Australian Politics thread [merged]

[mightytiges]

MT loves lockdown life

Another BS strawman is all you've got . 

Show me where I stated we should be in lockdown once the population was largely vaccinated? In fact, I posted the opposite in August last year. 

You can't ignore cases (and especially the exponentially rising cases in NSW) when the vast majority of the population is still unvaccinated. More unvaccinated cases equals more hospital admissions and more ICU beds taken up. The health system would be overrun if we just "opened up" now .

The remainder of the year is going to be about balance and each state will have to weigh up what is best for them. The required % of the population need to be vaccinated is proportional to the infectiousness of the virus. The Doherty report claims 70-80% is required with existing community cases before we can even begin to start to open up and not swamp our health system. There's still going to be some restrictions especially for the unvaccinated to control hospitalisations and deaths. With all that, 80% according to their modelling will result in 1200 deaths nationwide which equates to a bad flu season. That's manageable.

Ideally once we reach that figure in October/November, we will continue to strive to vaccinate even more people (hopefully the kids as well if they are allowed to) to reach 90-95% which is the level for highly infectious diseases such as Measles. Things like wearing masks on crowded PT may still be recommended and a culture of 'politeness' similar to some eastern Asian countries may develop but at 95% of the total population we should able to open up completely (OS borders, etc) IMO as you're effectively crushing covid at that level.

As for states like WA, SA & Qld who are effectively fairly open already internally, they'd be asking themselves why follow a federal 'plan' if other states have a large number of cases and it would make things worse for their state and citizens than it is now. They're not put into power to appease Canberra, Sydney or Melbourne and may think it would be better for them to wait until they reach that higher 90-95% vaccinated target before opening borders and letting covid in.

The sooking minority who are refusing to get vaccinated can't whinge about lack of "freedom" when they are deliberating acting against what is needed to be done to get to that "freedom".

The new Omicron variant and the rising case numbers has meant the need to bring "forward" the booster program ("forward" in terms that we were/are behind in our vaccine rollout thanks to Slomo). The 5-11 year olds begin their vaccination program tomorrow IIRC which will eventually and significantly increase the overall population vaccinated (currently at 77% which needs to be higher). The positive is the vaccines work as of those in Victorian ICUs all are NOT double dose vaccinated. Vaccinations keep us open.

The current issue is the lack of supply of rapid antigen tests and some despicable price gouging now going on thanks once again to useless Morrison and his Feds who have stuffed another thing up and again left it to the states to fix. Don't lecture the public about "personal responsibility" when Morrison continually displays none of it failing to lead, and don't tell people to "live with covid" when the public can't access a simple RAT because Morrison failed again to plan ahead and his corporate Liberal mates sooked and wanted to make a buck out of the pandemic. Just like his failure with the "it's not a race" vaccine rollout and quarantine, this will cost the country even more in the long run. RATs are free in the UK, US & Singapore.

[Assange Tiger 😎]

A lot of what you blame Morrison for is not his fault but that of your lockdown hero....

[Francois Jackson]

Which countries are the RAT’s NOT complimentary?

Wasn’t everyone’s favourite Arden the other Pm who struggled to her her hands on vaccines and also now RAT’s?

[1965]

You have to be kidding.


https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/australia/scott-morrison-admits-he-gets-rapid-antigen-tests-for-free/news-story/d393f5486328d4eb609a310041af90d5


Prime Minister Scott Morrison has revealed he’s never personally bought a rapid Covid test and gets taxpayer-funded tests at work for free or his wife to find them.

Just days after telling voters that Australia was at that stage of the pandemic where you can‘t “just go around and make everything free”, the PM has confirmed they are free for him at work and for other ministers.

[mightytiges]

A lot of what you blame Morrison for is not his fault but that of your lockdown hero....

It's the hunger games across the country trying to get a rapid antigen test yet you want to try and blame it on a single state premier .

Yeah it's someone else's fault that Morrison via Hunt publicly promised in September last year that by November 1 anyone who wanted a RAT would be able to get one.

Yeah it's someone else's fault that Morrison wanted RATs to be a corporate opportunity for his Liberal mates who sooked about making a buck rather than RATs being the universal public health measure they should be. 

