Australian Politics thread [merged]

[WilliamPowell]

Actually I going to give Tony Abbott a  before giving him a 

heard him on Gold104 yesterday morning ans he was asked about the car industry. Said he would if PM continue to support because he understands how importnat it is to the country. Went on to say he was down in Geelong and talking to locals who said to him Geelong would "die" without Ford, he said he understood their concerns then he asked a very interesting question of the locals "how many of you own a Ford?" Answer was None. Tone said rightly govt's can help but the commnunity needs to as well by buying the cars. For that i give him a 

he stuffed up that positive by saying that if he was to give $$$ to the car industry he'd want a guarantee that no jobs would be lost, unlike the current govt  who just gives the money away. Now please Tony don't treat us like morons. You and I both know that you cannot get such a guarantee, try and pull that stunt and the car makers will just shut down production, they hold the aces sir, not you. So for that you get a  , started well and then the foot went in the mouth

So folks never let it be said I dont' priase the twit 

[Rampstar]

the car industry is dead in Australia.

Why would anyone in Australia buy a Ford Falcon or a Holden Commodore for say $40,000 when you can buy a BMW or a Mercedes 250A or a VW Golf or a really nice european car for about the same price. Its not logical. Everyone (me included) would buy the badge. The only car industry we will have in Australia soon is the car dealerships. Unless of course Holden and Ford change strategy and they start selling smaller cars as a priority.

[mightytiges]

I can't believe Turnbull was stupid enough to put his name to the Coalition's latest attempt at a broadband policy. What a dud! Yep Abbott knows what people will only need for future decades . The only ones that will be happy will be Telstra. They have an ageing copper asset that they'll now know an Abbott Government will need. Telstra would be equally stupid handing it over for free when they'll have an Abbott Government over a barrel. Then add the high maintenance costs for the ageing copper infrastructure. Typical short-sighted political policy that will cost us more in the long run than doing it properly in the first place  .

Under the coalition policy won't you be able to pay for Fibre from the Node to your house.

Yep ...... at a cost of $4000-$5000 and if you move house you'll need to pay for it again to connect to the new place. So the vast majority of the population will be relying on aging old school copper infrastructure that will be increasingly costly to maintain (which we'll be forced to pay for via our taxes) and won't be upgradeable when higher speeds are required as the decades progress. It's a dud policy that will cost us more in the long run.

[WilliamPowell]

the car industry is dead in Australia.

Why would anyone in Australia buy a Ford Falcon or a Holden Commodore for say $40,000 when you can buy a BMW or a Mercedes 250A or a VW Golf or a really nice european car for about the same price. Its not logical. Everyone (me included) would buy the badge. The only car industry we will have in Australia soon is the car dealerships. Unless of course Holden and Ford change strategy and they start selling smaller cars as a priority.

Understand what you are saying Ramps, it's an argument we have in our household often, why pay $40k for a local car when you can get in import a lot cheaper?

But the reality is no Govt and it doesn't which political side we are talking about will allow our car industry to fold. No of them, they simply cannot afford too and they none of them want to be the "one" who killed it off. And the car companies know it

[Rampstar]

the car industry is dead in Australia.

Why would anyone in Australia buy a Ford Falcon or a Holden Commodore for say $40,000 when you can buy a BMW or a Mercedes 250A or a VW Golf or a really nice european car for about the same price. Its not logical. Everyone (me included) would buy the badge. The only car industry we will have in Australia soon is the car dealerships. Unless of course Holden and Ford change strategy and they start selling smaller cars as a priority.

Understand what you are saying Ramps, it's an argument we have in our household often, why pay $40k for a local car when you can get in import a lot cheaper?

But the reality is no Govt and it doesn't which political side we are talking about will allow our car industry to fold. No of them, they simply cannot afford too and they none of them want to be the "one" who killed it off. And the car companies know it

Agree the political cost is too high but these car companies always call for more taxpayer assistance. How about they get that assistance but they also have to start producing smaller stylish cars that can compete with their european rivals.

[dwaino]

Since when does a new Commodore or Falcon cost $40k?    A new XR6 isn't even that. Can drive away a new Falcon for under $35k.

They do produce smaller, stylish cars. They can stick those cars though. I love bigger and roomier cars, and my late model Ford G6 ($39k new for entry model, $3-5k more for E and turbo versions) looks just as good and has just as many, if not more luxury features than those wanky Euro imports. Support local and keep the jobs local. Not to mention the money you will save on parts and servicing.

[WilliamPowell]

Since when does a new Commodore or Falcon cost $40k?    A new XR6 isn't even that. Can drive away a new Falcon for under $35k.

They do produce smaller, stylish cars. They can stick those cars though. I love bigger and roomier cars, and my late model Ford G6 ($39k new for entry model, $3-5k more for E and turbo versions) looks just as good and has just as many, if not more luxury features than those wanky Euro imports. Support local and keep the jobs local. Not to mention the money you will save on parts and servicing.

just checked the Ford web-site and it is saying the starting price for the latest Ford Falcon entry model is $44,015 drive away, ditto the Territory. Holden web-site saying a Commodore Omega is $44,021 drive away

But understand your point dwaino, we have 2 cars. One of them is Falcon Xr6 and it's a fantastic car on all levels and we got it a special price which was about $8-9K less than it's normal price. With Ford just to need to keep an eye for their special offers and you can pick up a bargain

And BTW Ramps, Holden already builds a small car in Aust - the Cruze, the govt funded the cost to make the necessary adjustments to their assembly line to make it happen

[1965]

Well, well, well.

