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« Reply #1935 on: November 28, 2013, 12:59:30 PM »
Lying pack of bastards. Julia broke one promise and had crap for three years about it.
 

Abbott's boulevard of broken promises
 
November 28, 2013 - 11:36AM
Gareth Hutchens

They promised before the election to be a “no-surprises” government.

But since winning power the Abbott government has lengthened its list of broken promises and policy surprises by more than one a week.

Just two days ago, the Federal Minister for Education, Christopher Pyne, performed a brazen policy back-flip on school funding, saying he would no longer accept Labor's funding and overall model despite Tony Abbott making this pre-election promise: ''We will honour the agreements that Labor has entered into. We will match the offers that Labor has made. We will make sure that no school is worse off.''

A few weeks ago, the Coalition's pre-election commitment to ''turn back the boats'' was broken after Immigration Minister Scott Morrison ended a tense standoff with Jakarta - which was refusing to accept a boatload of asylum seekers - by ordering the boat to be taken to Christmas Island.

Last month, Treasurer Joe Hockey said he wanted to increase the debt ceiling from $300 billion to $500 billion. That was after the Coalition attacked the then Labor government's decision in May last year to raise Australia's debt ceiling from $250 billion to $300 billion, which Tony Abbott described at the time as ''really extraordinary''.

''What Joe Hockey is now doing on both the commission of cuts and on the issue of the debt ceiling is a million miles away from the expectations he gave the Australian people before the election,'' Labor finance spokesman Tony Burke said about the Coalition's recent decision to raise the debt limit.

Mr Abbott also promised before the election to have a government ''which is transparent and open'', saying ''the last thing we want to do is to hide anything from the Australian people''.

Since then, Immigration Minister Scott Morrison has implemented a highly restrictive regime regarding information on border protection.

The Coalition has also surprised voters by abolishing the portfolio of minister for science, sending no minister to climate talks in Poland, and deciding to only have one female cabinet minister.

These things appear to fly in the face of Mr Abbott's campaign launch pledge:

''We will be a no-surprises, no-excuses government, because you are sick of nasty surprises and lame excuses from people that you have trusted with your future.''


Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/abbotts-boulevard-of-broken-promises-20131127-2yac4.html#ixzz2ltwm7itD
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« Reply #1936 on: December 01, 2013, 04:57:11 PM »
A Labor government created the problem with Indonesia, but only the Prime Minister can fix it. So far, he has done nothing other than place fresh impediments in the path of a solution, writes Barrie Cassidy.
How is it Labor's fault that Australian (as well other countries') secrets relating to surveillance were leaked to the press by an American computer specialist on some self-proclaimed anti-government secrecy crusade who once worked for America's National Security Agency?

In any case, the anger from the Indonesia president isn't now about the actual spying (every country spies) but about Australia's (in other words Abbott's) response to it and that the response was done in parliament which the Indonesians saw as Australia/Abbott being dismissive of the whole incident. I can just imagine the outrage here if the situation was reversed and Indonesia just said to us "hey chill out, everybody spies"; especially the outrage from certain conservative media outlets/commentators.

Unlike you to be so misleading MT.

That quote was from Barry Cassidy not me.

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« Reply #1937 on: December 01, 2013, 05:30:31 PM »
MT would be a fitting PM and would launch off the Queen which i think is a good thing.
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He [Abbott] is a man of high integrity and honour
I would say Abbott's integrity and honour are Gonski :yep.
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« Reply #1938 on: December 01, 2013, 05:51:56 PM »

Even Andrew Bolt is amazed that Abbott has gone back on his word.

His comment was something like "Why not just spend an extra Billion dollars to keep your promise on education?"

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This will come back to haunt Abbott and the Libs.



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« Reply #1939 on: December 01, 2013, 06:03:30 PM »
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Despite Mr Abbott becoming opposition leader on December 1, 2009, all his speeches and media statements before July 2010 have disappeared. And at least two recent transcripts have also been expunged from the public record.

They include an interview on Sky with Chris Kenny in which Mr Abbott vowed to lift foreign aid - a position he later reversed - and a speech to the conservative Institute of Public Affairs.
In March, Mr Abbott was quizzed about whether he would heed the advice of former finance minister Nick Minchin, who said the Coalition could save billions of dollars by freezing the growth of foreign aid.

Mr Abbott said: ''Our policy and that of the [then-Labor] government is to lift foreign aid to 0.5 per cent of gross national [income] … It does remain our commitment … we are a generous people, we don't want to be niggardly in respect of our poorer neighbours.''