Yeah it's someone else's fault when that backfired publicly Morrison announces another ill-planned 'quick fix' which has no system to implement it and no way of recording positive RATs. Morrison then tries to dump the responsibility on already swamped GPs without any communication with them. As usual each state has to come up with their own state-based system as Morrison is useless and no leader.

Yeah it's someone else's fault that when the TWU warned Morrison back in October last year about the need for RATs in their industry to keep truckies on the road and avoid disruptions in supply chains and empty shelves in supermarkets, Morrison ignored the warning.

Yeah it's someone else's fault that Morrison didn't reply to Pfizer's approach to Australia offering millions of doses.

Yeah it's someone else's fault that Morrison didn't sign on to buy Pfizer when the UK & US did.

Yeah it's someone else's fault that Morrison failed to procure enough vaccine while BSing to us that we were at the front of the queue for the vaccine.

Yeah it's someone else's fault that Morrison told us the vaccine rollout "wasn't a race" when we were last in the OECD and 117th in the world by the start of last winter.

Yeah it's someone else's fault that Morrison and the Feds repeatedly kept failing to meet its own vaccine targets. Promises of 4m doses in March became promises of 4m doses of April became less than a tenth of that in reality with just 5% of the population vaccinated heading into last winter six months after the vaccines were available.

Yeah it's someone else's fault that Morrison and the Feds didn't build purpose built quarantine facilities when quarantine is a commonwealth responsibility.

Yeah it's someone else's fault that Morrison tried to claim Novak entering the country was Victoria's decision when the issuing of visas are and have always been a federal govt responsibility. He then flip flops to try to look tough sprouting "rules are rules" and it's blown up in his face because it was his federal home affairs dept that issued Novak's visa in the first place before later cancelling it. Not that I have any sympathy for anti-vaxxer Djokovic. He allegedly claims that he tested positive for covid on Dec 16 yet he hosted a large function with kids the following day. So either he's lying about having had covid three weeks ago or he's a prick that doesn't care about anyone else's health including kids. 

[mightytiges]

Which countries are the RAT’s NOT complimentary?

Wasn’t everyone’s favourite Arden the other Pm who struggled to her her hands on vaccines and also now RAT’s?

Lucy Turnbull retweeted these figures:

‘One of these is not like the other ones’ — isn’t there a #Playschool song with words like that?

Rapid Antigen Test pricing worldwide:

Thailand Free - $2.00
India - $2.00
Switzerland AUD$4.00
Germany €1.00 - €5.00
Spain €2.50
Portugal €2.50 at restaurants
France free at restaurants
Cambodia AUD$2.50
Singapore free
UK  free
US  free
NZ  free
Australia $45.00

https://twitter.com/LucyTurnbull_AO/status/1479424291615563777

[1965]

A lot of what you blame Morrison for is not his fault but that of your lockdown hero....

It's the hunger games across the country trying to get a rapid antigen test yet you want to try and blame it on a single state premier .

Yeah it's someone else's fault that Morrison via Hunt publicly promised in September last year that by November 1 anyone who wanted a RAT would be able to get one.

Yeah it's someone else's fault that Morrison wanted RATs to be a corporate opportunity for his Liberal mates who sooked about making a buck rather than RATs being the universal public health measure they should be. 

Yeah it's someone else's fault when that backfired publicly Morrison announces another ill-planned 'quick fix' which has no system to implement it and no way of recording positive RATs. Morrison then tries to dump the responsibility on already swamped GPs without any communication with them. As usual each state has to come up with their own state-based system as Morrison is useless and no leader.

Yeah it's someone else's fault that when the TWU warned Morrison back in October last year about the need for RATs in their industry to keep truckies on the road and avoid disruptions in supply chains and empty shelves in supermarkets, Morrison ignored the warning.

Yeah it's someone else's fault that Morrison didn't reply to Pfizer's approach to Australia offering millions of doses.

Yeah it's someone else's fault that Morrison didn't sign on to buy Pfizer when the UK & US did.

