings support a recent study in the journal Science that suggested water flowing from the Atlantic into the Arctic ocean is warmer today than at any time in the past 2000 years and could be one of the explanations for the rapid sea-ice melt now being observed.

Computer simulations performed by NASA suggest that the retreat of Arctic sea ice will not continue at a constant rate.

Instead, the simulations show a series of abrupt decreases such as the one that occurred in 2007, when a ''perfect storm'' of weather conditions coincided and more ice was lost in one year than in the previous 28 years combined. Compared with the 1950s, over half of the Arctic sea ice had disappeared.

What concerns polar scientists is that thicker ice which does not melt in the summer is not being formed as fast as the ice is melting. On average each year about half of the first year ice, formed between September and March, melts during the following summer.

This year, the founder of the Weather Underground climate monitoring website, Jeff Masters, said a high pressure system centred north of Alaska had brought clear skies and plenty of ice-melting sunshine to the Arctic.

Sea ice has an important effect on the heat balance of the polar oceans, since it insulates the relatively warm ocean from the much colder air above, thus reducing heat loss from the oceans.

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« Reply #331 on: July 13, 2011, 01:22:46 PM »

Almost two-thirds of Australia's economists say the government's carbon pricing package is good economic policy, while even more oppose the Coalition's plan.
 
A new study by the Economic Society of Australia, released today, found 60 per cent of economists believed the move to put a price on carbon from mid-2012 and to use the funds to benefit households, industry and clean energy was sound economic policy.
 
Almost 85 per cent said they did not think the Coalition's alternative "direct action'' plan was a sound economic proposal to reduce carbon emissions.


http://www.theage.com.au/business/economists-slam-abbotts-carbon-plans-20110713-1hd3d.html

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Re: Australian Politics thread [merged]
« Reply #332 on: July 14, 2011, 05:47:30 AM »

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« Reply #333 on: July 14, 2011, 07:38:34 AM »
Let me get this straight.

My position is this; I don't like ANY tax. I didn't want the GST. I don't want a TAX on carbon dioxide! I think it's crap and just an excuse for more money. 

So ALL you people, except maybe Tiga and Flags, are excited about a TAX?

I can't beleive it. You people are brainwashed. 
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« Reply #334 on: July 14, 2011, 09:54:57 AM »
Let me get this straight.

My position is this; I don't like ANY tax. I didn't want the GST. I don't want a TAX on carbon dioxide! I think it's crap and just an excuse for more money. 

So ALL you people, except maybe Tiga and Flags, are excited about a TAX?

I can't beleive it. You people are brainwashed. 

Let me ask you this. When you go to your church, do you put money in the collection plate when it comes around?

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« Reply #335 on: July 14, 2011, 10:38:48 AM »
Let me get this straight.

My position is this; I don't like ANY tax. I didn't want the GST. I don't want a TAX on carbon dioxide! I think it's crap and just an excuse for more money. 

So ALL you people, except maybe Tiga and Flags, are excited about a TAX?

I can't beleive it. You people are brainwashed. 

Let me ask you this. When you go to your church, do you put money in the collection plate when it comes around?

Let me ask you this. When you go to a Richmond club function, do you put money in the collection plate when it comes around?
What's this got to do with anything we are talking about???? 

I'm not even a member of ANY church or ANY religious organisation. Do you want to know if Ive contributed? Why would you need to know that??? 

Do you REALLY want to make this a religious debate? I don't understand. If you want a theological debate I'll be a happy man.   
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« Reply #336 on: July 14, 2011, 12:46:55 PM »
Let me get this straight.

My position is this; I don't like ANY tax. I didn't want the GST. I don't want a TAX on carbon dioxide! I think it's crap and just an excuse for more money. 

So ALL you people, except maybe Tiga and Flags, are excited about a TAX?

I can't beleive it. You people are brainwashed. 

If you think I support it you must of missed all my posts on this thread.

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« Reply #337 on: July 14, 2011, 01:20:45 PM »
Let me get this straight.

My position is this; I don't like ANY tax. I didn't want the GST. I don't want a TAX on carbon dioxide! I think it's crap and just an excuse for more money. 

So ALL you people, except maybe Tiga and Flags, are excited about a TAX?

I can't beleive it. You people are brainwashed. 

