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[WilliamPowell]

So '65 please tell me how this reform will fix the gambling problem?

It wont because as I said before addicts will always find a way to gamble, they have to want to stop

[1965]

So '65 please tell me how this reform will fix the gambling problem?

It wont because as I said before addicts will always find a way to gamble, they have to want to stop

Allright a bit of personal info.

I am married to a health professional that works with the elderly in society.

She has seen first hand people trapped into a pokie addiction.

People who cannot turn to online gambling because they don't know how to use a computer.

People who have the local club as part of their lives.

The mandatory commitment I am not sold on.

But a simple $1 limit per push of the button on a Pokie machine can reduce the losses from $1200 per hour to $120 per hour.

Do the Maths.

The clubs are anti this because they know it will cost them profits.

'65

[1965]

Matthew 21:12-13

12 Geez entered the temple courts and drove out all who were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the money changers and the benches of those selling doves.
13 “It is written,” he said to them, “‘My house will be called a house of prayer, but you are making it ‘a den of robbers.”

 

[Penelope]

It's all just band aid solutions.

Addiction is addiction. To treat gambling addiction and any other addiction separately is wasteful.

The gambling, alcohol, sex, sugar even, is just how the real problem manifests itself

If you look deeper you find that there is a strong relationship between depression and addiction.

depression, like a number of other diseases most probably related to poor nutrition, is on the increase.

The question is Why?

answer that and you are half way to finding a solution.

To solve any problem, you need to identify the root cause.

By God, pokies are the most boring way to gamble i can think of. 

[tiga]

Props to you al. Very well put. 

65, not everyone who plays pokies has a gambling addiction. Once or twice a year i have a tap after a game of golf and blow my annual pokie budget of $40 and walk away. Many of the other guys I play golf with at my club do the same. If we lose it doesn't bother us because right in front of us is sitting a $10 prime scotch fillet with all the trimmings. Our Golf club turns the majority of the pokie takings back into benefits for the members. I can assure you that nobody at our club is getting rich from pokie takings. I get the annual report and you can see that the majority of pokie takings go back directly into member benefits and the remainder goes into a building fund.

[1965]

I thought Tony A was predicting the demise of the Mining Industry and of the Coal industry in particular?


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/companies/bhp-gives-go-ahead-for-4bn-coking-coal-project/story-fn91v9q3-1226183010235

BHP gives go-ahead for $4bn coking coal project

by: Matt Chambers
From:The Australian
November 02, 201112:00AM


BHP Billiton has approved the $US4.2 billion ($4bn) construction of the Caval Ridge coking coalmine in Queensland and expansion of the nearby Peak Downs mine, as it tries to ramp up output by 80 per cent by the end of the decade.

[tiga]

Losing a battle, change the subject. Works every time!    There really is no point in discussing anything with you anymore 65. You have one focus only and that is the total destruction of Tony Abbott or should we call him Dr Richard Kimble.  We offer discussion and all you do is rant  rant, quote, rant. You never consider that anyone else who opposes your anti Abbott sprays might have a valid opinion. You really are starting to sound like Charlie Brown's teacher.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ss2hULhXf04

I think its time you find someone else to hate....

[1965]

Losing a battle, change the subject. Works every time!    There really is no point in discussing anything with you anymore 65. You have one focus only and that is the total destruction of Tony Abbott or should we call him Dr Richard Kimble.  We offer discussion and all you do is rant  rant, quote, rant. You never consider that anyone else who opposes your anti Abbott sprays might have a valid opinion. You really are starting to sound like Charlie Brown's teacher.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ss2hULhXf04

I think its time you find someone else to hate....

Tony A will go down in history as the most divisive opposition leader in Australia's history.

 

[mightytiges]

By God, pokies are the most boring way to gamble i can think of. 

Spot on al. I don't see the attraction of pressing a button 100s of times  . A quick way to do your dough as well as there's no control or thought process. It's not like be able to count cards or doubling up losses on roulette's odds/evens or red/black until your win [Casinos fix upper limits on roulette bets to prevent this so the player loses more often].