Five months later, the Coalition said it would cut foreign aid growth over the forward estimates, saving $4.5 billion.
In April he gave a speech to the Institute of Public Affairs decrying the ''great Australian silence'' about its Western heritage.


Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/tony-abbotts-controversial-speeches-wiped-20131130-2yiez.html#ixzz2p28kFssF


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« Reply #1940 on: December 01, 2013, 07:09:03 PM »
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« Reply #1941 on: December 01, 2013, 07:09:30 PM »
Honestly I don't know why so many people hold politicians to account on what they say..Both left and right of our political spectrum twist the truth to suit themselves.I have reached the stage where I don't believe any of them.
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« Reply #1942 on: December 01, 2013, 07:24:46 PM »

Doublethink from Tony.

Scary thing is I think he might believe what he is saying.

From the Age today:

''We are going to keep the promise that we made – not the promise that some people thought that we made, or the promise that some people might have liked us to make. We are going to keep the promise that we actually made,'' he said.


Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/gonski-fallout-tony-abbott-denies-broken-schools-promise-20131201-2yjaf.html#ixzz2mD3VyAJO
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« Reply #1943 on: December 01, 2013, 07:39:30 PM »
Honestly I don't know why so many people hold politicians to account on what they say..Both left and right of our political spectrum twist the truth to suit themselves.I have reached the stage where I don't believe any of them.
The only time I listen to what they say is when they leave politics.

Politicians lie often. No doubt most people know this.

The scary part (IMO) is when it becomes blatantly Orwellian.


Doublethink from Tony.

Scary thing is I think he might believe what he is saying.

From the Age today:

''We are going to keep the promise that we made – not the promise that some people thought that we made, or the promise that some people might have liked us to make. We are going to keep the promise that we actually made,'' he said.


Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/gonski-fallout-tony-abbott-denies-broken-schools-promise-20131201-2yjaf.html#ixzz2mD3VyAJO

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« Reply #1944 on: December 03, 2013, 05:49:00 AM »
The worst government I have ever seen.

And they are only 10 weeks in.

This was all about the pressure the newspapers put on them

Christopher Pyne should never told the press they were stupid.

Arrogant little prick has NFI

Gonski reversal: Tony Abbott backflips, puts $1.2b into schools
Date December 2, 2013
Jonathan Swan
National political reporter

The Abbott government has reversed its position again on the Gonski education funding, saying it will honour all existing deals for the next four years, and add an extra $1.2 billion into the system.

In a joint press conference held at Parliament House in Canberra, Prime Minister Tony Abbott and Education Minister Christopher Pyne sought to put an end to the damaging headlines about the government's ‘‘broken promise’’ on education.

Last week Mr Pyne said the government would honour Labor’s agreement for only one year. But in Monday's press conference Mr Abbott said that over the past 11 days Mr Pyne had secured ‘‘in principle’’ agreements with the states and territory that had not signed up to Labor’s funding reforms.

‘‘Following negotiations with Queensland, Western Australia and the Northern Territory the government has secured a national agreement on school funding,’’ Mr Abbott said. As a result, the Abbott government will inject a further $1.2 billion into schools over the next four years.

This was money that Labor had earmarked for three jurisdictions, but had to withdraw because they did not sign deals with the previous education minister Bill Shorten.

Mr Abbott said the Coalition had identified $1.2 billion worth of cuts to cover the new spending. The cuts would be revealed when the mid-year economic and fiscal outlook was released later in December, the Prime Minister said.

Monday’s announcement was the Coalition’s third backflip on education policy within the past six months.

Throughout its term in opposition, the Coalition, and in particular then shadow education minister Christopher Pyne, had referred to the Gonski scheme as a “con-ski”.

But during the election campaign Mr Abbott and Mr Pyne shocked many when they announced they would match Labor’s school funding program dollar for dollar for the next four years and that no school would be worse off under an Abbott government.

Mr Abbott used the campaign announcement to nullify education as a policy weakness for the Coalition, allowing him to say he was on a “unity ticket” with Labor on education.

Then, last week, Mr Pyne described Labor’s education funding deals as a “shambles” and said the Abbott government would match the deals for only one year. But the Education Minister would not repeat his pre-election promise that no school would be worse off under the Coalition.

