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Re: Australian Politics thread [merged]
« Reply #1590 on: July 24, 2013, 09:46:44 PM »
The Bolter WP?

Yep Bolt.

Right wing tripe of the highest order
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« Reply #1591 on: July 25, 2013, 05:52:43 AM »

The coalition were either lying about the effect of the Carbon tax or they are grossly incompetent.

Take your pick.


Inflation figures expose carbon scare campaign

Date July 25, 2013
Tim Colebatch
Tim Colebatch is The Age's economic editor.

Some wrecking ball that was! Australia's first year with a carbon tax has ended with inflation so low that it was only the carbon tax that kept inflation from falling out of the Reserve Bank's target range.

The Bureau of Statistics reports that in the year to June, consumer prices rose 2.4 per cent on the raw data, 2.3 per cent after seasonal adjustment, and 2.2 per cent on the trimmed mean measure, which strips out the biggest price rises and falls to define underlying inflation.

If you take out the September quarter - as the next set of inflation figures will - then inflation over the nine months to June was running at an annualised rate of just 1.3 per cent. Underlying inflation is tracking at 2 per cent.

And while the dollar has fallen in the past three months and petrol prices have jumped, it's odds-on that the next measure of inflation will start with a 1.

That is low inflation by any measure. It shows the Coalition's scare campaign against the carbon tax was just a scare campaign. And it sets no bar to the Reserve Bank board cutting interest rates again on Tuesday week if it believes the state of the economy warrants it.


Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/business/inflation-figures-expose-carbon-scare-campaign-20130724-2qjmv.html#ixzz2Zzhvm5xE
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« Reply #1592 on: July 25, 2013, 03:42:29 PM »

The coalition were either lying about the effect of the Carbon tax or they are grossly incompetent.

Take your pick.


Inflation figures expose carbon scare campaign

Date July 25, 2013
Tim Colebatch
Tim Colebatch is The Age's economic editor.

Some wrecking ball that was! Australia's first year with a carbon tax has ended with inflation so low that it was only the carbon tax that kept inflation from falling out of the Reserve Bank's target range.

The Bureau of Statistics reports that in the year to June, consumer prices rose 2.4 per cent on the raw data, 2.3 per cent after seasonal adjustment, and 2.2 per cent on the trimmed mean measure, which strips out the biggest price rises and falls to define underlying inflation.

If you take out the September quarter - as the next set of inflation figures will - then inflation over the nine months to June was running at an annualised rate of just 1.3 per cent. Underlying inflation is tracking at 2 per cent.

And while the dollar has fallen in the past three months and petrol prices have jumped, it's odds-on that the next measure of inflation will start with a 1.

That is low inflation by any measure. It shows the Coalition's scare campaign against the carbon tax was just a scare campaign. And it sets no bar to the Reserve Bank board cutting interest rates again on Tuesday week if it believes the state of the economy warrants it.


Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/business/inflation-figures-expose-carbon-scare-campaign-20130724-2qjmv.html#ixzz2Zzhvm5xE

All of them lie. Why do you post just the lib ones?

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Re: Australian Politics thread [merged]
« Reply #1593 on: July 25, 2013, 05:04:30 PM »


All of them lie. Why do you post just the lib ones?

1965 only posts articles that attack the Liberals. His more of a one-eyed ALP supporter then his a one eyed richmond supporter.



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« Reply #1594 on: July 25, 2013, 05:16:35 PM »
 :lol
 ive often thought the same thing about a number of people here. They will happily stick the boots into richmond but will not accept anything bad about the political party they barrack for (or good about the opposition)

why dont some of you liberal party barrackers simply put up an equivalent article about the ALP every time '65 puts up one of his liberal bashing articles?
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« Reply #1595 on: July 25, 2013, 05:41:38 PM »


All of them lie. Why do you post just the lib ones?

1965 only posts articles that attack the Liberals. His more of a one-eyed ALP supporter then his a one eyed richmond supporter.

More anti-Abbott than pro-Labor.

Used to vote Democrat and then voted Greens.

But the Greens lost me when they put ideology before lives and were happy to have people drown at sea.

I'm voting for Julian Assange.

