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« Reply #1980 on: December 18, 2013, 12:47:45 PM »
budget surplasses are extremely overated.
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Nor are your ways my ways,” says the Lord.
 
“For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
So are my ways higher than your ways,
And my thoughts than your thoughts."

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« Reply #1981 on: December 18, 2013, 12:48:43 PM »

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« Reply #1982 on: December 20, 2013, 12:49:09 AM »
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_Jvb5cBfiE


09.45 (13.45) Russia Today has captured this clip of Putin, when talking about Edward Snowden, saying he envies Barack Obama because he can spy and get away with it.


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Brazil has rejected a contract for Boeing’s F/A-18 fighter jets in favor of the Swedish Saab’s JAS 39 Gripens. The unexpected move to reject the US bid comes amid the global scandal over the NSA’s involvement in economic espionage activities.

The announcement for the purchase of 36 fighters was made Wednesday by Brazilian Defense Minister Celso Amorim and Air Force Commander Junti Saito. The jets will cost US$4.5 billion, well below the estimated market value of around US$7 billion

http://rt.com/news/brazil-nsa-defense-contract-454/

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« Reply #1983 on: December 22, 2013, 09:10:35 AM »

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« Reply #1984 on: December 22, 2013, 02:04:23 PM »
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« Reply #1985 on: December 24, 2013, 06:10:00 AM »
One term Tony has NFI.

This is the worst government I have seen and my political involvement stretches back to when Harold Holt was taken by a Russian mini sub.

China will inflict pain if Abbott blunders on
 
December 24, 2013

Hugh White

Tony Abbott could hardly have got off to a worse start in managing Australia's most important and complex diplomatic relationship. If he does not change his tune, Beijing will start inflicting pain. Abbott seems not yet to understand how much pain it can inflict, on him and on Australia. He will soon learn. He is about to get a lesson on the nature of power.

China was already uneasy about Abbott before he became Prime Minster because of things he'd said in opposition about Chinese investment, Tibet and Taiwan. But its anger now is about the Abbott government's approach to strategic tensions in north-east Asia, especially between China and Japan.

Just as those tensions have been escalating sharply, Abbott has swung Australia dramatically away from an even-handed position towards strong support for Japan. To Beijing this is a clear move against it on an issue of vital importance. It is not just about who owns a few tiny rocks in the East China Sea. It is ultimately about how Asia accommodates China's growing power and ambition. Nothing matters to Beijing more.

The new government's swing towards Japan began within a month of the election, when Australia signed a strikingly pro-Japanese joint statement at the annual US-Japan-Australia foreign ministers meeting. A few days later Abbott gushingly described Japan as ''Australia's best friend in Asia''. The last month's AUSMIN communique was unprecedentedly pro-Japan.

This all helps explain the intensity of Beijing's displeasure at our government's response to China's new air defence identification zone in late November. Canberra orchestrated a highly publicised dressing-down of the Chinese ambassador over an issue in which, from Beijing's perspective, we have no direct involvement and were gratuitously siding with Japan against China.

China's anger grew further when Abbott responded to Beijing's initial sharp criticism of these moves. In what we are starting to recognise as characteristic of his diplomacy, Abbott responded to criticism by coming back swinging harder still. In doing this he said two very strange and unwise things.

First, he explained Australia's position by saying that Australia is ''a strong ally of Japan'', and directly compared our alliance with Japan with our alliance with America. That certainly confirms Beijing's ideas about where Abbott stands in the escalating rivalry between Asia's giants. But it is simply false. Australia is not an ''ally'' of Japan in any serious sense - and certainly not at all in the sense that we are an ally of the US.

And it is an extremely serious thing to say at a time when Japan's relations with China are sliding towards a precipice. As Japan's ''ally'', does Abbott agree with Tokyo's new national security strategy, released last week, which explicitly accused China of trying to change the status quo in Asia by coercion?

Second, Abbott dismissed any suggestion that his forthright support of Japan might cost Australia economically. ''China trades with us because it is in China's interests to trade with us,'' he breezily affirmed. So he thinks there's no chance that we'd actually have to pay any price for his posturing.

That's a big call. Abbott is very naive about international markets if he thinks Australia's exports to China are irreplaceable. And he is very naive about the nature of international politics if he thinks China will not use its immense economic leverage to pursue what it sees as vital strategic interests. There is every chance China will punish Australia economically if Abbott doesn't change his tune. His hopes for quick agreement to a free trade agreement might be an obvious target.

Of course many people will say Abbott is doing the right thing. Australia should speak its mind when, as he put it, ''Australia's values and interests have been compromised''. But speaking up for our values and interests is easy and cheap when the balance of power is on our side. It's harder when the power shifts to others. They have values and interests too, which might not be the same as ours, and they'll stand up for their values and interests as we and our friends do for ours.

When that happens we have to work out how far we try to impose our views on them, and how far we allow them to impose theirs on us. It is called power politics, and it's not easy. Abbott doesn't get it. He still thinks we and our close mates in the Anglosphere hold all the power.

Abbott will keep getting foreign policy badly wrong until he learns differently, and the Chinese are about to teach him. With a bit of luck they will do so quietly, so that he has the chance to avoid too public and humiliating a back-down. And with a bit of luck Abbott will have the brains to take that chance if it is offered.


Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/comment/china-will-inflict-pain-if-abbott-blunders-on-20131223-2zueu.html#ixzz2oKJdurMF


Yeah we're already going to vote for him mate, you don't need to keep selling it.....

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« Reply #1986 on: December 29, 2013, 08:13:42 AM »

Tony is headed for a hostile senate after all.