After a week of damaging headlines, in which even the NSW Coalition government attacked the Abbott government for its broken promises on education, Mr Abbott and Mr Pyne reversed their position once again.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/gonski-reversal-tony-abbott-backflips-puts-12b-into-schools-20131202-2yl79.html#ixzz2mLQLv2bO
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« Reply #1945 on: December 03, 2013, 07:39:09 PM »
Honestly I don't know why so many people hold politicians to account on what they say..Both left and right of our political spectrum twist the truth to suit themselves.I have reached the stage where I don't believe any of them.
The only time I listen to what they say is when they leave politics.

Suppose some of us havent given up, and think holding politicians to account can make change.

I guess its the principle.

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« Reply #1946 on: December 04, 2013, 11:26:25 AM »
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« Reply #1947 on: December 04, 2013, 01:44:32 PM »

More evidence of who is really in charge of the Libs. (and this is from a Liberal senator)


Government senator takes swipe at 'obsessive control phobia' of PM's office
 
December 4, 2013 - 1:00PM

Jonathan Swan

Tony Abbott and his chief of staff Peta Credlin are enforcing a culture of “obsessive centralised control phobia” and are out of touch with voters, according to Liberal National Party senator Ian Macdonald, who has delivered a scathing attack on the Prime Minister’s office.

Senator Macdonald is furious that he has not been consulted about the government’s terms of reference for its Northern Australia policies, saying he “discovered” them by accident and was treated dismissively by the Prime Minister’s office.

“What you see in the terms of reference submitted by the government may be the Prime Minister’s office’s version of what it was all about,” Senator Macdonald said.

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“But I have to advise them and my constituents that I will not have unelected advisers in the Prime Minister’s office telling elected politicians who are actually in touch with their constituencies what should and shouldn’t be done.”

Before the election and for many years, Senator Macdonald was the shadow parliamentary secretary for northern and remote Australia. He was responsible for the Coalition's northern Australia election policy, and launched it alongside Mr Abbott.

He was however, dropped from the Coalition’s frontbench in September, calling it the worst day in his life.

The Queensland senator said he was “particularly disappointed” at the Prime Minister’s office’s dismissive responses to his “many enquiries” about the government’s terms of reference.

Mr Abbott’s staff seemed “to have an almost obsessive centralised control phobia, over this and every other aspect of Parliament,” Senator Macdonald said.

The senator said he was not elected to this Parliament by the Prime Minister’s office “but by the Liberal National Party … and by the voters of Queensland, particularly those in the north”.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/government-senator-takes-swipe-at-obsessive-control-phobia-of-pms-office-20131204-2yq39.html#ixzz2mTCrxzJo
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« Reply #1948 on: December 04, 2013, 10:01:19 PM »

I have been served by experts but this is unbelievable.
 
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Christopher Pyne, the joker in pack, could bring down Tony Abbott

Date December 4, 2013

Christopher Pyne is right to feel disappointed. Yes, he was the second-youngest MP ever, and yes, he is undoubtedly the prissiest, most precious and precocious petal among a bunch of preening peacocks, and yet there's one thing that has continually eluded Pyne. Respect. It's difficult to see how any of his antics over the past week will change that.

Before writing a profile, one might usually make at least some cursory attempt to speak to the subject. In this way one hopes to gain further illumination, perhaps even inside knowledge to explain the otherwise incomprehensible. In the case of Pyne, however, this is utterly unnecessary.

That's because his public persona has expanded to consume any remaining, lingering vestiges of his own personality. The discovery of anything contradictory (that, for example, he's actually intelligent and interesting) would be completely disregarded. After all, you've seen him in action! His image is now the reality.

The last time I spoke to Pyne (at a Thai embassy function), he was quite agreeable. But that was while he was in opposition - power reveals new dimensions even in the shallowest personality. Thus, although Pyne's previously held senior positions, from parliamentary secretary, assistant minister and, eventually, (and most implausibly given his perpetually juvenile approach to life) the minister for ageing, Pyne has never actually been allowed to do anything.

Perhaps there's a reason. He's apparently been too busy making points-of-order to get across the detail of the education portfolio he's been shadowing since 2008. Or maybe Pyne's been around the green carpets and wood panelling of Parliament for a bit too long. Perhaps he needs to get out more.

In just 100 days he's managed to unify the sector against him. Even his own state Liberal colleagues have wandered in from the outfield to publicly and humiliatingly sledge him.

In a move of stunning incompetence, Pyne trashed a carefully wrought student-funding model without any idea of what's going to replace it. It was a slapstick performance so incompetently carried out it would have drawn laughs in a music hall.
Pyne has successfully managed to portray himself as the most incompetent joker in the pack. And don't mistake the degree of difficulty here. It takes a good deal of talent to make a state education minister appear statesmanlike. Nevertheless, at their combined press conference the other day, Pyne managed all this and more. He stood off to one side while every minister in the country took turns to ruthlessly demolish his ''reform'', which simply turns the clocks back to a world of privilege and favouritism.

