Australian Politics thread [merged]

[one-eyed]

Another pollie off to the High Court.




The Greens are seeking fresh legal advice about the eligibility of their newly installed Senator Andrew Bartlett.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-11-16/greens-senator-andrew-bartlett-faces-questions-over-eligibility/9155838

[one-eyed]

A Coalition MP says he will quit the Turnbull Government next month, plunging it into minority government. The MP said tonight  he will stay only if Malcolm Turnbull is replaced as Prime Minister by a leader who can appeal to conservative voters.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/blogs/andrew-bolt/coalition-mp-turnbull-must-be-sacked-or-ill-quit/news-story/fb2970ec7fad76e6a4aa57c8c9ac4c3a

[WilliamPowell]

A Coalition MP says he will quit the Turnbull Government next month, plunging it into minority government. The MP said tonight  he will stay only if Malcolm Turnbull is replaced as Prime Minister by a leader who can appeal to conservative voters.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/blogs/andrew-bolt/coalition-mp-turnbull-must-be-sacked-or-ill-quit/news-story/fb2970ec7fad76e6a4aa57c8c9ac4c3a

So Mr Abbott's number 1 fan, Andrew Bolt doesn't name this mystery MP?

[one-eyed]

A Coalition MP says he will quit the Turnbull Government next month, plunging it into minority government. The MP said tonight  he will stay only if Malcolm Turnbull is replaced as Prime Minister by a leader who can appeal to conservative voters.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/blogs/andrew-bolt/coalition-mp-turnbull-must-be-sacked-or-ill-quit/news-story/fb2970ec7fad76e6a4aa57c8c9ac4c3a

So Mr Abbott's number 1 fan, Andrew Bolt doesn't name this mystery MP?

No doubt Bolt isn't a reliable source when it comes to facts [understatement] but he was claiming last night he isn't naming this MP because the MP may bail out of quitting if named.

It's a bit hard to bail out of something like this in politics if you're named .

[one-eyed]

Another one gone as a dual-citizen ...

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-11-22/sky-kakoschke-moore-reveals-dual-citizenship-concerns/9179502

[mightytiges]

So much for the One Nation loonies holding the balance of power in Queensland. They've now thankfully flopped in both Qld & WA state elections.

[mightytiges]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-12-07/same-sex-marriage-bill-passes-house-of-representatives/9235560



Glad it's finally done but the pollies should have done their job in the first place rather than spending $122m on a postal survey to tell us what we already knew.

[WilliamPowell]

Glad it's finally done but the pollies should have done their job in the first place rather than spending $122m on a postal survey to tell us what we already knew.

 

And no surprise to see certain pollies not even bothering to show up in chamber to vote

[mightytiges]

Glad it's finally done but the pollies should have done their job in the first place rather than spending $122m on a postal survey to tell us what we already knew.

 

And no surprise to see certain pollies not even bothering to show up in chamber to vote

Conveniently, they abstained to avoid any official record being kept of who voted for what. Not only out of touch with modern Australia but two-faced cowards too . 



Who abstained from the same-sex marriage vote?

    Barnaby Joyce (Nationals)
    Tony Abbott (Liberals)
    Andrew Hastie (Liberals)
    Michael Sukkar (Liberals)
    Kevin Andrews (Liberals)
    Scott Morrison (Liberals)
    George Christensen (LNP)
    Rick Wilson (Liberals)
    Stuart Robert (Liberals)

What about no votes?

    Bob Katter (independent)
    Russell Broadbent (Liberal)
    Keith Pitt (Nationals)
    David Littleproud (Nationals)

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-12-08/same-sex-marriage-who-didnt-vote/9240584

[Chuck17]

Glad it's finally done but the pollies should have done their job in the first place rather than spending $122m on a postal survey to tell us what we already knew.

 

And no surprise to see certain pollies not even bothering to show up in chamber to vote

Conveniently, they abstained to avoid any official record being kept of who voted for what. Not only out of touch with modern Australia but two-faced cowards too . 



Who abstained from the same-sex marriage vote?

    Barnaby Joyce (Nationals)
    Tony Abbott (Liberals)
    Andrew Hastie (Liberals)
    Michael Sukkar (Liberals)
    Kevin Andrews (Liberals)
    Scott Morrison (Liberals)
    George Christensen (LNP)
    Rick Wilson (Liberals)
    Stuart Robert (Liberals)

What about no votes?

    Bob Katter (independent)
    Russell Broadbent (Liberal)
    Keith Pitt (Nationals)
    David Littleproud (Nationals)

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-12-08/same-sex-marriage-who-didnt-vote/9240584

As far as I was aware it was a conscience vote that entitled them to vote or not according to how their conscience told them so.

I think if they all voted yes I would be more concerned as a portion would have done so just so they were on record of the winning side.

I for one am glad it went to open public vote as it wasn't the lay down misere being put forward.

[Damo]

Abbott the religious nut didn’t have the balls to vote no, which he desperately wanted to

[mightytiges]

Glad it's finally done but the pollies should have done their job in the first place rather than spending $122m on a postal survey to tell us what we already knew.

 

And no surprise to see certain pollies not even bothering to show up in chamber to vote

Conveniently, they abstained to avoid any official record being kept of who voted for what. Not only out of touch with modern Australia but two-faced cowards too . 



Who abstained from the same-sex marriage vote?

    Barnaby Joyce (Nationals)
    Tony Abbott (Liberals)
    Andrew Hastie (Liberals)
    Michael Sukkar (Liberals)
    Kevin Andrews (Liberals)
    Scott Morrison (Liberals)
    George Christensen (LNP)
    Rick Wilson (Liberals)
    Stuart Robert (Liberals)

What about no votes?

    Bob Katter (independent)
    Russell Broadbent (Liberal)
    Keith Pitt (Nationals)
    David Littleproud (Nationals)

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-12-08/same-sex-marriage-who-didnt-vote/9240584

As far as I was aware it was a conscience vote that entitled them to vote or not according to how their conscience told them so.

I think if they all voted yes I would be more concerned as a portion would have done so just so they were on record of the winning side.

I for one am glad it went to open public vote as it wasn't the lay down misere being put forward.

Except they didn't vote with their conscience based on their public rhetoric previously. Instead they chickened out by abstaining because it was more politically convenient to do so. They didn't want themselves recorded as being so out of sync with the electorate.

There are times when a open public vote is necessary. For example, a referendum on constitutional change which is required by law or an issue that polling says could go either way. However, SSM wasn't one of these as public polling over a long period of time showed strong support in favour of it (60%+ for and barely half of that against). It wasn't as though it was 50/50 within polling error margins (eg: 53-47). The whole point of polling is to sample the population to determine the overall public's view. When there's clear 60%+ support for something, you don't go and waste $122m to prove the polling is correct.

[Chuck17]

I don't pay any attention to polls, seems the only thing they do is replace the prime ministers we vote in

[mightytiges]

I don't pay any attention to polls, seems the only thing they do is replace the prime ministers we vote in

[mightytiges]

I don't think we've seen an era where so many pollies have kicked own goals for their side .

Surely, Barnaby has to go. In fact, if he was thinking about his ex-wife and kids, he would do so a.s.a.p. to get this affair and the fallout from it out of the public arena. They are the victims here.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-02-10/prime-ministers-office-intervened-in-barnaby-joyce-affair/9418692