 :lol


Coalition's WA slump spurs Senate fears for Tony Abbott 
 
 Dennis Shanahan, Political Editor
 The Australian 
 December 28, 2013 12:00AM
 

VOTER support for Tony Abbott's Coalition has slumped in Western Australia since the election and a dramatic rise for Labor and independents will threaten the Liberal hold on three Senate seats and the ability to repeal the carbon tax if the High Court orders a new Senate election in the state next year.

According to the latest Newspoll analysis of state-by-state and demographic voting support in the past three months, conducted exclusively for The Weekend Australian, the Abbott government's first 100 days have ended with a drop in Western Australia of 10 percentage points from its election primary vote of 51.2 per cent to 41 per cent.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/coalitions-wa-slump-spurs-senate-fears-for-tony-abbott/story-fn59niix-1226790896734#
Yeah we're already going to vote for him mate, you don't need to keep selling it.....

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Re: Australian Politics thread [merged]
« Reply #1987 on: December 29, 2013, 06:50:47 PM »
As much as Abbott is making it up as he goes alone, it's more the state Government's fault for the decline in support for the Libs in WA.


On a different issue, while I don't agree with everything he says, it's good to see old Bobby bringing up the need for constitutional change by reducing the number of government tiers from three down to two.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/bob-hawke-calls-for-abolition-of-states-in-speech-at-woodford-folk-festival/story-fnihsrk2-1226791259691
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« Reply #1989 on: December 31, 2013, 10:42:10 AM »
Yanks not happy with Jews

Selling advanced weapons to Chinese

Will USA give these aid money

http://www.algemeiner.com/2013/12/22/u-s-furious-with-israel-after-sale-of-advanced-military-technology-to-china/

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« Reply #1990 on: January 02, 2014, 08:11:24 AM »

Julia broke one promise and got pilloried for three years.



Broken vows pile up as Coalition's pledge of 1 million new jobs refuted

 
January 2, 2014

David Wroe

The Abbott government faces further pressure over broken promises with a new analysis showing it will fall well short of its pledge to create 1 million jobs over five years.

Despite Tony Abbott's repeated vows as opposition leader to ''under-promise and over-deliver'' in government, new parliamentary research based on the government's own economic forecasts indicates the Coalition will fall at least 200,000 jobs short.


The analysis, carried out by the Parliamentary Library at the request of Labor, was backed by a range of economists.

In the run-up to the election, Mr Abbott repeatedly vowed to create 1 million new jobs over five years, and 2 million over a decade, by scrapping the carbon and mining taxes, cutting red tape for business, and boosting productivity, among other measures.

By combining employment data from the Australian Bureau of Statistics with Treasury's jobs growth forecast in last month's mini-budget, the library calculated the Australian economy would add about 620,000 jobs over the next four years. Even allowing for a fifth year, the figures show the government will fall well short of 1 million new jobs.

The mini-budget, or midyear economic and fiscal outlook (MYEFO), was the government's first major economic statement.

The analysis follows broken Coalition promises on school funding and the roll-out of the National Broadband Network, as well as hints at changes to paid parental leave, the National Disability Insurance Scheme and Medicare. It also comes as the government battles the political fallout of job losses with the planned pull-out by Holden and lay-offs by SPC Ardmona.

Acting Treasurer Mathias Cormann stood by the government's jobs pledge, blaming Labor for the modest jobs growth forecast in the MYEFO.

''It is no secret that we inherited an economy growing below trend, rising unemployment, and a budget in very bad shape,'' he said. ''MYEFO is a reflection of that.''

But shadow treasurer Chris Bowen said the shortfall looked set to become Mr Abbott's ''biggest broken promise''.

''We cannot continue to see the poor performance on jobs continue with mass lay-offs, particularly in manufacturing, as the government abandons any meaningful role in fostering innovation and the high-skills and high-wage jobs that come with that,'' he said.


Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/broken-vows-pile-up-as-coalitions-pledge-of-1-million-new-jobs-refuted-20140101-3066n.html#ixzz2pBQYCQgl



Yeah we're already going to vote for him mate, you don't need to keep selling it.....

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« Reply #1991 on: January 02, 2014, 11:35:44 AM »
Jobs jobs jobs. Stop the waste. $29 billion NBN. Please ignore the boats.

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« Reply #1992 on: January 02, 2014, 12:05:24 PM »
Plus removing billion of dollars of food and water from the worlds starving dying sick


Tony the humanitarian :bow

I'm surprised he's not yet been knighted

Sir tony  :clapping

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« Reply #1993 on: January 05, 2014, 02:38:54 PM »
Melbourne must slash its local councils from 31 to just one if it is to plan services and large-scale infrastructure effectively, a former CEO of the City of Melbourne and aide to premier Jeff Kennett says.

And Australia should cut its levels of government to just two - national and regional - rather than the current three tiers.

''Our federation and the sheer number and layers of organisations that involve themselves in decision making … slows us down,'' said Elizabeth Proust delivering the Planning Institute's annual Kemsley Oration, the industry's key annual address, late last year.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/call-to-slash-melbournes-inefficient-councils-20140102-307uc.html#ixzz2pUXJfmq0

The problem is the PM as a staunch monarchist will oppose any constitutional reform even if the push comes from his own side of politics such as this.
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« Reply #1994 on: January 05, 2014, 02:43:57 PM »
What sort of bugs me ...is why did theses institutions  all work quite well and coherently in years gone by and now they are seen as a financial and beurocratic burden on society and the economy.
will we be more efficient without them? will it bring solid tangible benefis to each of us,or is this just part of the slash and burn that's taking place across the western world to balance the books?