Yeah it's someone else's fault that Morrison failed to procure enough vaccine while BSing to us that we were at the front of the queue for the vaccine.

Yeah it's someone else's fault that Morrison told us the vaccine rollout "wasn't a race" when we were last in the OECD and 117th in the world by the start of last winter.

Yeah it's someone else's fault that Morrison and the Feds repeatedly kept failing to meet its own vaccine targets. Promises of 4m doses in March became promises of 4m doses of April became less than a tenth of that in reality with just 5% of the population vaccinated heading into last winter six months after the vaccines were available.

Yeah it's someone else's fault that Morrison and the Feds didn't build purpose built quarantine facilities when quarantine is a commonwealth responsibility.

Yeah it's someone else's fault that Morrison tried to claim Novak entering the country was Victoria's decision when the issuing of visas are and have always been a federal govt responsibility. He then flip flops to try to look tough sprouting "rules are rules" and it's blown up in his face because it was his federal home affairs dept that issued Novak's visa in the first place before later cancelling it. Not that I have any sympathy for anti-vaxxer Djokovic. He allegedly claims that he tested positive for covid on Dec 16 yet he hosted a large function with kids the following day. So either he's lying about having had covid three weeks ago or he's a prick that doesn't care about anyone else's health including kids.

Wow. And l thought I hated the prick. 😁

[Francois Jackson]

Which countries are the RAT’s NOT complimentary?

Wasn’t everyone’s favourite Arden the other Pm who struggled to her her hands on vaccines and also now RAT’s?

Lucy Turnbull retweeted these figures:

‘One of these is not like the other ones’ — isn’t there a #Playschool song with words like that?

Rapid Antigen Test pricing worldwide:

Thailand Free - $2.00
India - $2.00
Switzerland AUD$4.00
Germany €1.00 - €5.00
Spain €2.50
Portugal €2.50 at restaurants
France free at restaurants
Cambodia AUD$2.50
Singapore free
UK  free
US  free
NZ  free
Australia $45.00

https://twitter.com/LucyTurnbull_AO/status/1479424291615563777

Lucy Turncoat 

So it’s only free in 4 countries and lack of supply in how many countries??

I have no issue paying for it and you old blokes get it for free now don’t you so what is the issue.

Pay up drive around get em and deal with it.

The other day I drove 60mins and grabbed 2.

Lack of supply was not limited to us (vax included) just ask your mate across the Tasman but of course you won’t discuss that cause it doesn’t suit.

[Francois Jackson]

Didn’t dictator label it the “pandemic of the unvaccinated”

Can anyone confirm please 

[Francois Jackson]

A lot of what you blame Morrison for is not his fault but that of your lockdown hero....

It's the hunger games across the country trying to get a rapid antigen test yet you want to try and blame it on a single state premier .
 
Yeah it's someone else's fault that Morrison via Hunt publicly promised in September last year that by November 1 anyone who wanted a RAT would be able to get one.
 
Yeah it's someone else's fault that Morrison wanted RATs to be a corporate opportunity for his Liberal mates who sooked about making a buck rather than RATs being the universal public health measure they should be.
 
Yeah it's someone else's fault when that backfired publicly Morrison announces another ill-planned 'quick fix' which has no system to implement it and no way of recording positive RATs. Morrison then tries to dump the responsibility on already swamped GPs without any communication with them. As usual each state has to come up with their own state-based system as Morrison is useless and no leader.
 
Yeah it's someone else's fault that when the TWU warned Morrison back in October last year about the need for RATs in their industry to keep truckies on the road and avoid disruptions in supply chains and empty shelves in supermarkets, Morrison ignored the warning.
 
Yeah it's someone else's fault that Morrison didn't reply to Pfizer's approach to Australia offering millions of doses.
 
Yeah it's someone else's fault that Morrison didn't sign on to buy Pfizer when the UK & US did.
 
Yeah it's someone else's fault that Morrison failed to procure enough vaccine while BSing to us that we were at the front of the queue for the vaccine.
 
Yeah it's someone else's fault that Morrison told us the vaccine rollout "wasn't a race" when we were last in the OECD and 117th in the world by the start of last winter.
 