 

One Nation co-founder sues Abbott for $1.5m

Tony Abbott is being sued over his role in attacking the One Nation party. (AAP: Lukas Coch)
 
Legal papers have been served on Opposition Leader Tony Abbott by the co-founder of the now-defunct One Nation party.

David Ettridge is suing for $1.5 million, accusing Mr Abbott of acting unlawfully in 1998 by assisting and encouraging litigation against One Nation that led to the party being deregistered.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-04-16/one-nation-founder-sues-abbott/4633398

[Judge Roughneck]

http://wap.myfoxboston.com/w/main/story/89446783/#ixzz2QdbUfrar

Plane brought back to gate at Logan Airport
Apr 16, 2013 8:26 a.m.
   
BOSTON (MyFoxBoston.com) - Sources told FOX 25 there was an American Airlines flight that was headed to Chicago. There were two men on that plane - not sitting next to each other - and speaking Arabic.

There were some concerned marathoners on the flight so the plane was brought back to the gate and the two men were escorted off the plane.

No other details were immediately available.

[Francois Jackson]

Nice deficit Swan. Unbelievable

It will be the Libs who will have to clean up their mess once again

They are going to cop the mother if all hidings

[1965]

Nice deficit Swan. Unbelievable

It will be the Libs who will have to clean up their mess once again

They are going to cop the mother if all hidings

Labor will lose but it is still a long way to go.

Labor will fight on the following issues:

1. Education: Labor's Gonski funding vs Abbott saying Education doesn't need extra funding

2. NBN: Labors plan vs a very weak alternative from the Libs.

The more policies the Libs announce the worse they look.

 

[tiger101]

Nice deficit Swan. Unbelievable

It will be the Libs who will have to clean up their mess once again

They are going to cop the mother if all hidings

Labor will lose but it is still a long way to go.

Labor will fight on the following issues:

1. Education: Labor's Gonski funding vs Abbott saying Education doesn't need extra funding

2. NBN: Labors plan vs a very weak alternative from the Libs.

The more policies the Libs announce the worse they look.

 

And how will Swan pay for all these projects. People understand that we can't keep borrowing forever.

[Francois Jackson]

Nice deficit Swan. Unbelievable

It will be the Libs who will have to clean up their mess once again

They are going to cop the mother if all hidings

Labor will lose but it is still a long way to go.

Labor will fight on the following issues:

1. Education: Labor's Gonski funding vs Abbott saying Education doesn't need extra funding

2. NBN: Labors plan vs a very weak alternative from the Libs.

The more policies the Libs announce the worse they look.

 

65 whether its a month to go or a year to go. the ALP are finished for many years to come.

You probably know more than me but it seems they will lose and lose big. Labour voters i speak with have all jumped ship, regardless of abbott.

NBN is that even an argument? Just asking because IMO its the biggest waste of money ive ever seen, second only to the desal plant, which i understand was a state thing.

Faster speeds. hehe come to my place lightning quick or go old my old mans holiday house, very quick over there.

How about my 94 year old grandma, yep NBN will do wonders for her.

i dont even think we even know the the truth about what the actual cost is on this project. One thing is for sure we will all be paying for it for many years to come.

[Rampstar]

When Rudd and Gillard took over from the Howard Government Australia had no public debt whatsoever and money in the bank. In 5 years the ALP have almost bankrupted Australia in almost exactly the same way that the socialists bankrupted Greece. It took the socialists in Greece 30 years to bank Greece (they were in government for pretty much 75% of the time) Its taken the ALP just 5 years (and they did it whilst Australia was the beneficiary of a massive mining boom)

Its an absolute disgrace what Federal Labor have done to this country. We will all be paying for their stupidity over the next 10 and 20 years. Higher taxes probably an expansion of the GST (which will hit the poorest people the most), less money on Education and Health, its just a disgrace. They should hold their heads in shame the Labor Party should. Its been a shameful period of government in this country.

[dwaino]

Nice deficit Swan. Unbelievable

It will be the Libs who will have to clean up their mess once again

They are going to cop the mother if all hidings

Labor will lose but it is still a long way to go.

Labor will fight on the following issues:

1. Education: Labor's Gonski funding vs Abbott saying Education doesn't need extra funding

2. NBN: Labors plan vs a very weak alternative from the Libs.

The more policies the Libs announce the worse they look.

 

65 whether its a month to go or a year to go. the ALP are finished for many years to come.

You probably know more than me but it seems they will lose and lose big. Labour voters i speak with have all jumped ship, regardless of abbott.

NBN is that even an argument? Just asking because IMO its the biggest waste of money ive ever seen, second only to the desal plant, which i understand was a state thing.

Faster speeds. hehe come to my place lightning quick or go old my old mans holiday house, very quick over there.

How about my 94 year old grandma, yep NBN will do wonders for her.

i dont even think we even know the the truth about what the actual cost is on this project. One thing is for sure we will all be paying for it for many years to come.

Does your 94 year old gran use a land line?