 :cheers

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« Reply #1596 on: July 25, 2013, 05:43:01 PM »

Have a read and learn some facts.

http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/3886792.html

I dont read leftist trash from organisations like the ABC

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« Reply #1597 on: July 25, 2013, 06:55:39 PM »

why dont some of you liberal party barrackers simply put up an equivalent article about the ALP every time '65 puts up one of his liberal bashing articles?

Because the age-old adage "2 wrongs don't make a right" is pertinent.

And bloody boring.

 ;D

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« Reply #1598 on: July 25, 2013, 06:58:22 PM »

I'm voting for Julian Assange.

Which immediately removes any point of moral high ground you have when whacking others for voting Pauline, Clive or Bob.

 ;D

But seriously '65, this guy is a grub regardless of the side of politics he espouses.

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« Reply #1599 on: July 25, 2013, 07:07:15 PM »
WP if I'm not mistaken Bolts used to be either an advisor,or speech writer for hawke/keating

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Re: Australian Politics thread [merged]
« Reply #1600 on: July 25, 2013, 07:07:32 PM »

I'm voting for Julian Assange.

Which immediately removes any point of moral high ground you have when whacking others for voting Pauline, Clive or Bob.

 ;D

But seriously '65, this guy is a grub regardless of the side of politics he espouses.

 :clapping :clapping

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« Reply #1601 on: July 25, 2013, 07:08:31 PM »
WP if I'm not mistaken Bolts used to be either an advisor,or speech writer for hawke/keating

I don't know but his vitriolic columns are pathetic
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« Reply #1602 on: July 25, 2013, 08:21:38 PM »
WP if I'm not mistaken Bolts used to be either an advisor,or speech writer for hawke/keating

I don't know but his vitriolic columns are pathetic
Two stints for Hawke, WP.  I dug this article up and regardless of what you think of him as a person or his views it makes an interesting read just from the perspective of how people follow an uncharted road in life and end up at an unforecast destination:

One of the great paradoxes of Bolt's career is his two periods of service as a Labor staffer. It's a detail which inevitably confounds critics and supporters alike. But like most things in Bolt's life, it wasn't part of any grand design, instead it was just another accidental circumstance. ‘I went to Darwin as a minder for a belly dancer who was my then girlfriend', says Bolt. ‘I soon got bored, went to the local Commonwealth Employment Service office and on the pin board they had a job as a political staffer. I don't even know if the party was nominated. Anyway, I applied for it and it was the Federal Member for the Northern Territory, John Reeves, who's a lovely bloke. It was supposed to be a temporary thing because one of his staff got sick, but it worked out so well that I stayed for the election.'

It was during this period that Bolt befriended Gary Gray, who at the time was working for Bob Collins, then the Leader of the Opposition in the Northern Territory. When Bolt reflects on this period he recalls himself as an interested observer rather than a participant. ‘The other people did the politics. I was really just in their shadow and enjoying it. It was just really intoxicating and it was the first time I got that real buzz you get from politics which is really dangerous. You know that space where you're so convinced that your side is right and in those conditions the other side is immoral and therefore you're excused all sorts of things. You start thinking: "they're immoral so why should you be nice to them? Why should you follow all the rules?'''

John Reeves lost his seat (and later went on to be a Federal Court Judge) and Andrew Bolt, now unemployed, returned to Melbourne at The Age only to soon be offered a job by then editor of The Herald, Neil Mitchell.

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His Indian sojourn over, Bolt returned to Australia and called his old friend Gary Gray, seeking employment in Canberra so he could be with Sally. It was 1987 and the Hawke Labor Government was chasing its third election win in a row, something federal Labor hadn't achieved since the Curtin/Chifley Labor Government of the 1940s.

Gray found Bolt a job with aNiMaLS, the feared Labor attack machine of the Hawke and Keating years. aNiMaLS was the moniker given to the more prosaic, official title of National Media Liaison Service. But aNiMaLS was a highly political unit led by Labor apparatchiks which specialised in opposition research, rapid tactical response and marginal seat campaigning. Other alumni of aNiMaLS include the respected and ubiquitous David Epstein (a former chief of staff to Kevin Rudd); Labor veteran Colin Campbell; Rosemary Church, now a presenter with CNN; Col Parkes; and the highly-regarded Jack Lake, a long time Labor operative and also most recently a former senior advisor to Kevin Rudd.