[one-eyed]

The Carbon Tax legislation has just been passed by the Senate.

[10 FLAGS]

Losing a battle, change the subject. Works every time!    There really is no point in discussing anything with you anymore 65. You have one focus only and that is the total destruction of Tony Abbott or should we call him Dr Richard Kimble.  We offer discussion and all you do is rant  rant, quote, rant. You never consider that anyone else who opposes your anti Abbott sprays might have a valid opinion. You really are starting to sound like Charlie Brown's teacher.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ss2hULhXf04

I think its time you find someone else to hate....

Tony A will go down in history as the most divisive opposition leader in Australia's history.

 

And a 1000 times better Prime Minister than the clueless one we have running the show at the moment.

[1965]

For the Labor Party to win the next election the coalition needs to keep Tony A as it's leader.

Unfortunately this is increasing looking unlikely.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/opinion/super-backflip-breaks-dam-for-dr-no/story-e6frg74x-1226189350537

Super backflip breaks dam for Abbott

by: Paul Kelly, Editor-At-Large From:The Australian November

THE Tony Abbott-led Coalition's buckling before Labor's increase in the superannuation guarantee from 9 per cent to 12 per cent is a great victory for the Gillard government and signals the Coalition's admission that its political strategy is off the rails and needs correction.

Why is Abbott vulnerable? He is vulnerable because he has become Dr No, rejecting policies on populist grounds regardless of principle and past Coalition belief. By opposing virtually everything, he cheapens his case and credibility for opposing what matters.

This meant abandonment of Liberal thinking that super contributions should reflect individual choice and the embrace of Labor boosting national savings via compulsion. Many senior Liberals are angry, not just opposition finance spokesman Andrew Robb. Much more will be said about this.

and
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/opposition-anger-at-tony-abbotts-policy-consultation/story-fn59niix-1226189467424

Opposition anger at Tony Abbott's policy consultation

by: Matthew Franklin, Chief political correspondent
From:The Australian
November 09, 2011

TONY Abbott faces criticism from within his own party for not seeking frontbench approval for a new anti-dumping policy attacked by Labor as out of step with World Trade Organisation rules.

Several MPs said they were concerned Mr Abbott was not consulting colleagues closely enough in policy formulation and had become too close to the Nationals.

They said an anti-dumping policy released on Monday, which reversed the onus of proof of dumping from Australian companies to their overseas competitors, had not been approved by the opposition front bench.

[1965]

and...

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/opinion/dr-no-deeper-in-negative-territory/story-e6frgd0x-1226189355642

Dr No deeper in negative territory

by: Peter van Onselen, Contributing editor From:The Australian November 09, 2011

Negative campaigning is starting to do more harm than good. If Abbott doesn't move from a tactical to a strategic approach, the polls will tighten further. Dissatisfaction in Coalition ranks is rife. Because of good polling it has never translated into leadership speculation. If Labor's numbers improve again in time for the start of the final sitting week, on the back of the Obama visit and the passage of the carbon tax, we'll see what happens.

Better still, Labor has all of next year (assuming the government survives) to contrast its plans (for better or worse) with Abbott's miserable (lack of an) alternative

Abbott's policy on IR is non-existent. His strategy to repeal Labor laws looks increasingly shrill and loosely applied. The superannuation backflip may be a sign of things to come. Anger at that decision goes right through the ranks of the parliamentary Liberals.

[1965]

This thread has gone a little quiet.

Where are all those right-wing Abbott lovers gone?

 

[10 FLAGS]

All these things dont matter in the end Labor has no electoral credibility. Idi Amin could beat Gillard at an election. Gillard is hopeless and Labor will get Slaughtered. Socialist media types will print crap to try and bring Labor back but Labor is in the hole and thats where they'll be staying for the next 15 years after the next federal election.