Then he boorishly charged in to assert - despite all the evidence to the contrary - that he's right and they're wrong. And why? What better plan is he proposing to introduce? Well, he can't tell us that now, we'll just have to wait and see. Trust me, says Pyne, claiming he can still trump the experts and come up with something better. You can almost picture him standing in front of a dartboard with some arrows, confident that providence will guide him to the correct answer. Now it turns out we had the right answer all along and we're presented with all the startling idiocy of yet another volte-face.

Pyne appears incapable of perceiving how ridiculous his assertions of superior process actually are. When even the thinnest twig hits a calm pool, it sets off ripples. That's Pyne. The perception that he's shallow, superficial and trivial has now become political reality. Everything that's occurred since he became minister simply reinforces this perception. It actually doesn't matter if he's very, very clever; many people already suspect he's not.

What's more surprising - and worrying from the perspective of Tony Abbott - is that two polls last week put beyond doubt the reality that the government's going backwards. It's the reverse of what happened after the election of John Howard and Kevin Rudd. The feel-good factor's evaporating. Any advice Abbott's receiving is obviously hopeless. The team and tactics that got him to the Lodge won't be able to keep him there.

Some 30 years ago, in NSW, the Liberal's Nick Greiner swept out a wildly unpopular Labor government. His education minister, Terry Metherell, rammed wildly unpopular reforms through Parliament, despite a huge backlash from parents. The Liberals lost their majority at the next election. Pyne seems determined to take a similar shortcut to electoral oblivion.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/christopher-pyne-the-joker-in-pack-could-bring-down-tony-abbott-20131203-2yof5.html#ixzz2mVDs60m2
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« Reply #1949 on: December 07, 2013, 04:44:49 AM »

More evidence re Peta Credlin running the circus this government has become.

PM's travel clamp sparks backlash
Date December 7, 2013
Philip Dorling
 
Cabinet ministers and top public servants will have to personally sign off on airfares and hotel bookings for tens of thousands of federal bureaucrats as Tony Abbott cracks down on travel costs.

Coalition ministers, staffers and senior public service executives have privately condemned the Prime Minister's demand as "unworkable", "ridiculous" and showing "complete ignorance of the practical realities of government".

On November 18 Mr Abbott issued a directive to clamp down on official domestic and overseas travel by public servants.

He ordered cabinet ministers to take personal responsibility for approving official travel by departmental officers - as individuals or in delegations - that would cost more than $20,000.

He also directed that he must be consulted about any proposed travel by individuals or delegations where costs exceeded $50,000.

Mr Abbott also decreed that all travel by public servants costing less than $20,000 must be approved by departmental secretaries or agency heads and that responsibility "should not be delegated below that level".

The Prime Minister has already restricted travel by Coalition MPs, who are required to seek approval from his chief of staff, Peta Credlin, at least four weeks before overseas study trips or sponsored travel. It is long-established practice that ministers must seek prime ministerial approval before travelling overseas.

Mr Abbott's directive on public service travel has already generated a backlash from ministers and bureaucrats.

Senior government sources said the requirement that department and agency heads personally approve all travel costing up to $20,000 was "simply unworkable''.

"Does the Prime Minister really expect departmental secretaries to spend half their days signing off routine travel requisitions, even Cabcharge vouchers?'' one senior government adviser said. ''Nor do ministers want to decide the composition of overseas delegations. It's nonsensical."


The Australian government spends about $380 million a year on domestic travel and another $170 million on international travel. Tens of thousands of public servants travel domestically or internationally each year.

Most domestic travel is undertaken by the Defence Department and the Department of Human Services, which includes two of the nation's largest agencies, Medicare and Centrelink.

The Defence and the Foreign Affairs and Trade portfolios account for the bulk of overseas travel.

A Foreign Affairs and Trade executive highlighted potential complications for Australian diplomats overseas who travel frequently, often at short notice.

Fairfax Media understands Mr Abbott's directive was issued without specific consultation with cabinet ministers or departmental and agency heads.

A spokesman for Mr Abbott said the Prime Minister had "made it very clear from the outset that all travel was to be undertaken at a fair cost''.

Coalition ministerial staff described the instructions as part of "the controlling tendencies'' of the Prime Minister's office.



Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/pms-travel-clamp-sparks-backlash-20131206-2ywze.html#ixzz2miYbJiMC
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