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« Reply #2910 on: December 02, 2014, 09:53:08 AM »

One-term Tony is so desperate he thinks telling the truth might be worth a try.

Shaken Abbott has uphill battle to win back voters' trust

Date December 1, 2014 - 8:16PM
Mark Kenny
Chief political correspondent

It is a sad reflection on our politics and governments that it takes some pretty hostile circumstances to get leaders to come clean, admit fault, and, yes, even to tell the truth. Desperate times call for desperate measures.

Self evidently, that was the calculation Tony Abbott and his coterie weighed up before breaking the glass and pulling the tell-all press conference lever on the first morning of the last parliamentary week.

But after a week from hell headlined by the ABC funding fudge where the PM had been skewered on his own words, and bookended by the voters' cool dispatch of a first-term coalition government in Victoria – at least partly on federal grievances – the emergency was undeniable.

Abbott's presentation was typically direct and yet typically incomplete also. Eyeballing certain columnists, he said he'd read their scathing assessments over the weekend and would meet those critiques head on. He was less expansive on the self-inflicted ASC-canoe error by his beleaguered Defence Minister and his self-inflicted "barnacle debacle".

However, the real issue was not the commentary, anyway, but the subject of it: to wit, his government's  manifold failures against his own clear criteria.

Notably, restoring trust. Abbott's justification for breaking promises? For saying one thing before the election and doing another after? Circumstances have changed.

Ordinarily this would be reasonable enough. The terms of trade have gone south and the budget is indeed being hit to leg with a cyclical downturn compounded by a structural revenue shortfall. Both sides of politics own that one to some extent.

But Abbott is the last person the Labor opposition will be inclined to grant such leeway.

Australia's most percussively negative opposition leader, dubbed "Dr No" for his relentless pursuit of the former government, Abbott has banked zero credits in the pluralism and goodwill account of national politics.

And it gets sharper still because the rampaging opposition leader specifically ruled out using changed budget circumstances to justify breaking promises.

Now he wants precisely that room.

When Julia Gillard's government faced serious revenue write-downs, Abbott offered no comfort, no understanding.

Now he characterises an opposition pursuing a similar approach as "wreckers".

Voters see through it.


They also see through Abbott's catch-all justification for not keeping other promises – namely that his motherhood pledge had been to fix the budget.

http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/shaken-abbott-has-uphill-battle-to-win-back-voters-trust-20141201-11xxir.html

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« Reply #2911 on: December 02, 2014, 01:47:57 PM »
I'm only a casual follower of politics but did I just hear Tony Abbott say on the news he doesn't have a 'theological' position on nuclear power?

Have we ever had a more embarrassing Prime Minister? There should be a minimum IQ required before you can represent us on the world stage.

compared to the previous government? with the greatest respect big richo you were right the first time you have no idea about politics.

good on TA for making it clear the money is for the east/wink link as he like most sound minded folk do that if not the labor party will most likely waste it as they always seem to do with everything. Nice try Andrews, use the federal's money to rip up the contract and make him look good at the same time. Typical labor move to waste more and more money

The link will go ahead.

geez, sometimes i wonder about your comprehension skills.
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you clearly dont understand the term casual observer, so it's no surprise you do not fathom the implications of what your oh so great leader has said.

In a nutshell, abbot has said that there is no mention of nuclear energy in the bible or any other form of Yahweh's teachings, therefore he does not have a view on it.

Any person that is not disturbed by such idiocy from a prime minister can only be a bigger buffoon than mr rabbit himself.
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« Reply #2912 on: December 02, 2014, 05:35:40 PM »
In a nutshell, abbot has said that there is no mention of nuclear energy in the bible or any other form of Yahweh's teachings, therefore he does not have a view on it.

 :thumbsup This is my number one issue with this bloke and his cabinet that he selected with similar ideologies. He completely lost me years ago when he was first running against Gillard and said something like "Australia is turning away from Geez." Leave your faith at the door bucko, government is the place for rational debate and adult discussions. Not easter bunnies and zombie jews.

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« Reply #2913 on: December 02, 2014, 07:39:25 PM »
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« Reply #2914 on: December 02, 2014, 08:49:22 PM »
In a nutshell, abbot has said that there is no mention of nuclear energy in the bible or any other form of Yahweh's teachings, therefore he does not have a view on it.

 :thumbsup This is my number one issue with this bloke and his cabinet that he selected with similar ideologies. He completely lost me years ago when he was first running against Gillard and said something like "Australia is turning away from Geez." Leave your faith at the door bucko, government is the place for rational debate and adult discussions. Not easter bunnies and zombie jews.