Unsurprisingly, Bolt recalls his role at aNiMaLS as mostly perfunctory, performing largely rudimentary tasks. ‘We were ostensibly a government department and so technically we couldn't do party business. But we did. When Parliament wasn't sitting I'd fly around the country doing party audits of the press functions of various local Labor members of parliament if they wanted it. I'd go into a marginal seat and I would say: "well, this is what you could do with the material we're giving you to get a bit better publicity." And when parliament was sitting we'd print up these little four page things where we'd package up the message of the day. It was designed so the local member could just drop in their name as well as the figure of spending for their electorate and "bang" they had their press release!'
Despite Bolt's pessimism at the time that Labor would lose the 1987 election, Hawke capitalised on the disarray in Coalition ranks caused in some part by the ‘Joh for PM' sideshow and increased his government's majority from 16 to 24 seats.


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« Reply #1603 on: July 26, 2013, 09:25:10 AM »

why dont some of you liberal party barrackers simply put up an equivalent article about the ALP every time '65 puts up one of his liberal bashing articles?

Because the age-old adage "2 wrongs don't make a right" is pertinent.

And bloody boring.

 ;D
:lol

that surprises me about bolt as he is clearly a member of the radical right.

it's a strange phenomena, all the shock jocks and highly opinionated collumists seems to from the radical right.

where are the looney left shock jocks and controversial columists?

(no not the ABC. they get a defacto gig on "entertainment" shows but the ABC does not allow editorial type comment)
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« Reply #1604 on: July 26, 2013, 07:15:16 PM »
Here's a fact that is relevant to me, regardless of which side of politics you support:

Almost every single refugee that arrives here does so after passing through other countries first.  As soon as a refugee transits through 1 or more countries before arriving at a final destination then they have ceased to become a refugee in my eyes and are nothing more than a queue-jumping country shopper, and are deserving of no preferential or priority treatment.  A genuine refugee fleeing political or religious persecution does not need to continue a journey through several countries who are UN member states and are signatories to the UNHCR Refugee Convention.  Why should we compromise our national security and increase the burden on our economy to assist people who choose to break the legal and moral barriers to live here?  I have no problem with admitting people from any country in the world and our country is certainly far richer for the multi-cultural influences we have but I refuse to accept that we must cut corners and lower standards for checking the bona-fides of any immigrant.  We owe this to ourselves and our children who will inherit this country after we have passed on.  We don't owe Indonesia, Malaysia, PNG, Nauru or any other neighbouring country a damned thing when it comes to looking after our self-interests first.
Playing devil's advocate here but couldn't it be argued based on that argument that displaced Europeans post-WWII should have been re-settled in countries closer to Europe than re-settling them all the way away in Australia, NZ, Canada and the USA where most of them went? In fact it could be argued along similar lines that they should have just remained in Europe given it was now safe with the war and Axis-power occupation of their own countries over.

It makes perfect sense to me why these asylum seekers choose Australia because if I was in their shoes I would choose Australia too. It's the best country on Earth - it's a first world country, a long history of political, social and economical stability, a land of wide open spaces, freedom and opportunity, Oprah called it paradise  ;D, etc ... Through my work I remember being in Germany for a conference and speaking to a colleague from Brazil and he mentioned that people in first-world nations have no comprehension of what it's really like living in a second/third-world nation even one that is classed as stable. This bloke was a professional working and living in Sao Paulo and he had to live in a middle-class suburb surrounded by security walls to constantly protect his home and family. The world is split where 10% of world's population holds onto 90% of the wealth. If you happen to live a country that represents one of the other 90% where large sections of the country are lawless and corruption is rife and you have the financial means to try and get your family out of there to a better life in a first-world nation then why wouldn't you?

Playing devil's advocate once again in answer to these people being "queue jumpers" - Should private health insurance be abolished because an individual with the financial means can pay to get the doctor, treatment and hospital of their choice straight away and jump the 'queue' ahead of a pensioner needing a hip replacement who is forced along with many others to wait years in the queue? A Libertarian would argue the right of the individual should outweigh the dictation of the state and answer in favour of private health insurance. Yet the ability of an individual with the means to pay $$$ to live in the country of their choice is denied.
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