Yeah it's someone else's fault that Morrison and the Feds repeatedly kept failing to meet its own vaccine targets. Promises of 4m doses in March became promises of 4m doses of April became less than a tenth of that in reality with just 5% of the population vaccinated heading into last winter six months after the vaccines were available.
 
Yeah it's someone else's fault that Morrison and the Feds didn't build purpose built quarantine facilities when quarantine is a commonwealth responsibility.
 
Yeah it's someone else's fault that Morrison tried to claim Novak entering the country was Victoria's decision when the issuing of visas are and have always been a federal govt responsibility. He then flip flops to try to look tough sprouting "rules are rules" and it's blown up in his face because it was his federal home affairs dept that issued Novak's visa in the first place before later cancelling it. Not that I have any sympathy for anti-vaxxer Djokovic. He allegedly claims that he tested positive for covid on Dec 16 yet he hosted a large function with kids the following day. So either he's lying about having had covid three weeks ago or he's a prick that doesn't care about anyone else's health including kids.
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I'm curious with this point MT as its very uneducated to me. What kind of threat would he pose to my kids regardless of status,  that 50000 cases yesterday and 40k today dont do already. Many of whom will be strolling into the tennis on day 7/8. This is despite the fact only a few weeks ago your mate had it at 10 days., and 14 day’s before that.

[mightytiges]

Didn’t dictator label it the “pandemic of the unvaccinated”

Can anyone confirm please 

I haven't heard the latest figures but early last week it was mentioned that all covid patients in Victorian ICUs and 52% of hospital admissions were not double dosed. So the unvaxxed are heavily over-represented given they now make up just 7% of the 12+ y.o. Victorian population.

Once the double dosed receive their booster shot (I've had mine), the 'vaxxed' cases and hospital admissions will reduce. This pandemic will always be one for the unvaxxed.

Some covidiots of course have to learn the hard way and don't get a second chance  .

QAnon influencer who spread conspiracy theories and misinformation about COVID-19 dies after contracting the virus
https://sports.yahoo.com/qanon-influencer-spread-conspiracy-theories-071411703.html

At least 7 conservative radio hosts and anti-mask advocates have died from COVID-19 after bashing the vaccines
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/conservative-radio-hosts-anti-maskers-death-covid-19-2021-9

Which countries are the RAT’s NOT complimentary?

Wasn’t everyone’s favourite Arden the other Pm who struggled to her her hands on vaccines and also now RAT’s?

Lucy Turnbull retweeted these figures:

‘One of these is not like the other ones’ — isn’t there a #Playschool song with words like that?

Rapid Antigen Test pricing worldwide:

Thailand Free - $2.00
India - $2.00
Switzerland AUD$4.00
Germany €1.00 - €5.00
Spain €2.50
Portugal €2.50 at restaurants
France free at restaurants
Cambodia AUD$2.50
Singapore free
UK  free
US  free
NZ  free
Australia $45.00

https://twitter.com/LucyTurnbull_AO/status/1479424291615563777

Lucy Turncoat 

So it’s only free in 4 countries and lack of supply in how many countries??

I have no issue paying for it and you old blokes get it for free now don’t you so what is the issue.

Pay up drive around get em and deal with it.

The other day I drove 60mins and grabbed 2.

Lack of supply was not limited to us (vax included) just ask your mate across the Tasman but of course you won’t discuss that cause it doesn’t suit.

The Kiwis have just 60 cases a day.

In any case, this is Australia and we have taxpayer-funded Aussie manufacturers selling their RATs to America while our Feds/TGA twiddle their thumbs to approve them here because the boxes the RATs come in have aboriginal art on them . 

I'm not talking for me (I'm not that old either btw  ). Supply chains are being affected by the lack of RATs leading to empty shelves at the shops. Essential workforces should get free RATs and test daily before going to work. If positive they stay home and not spread it to workmates. Minimise as much as possible spread and staff being furloughed as close contacts.

Opening up never meant not testing properly and letting the virus just rip.