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« Reply #2915 on: December 03, 2014, 04:49:37 AM »
In the larger context

Its more worrying aust. Being a bitch america

Given the seppos right wing Christian world view and related foreign policy

Tony's theology in regards to nuke power sad side issue

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« Reply #2916 on: December 03, 2014, 12:30:52 PM »
The “monopoly of a one-party system” is all too evident in the midterm elections,

Ron Paul

Surprised they not killed him yet

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« Reply #2917 on: December 03, 2014, 01:23:31 PM »
The “monopoly of a one-party system” is all too evident in the midterm elections,

Ron Paul

Surprised they not killed him yet

Yes Leftsack, I'm sure you'd just love a man who is a disciple of Laissez-faire Capitalism, named his son after Ayn Rand, is against immigration and abortion and regarded as the intellectual godfather of the Tea Party movement.
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« Reply #2918 on: December 04, 2014, 09:21:46 AM »

and so it begins...

Julie Bishop 'went bananas' at Tony Abbott over climate chaperone report

December 4, 2014
Latika Bourke
 
The first sign of serious tensions between Tony Abbott and Julie Bishop have emerged, with reports the deputy Liberal leader "went bananas" at the Prime Minister after Fairfax Media reported she would be chaperoned on a key overseas mission.

Fairfax Media reported on Sunday that Mr Abbott personally requested Trade and Investment Minister Andrew Robb - one of the Coalition's early opponents of emissions trading - accompany Ms Bishop to climate change talks in Lima, Peru later this month. Environment Minister Greg Hunt will not attend the conference.  The summit is a precursor to a summit in Paris next year where it's hoped a new binding global treaty for lowering carbon emissions will be struck.

Mr Robb was asked to make sure any new domestic carbon reduction commitments would be framed around Australia's economic impacts.  Sources told Fairfax Media the move was seen as a sign Mr Abbott was worried the Foreign Minister would go "too green" at the UN conference.

On Thursday, The Australian Financial Review reported the story triggered an angry response from Ms Bishop, who is said to have "gone bananas" at Mr Abbott.

Ms Bishop is reported to have demanded a "please explain" from the Prime Minister, especially given she was not consulted on Mr Robb's attendance.


On Wednesday, Ms Bishop said any new climate targets would have broad impacts on the economy.

"This has significant economic impacts, so both the Trade and Investment and the Foreign Minister will be there," she said.

The tensions between leader and deputy leader have emerged amid heightened concerns about the role and influence of Mr Abbott's office, which ministers and backbenchers believe wields too much control.

http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/julie-bishop-went-bananas-at-tony-abbott-over-climate-chaperone-report-20141203-11zpvl.html

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« Reply #2919 on: December 04, 2014, 10:05:15 AM »
Get stuck into him, Jules.

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« Reply #2920 on: December 04, 2014, 10:30:21 AM »
The sooner it happens the better

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« Reply #2921 on: December 04, 2014, 11:42:24 AM »

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« Reply #2922 on: December 04, 2014, 06:34:52 PM »
Libs running the economy into the ground...you cut spending and pander to the top end, when the poot hits the fan there's nowhere to hide.

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« Reply #2923 on: December 04, 2014, 08:06:41 PM »
The “monopoly of a one-party system” is all too evident in the midterm elections,

Ron Paul

Surprised they not killed him yet

Yes Leftsack, I'm sure you'd just love a man who is a disciple of Laissez-faire Capitalism, named his son after Ayn Rand, is against immigration and abortion and regarded as the intellectual godfather of the Tea Party movement.

Wgaf about his son

Ron seems OK to me

Doubts s/11
Wants fed audit
Didn't want to invade/bomb Iran
Seems to value liberty (what an hole)
appears to like history
Reckons the police being identical to the army is concerning


Etc

Not saying he is Geez but he goes a bit outside the square

Immigration oh well
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Abortion - just a side issue trumped up for people to lose site of larger game
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« Reply #2924 on: December 04, 2014, 09:10:34 PM »
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/law-order/tatts-group-wins-540-million-pokies-licence-compensation-payout/story-fni0fee2-1227145131554


Tatts Group wins $540 million pokies licence compensation payout 

 
Padraic Murphy 
  News Limited 
 December 04, 2014 6:20PM



TAXPAYERS have been stuck with a half billion dollar compensation bill after the government yesterday lost an appeal against a judgment that it had dudded pokies giant Tatts Group. 
 
In June, the Supreme Court ordered the government pay the Tatts Group $451 million plus interest, ruling the company deserved to be compensated after their pokies licences were not renewed.

That amount has now blown out to $540,467,887.

The government appealed the decision, which was dismissed during a two minute hearing.

Funds to pay for the massive compo bill are expected to be ripped from frontline services, including hospitals and schools.



Nice work  :clapping