If you think I support it you must of missed all my posts on this thread.
sorry tiger my mistake. Your not brainwashed then.  :cheers :thumbsup
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« Reply #338 on: July 14, 2011, 02:31:10 PM »
Bob on tv saying there should be a character test on media proprietors. The man wants Government to control our life. First it was the carbon tax that doesn't reduce any emissions its just wealth redistribution now this.

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« Reply #339 on: July 14, 2011, 03:47:08 PM »

sorry tiger my mistake. Your not brainwashed then.  :cheers :thumbsup

Just noticed your signature.

If you are going to quote the Bible you need to take out the line numbers.

That way you look a little less silly.

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9 Therefore God has highly exalted Him and bestowed on Him the name that is above every name, 10 so that at the name of Geez every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and every tongue confess that Geez Geez is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. Philippians 2:9-11

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« Reply #340 on: July 14, 2011, 06:25:07 PM »

sorry tiger my mistake. Your not brainwashed then.  :cheers :thumbsup

Just noticed your signature.

If you are going to quote the Bible you need to take out the line numbers.

That way you look a little less silly.

 :thumbsup

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9 Therefore God has highly exalted Him and bestowed on Him the name that is above every name, 10 so that at the name of Geez every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and every tongue confess that Geez Geez is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. Philippians 2:9-11
I fail to understand how that can make ME look silly. It's how it's written in bible. I just used copy and paste.  :thumbsup
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« Reply #341 on: July 14, 2011, 06:44:24 PM »

sorry tiger my mistake. Your not brainwashed then.  :cheers :thumbsup

Just noticed your signature.

If you are going to quote the Bible you need to take out the line numbers.

That way you look a little less silly.

 :thumbsup

'65

9 Therefore God has highly exalted Him and bestowed on Him the name that is above every name, 10 so that at the name of Geez every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and every tongue confess that Geez Geez is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. Philippians 2:9-11
I fail to understand how that can make ME look silly. It's how it's written in bible. I just used copy and paste.  :thumbsup

You cut and paste from an online version.

Just leave out the line numbers.

It's all good, I'm glad to see you are a Bible reading soul.

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Re: Australian Politics thread [merged]
« Reply #342 on: July 14, 2011, 06:50:21 PM »
Bob on tv saying there should be a character test on media proprietors. The man wants Government to control our life. First it was the carbon tax that doesn't reduce any emissions its just wealth redistribution now this.

I think you'll find this has to do with the fallout from The mire Murdock finds himself in in GB. With the tories in bed with some of the perpetrators the brits are finally waking up to just how dangerous it is to have media moguls influence politics.

Similar concerns are also being raised in the US
“For My thoughts are not your thoughts,
Nor are your ways my ways,” says the Lord.
 
“For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
So are my ways higher than your ways,
And my thoughts than your thoughts."

Yahweh? or the great Clawski?

yaw rehto eht dellorcs ti fi daer ot reisae eb dluow tI

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« Reply #343 on: July 14, 2011, 07:03:06 PM »
Let me get this straight.

My position is this; I don't like ANY tax. I didn't want the GST. I don't want a TAX on carbon dioxide! I think it's crap and just an excuse for more money. 

So ALL you people, except maybe Tiga and Flags, are excited about a TAX?

I can't beleive it. You people are brainwashed. 

Let me ask you this. When you go to your church, do you put money in the collection plate when it comes around?

Let me ask you this. When you go to a Richmond club function, do you put money in the collection plate when it comes around?
What's this got to do with anything we are talking about???? 

I'm not even a member of ANY church or ANY religious organisation. Do you want to know if Ive contributed? Why would you need to know that??? 

Do you REALLY want to make this a religious debate? I don't understand. If you want a theological debate I'll be a happy man.   

Nice analogy re the club, but IMHO my point stands unaddressed.

Happy to have a debate on this, theological, religious and scientific.

Start the thread.

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« Reply #344 on: July 14, 2011, 07:07:35 PM »
i think that went over his head, dooks.
“For My thoughts are not your thoughts,
Nor are your ways my ways,” says the Lord.
 
“For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
So are my ways higher than your ways,
And my thoughts than your thoughts."

Yahweh? or the great Clawski?

yaw rehto eht dellorcs ti fi daer ot reisae eb dluow tI