I'm curious with this point MT as its very uneducated to me. What kind of threat would he pose to my kids regardless of status,  that 50000 cases yesterday and 40k today dont do already. Many of whom will be strolling into the tennis on day 7/8. This is despite the fact only a few weeks ago your mate had it at 10 days., and 14 day’s before that.

The issue with Novak here in Oz is over his visa to enter Australia. Court has just released him from immigration detention according to 7news because the Feds didn't give him enough time to weigh up his options before detaining him. No surprise another stuff up. 7news now saying the Federal Police are now heading to rearrest Novak before he's released.

Anyway, I was talking about Novak being unmasked and unvaxxed at that junior tennis award event in Serbia the day after allegedly claiming to be covid positive. Even under Serbian law, Novak should have isolated for 14 days if he was covid positive on Dec 16.

While the majority of kids are likely to only get mild symptoms, there are more and more kids ending up in hospital since they are totally unvaxxed.

There is also the unusual covid-related multi-system inflammatory syndrome where previously healthy kids are ending up in hospital with cardiac issues. In the USA, no 12-18 y.o. kids who had this syndrome and were doubled dosed needed ventilators fortunately. However, 40% of the unvaxxed children with the condition needed a ventilator. 55 kids over there have died.

It's also been found in the USA that children who have had covid were more than twice as likely to be diagnosed with diabetes as youngsters who had not had the virus.

"Long covid" is also a potential unusual condition.

Just selfish and careless for anti-vax idiots like Novak (if he wasn't lying about being covid positive) to go around while positive needlessly spreading covid willy nilly especially around others who are unvaxxed or can't get the vaccine due to their age. Not everyone at that tennis event would've been kids either. Likely there were parents/grandparents there as well watching their kids/grandkids.

ps. The Oz open will be an all ticketed event where all crowd attendees 12 and over will be vaxxed and asked to not to show up if they've got covid. It's also an open air event (unless the roof is closed where you'll need to wear a mask) and there will be no interaction between fans and the players.

[Francois Jackson]

MT I feel when it suits it’s about Australia and when it doesn’t it’s all about the world. You put up costs of rats and included countries that have far lower wages than us. Lack of rapids is a world wide thing which probably doesn’t suit your position, but it’s a fact. Cost of rapids may be more expensive here but we also get paid a lot of more than other counties, some of which you have mentioned.

Your stats on the unvaxed clogging the system now well maybe but how can that be true if 95% of the pop has been vaxed and we are getting 30,000 cases a day. 52% of hospital admissions weren’t double dosed so that means 48% were what exactly??? As for ICU beds why should anyone care when Andrews didnt built the extra beds he said he would instead of lying about it. Again probably doesn’t suit your position. Isolation is a complete waste of time as is case counting. Protect the elderly, wear a mask indoors, and for those that are scared cover yourself in plastic and stay home if you don’t want to catch covid, and let the thing rip through to give us immunity. I suspect that is exactly what that’s really doing and this will be over very soon.

Can you digest these numbers in the link for me please especially the covid monitor ones. Seems like the majority of hospital admissions are overwhelmingly double doses and icu beds tracking pretty even. What a surprise.

Bottom line is I couldn’t care less if someone who is vaxed or unvaxed is using the hospital system, just like I don’t care if someone was smoking for 40 years who is in there fighting cancer.

Regarding Novak, Scomo has completely butchered it up to the point it has the whole world laughing at our state. To save face and his career has no choice but to boot him out today. Border protection is his one wood and to date he has stuffed up. To get that hand back Joker is gone.

https://aci.health.nsw.gov.au/covid-19/critical-intelligence-unit

[1965]

Stats can be used to prove any point of view.


Scomo, Dom P and Dictator Dan will ultimately be judged when the masses get to vote.


Two losses and one win methinks.

[Francois Jackson]

Isn’t it you who provides stats on a weekly basis on this. How about stick to the topic between mt and i or wrap yourself up  in plastic mate.

As a aide note is that the same NSW that Andrews said a few days ago “ we are going to try to follow Nsw lead as much as possible? 
 

[1965]

The last political stat I posted was on Oct 25 last year.
Not quite on a weekly basis. But let's not let the truth get in the way of a good sledge.