RFC should chase the 17yo GWS picks as 1st priority [merged]

[Penelope]

Maybe they know hell go home at the first opportunity?

[Fluffy Tiger]

Here is a question for you all. Do you think Hardwick can afford to trade players or draft picks for one of these GWS picks that can NOT play next year? If we trade Foley and pick 14 (for example) and finish about the same as we did this year do you think he will have a Job to see one of these Kids come though?

Not that I m saying we shouldnt go after one but I dont think he can afford to do it.

[Willy]

Here is a question for you all. Do you think Hardwick can afford to trade players or draft picks for one of these GWS picks that can NOT play next year? If we trade Foley and pick 14 (for example) and finish about the same as we did this year do you think he will have a Job to see one of these Kids come though?

Not that I m saying we shouldn't go after one but I dont think he can afford to do it.

That scenario would leave us with a very high draft pick in next year's supposedly strong draft as well as O'Meara to come in for 2013. It obviously depends on many variables but I think people would be conscious enough of the circumstances to give Hardwick one more year.  I reckon he'd want to stick around because our midfield would be freaky good if that were to come to fruition.

[10 FLAGS]

Here is a question for you all. Do you think Hardwick can afford to trade players or draft picks for one of these GWS picks that can NOT play next year? If we trade Foley and pick 14 (for example) and finish about the same as we did this year do you think he will have a Job to see one of these Kids come though?

Not that I m saying we shouldnt go after one but I dont think he can afford to do it.

Yet its the strategy that would win him a new contract. IMHO if he did that then Richmond should immediately give him another 3 year contract. It shows that he's not just here for now and that he is here for the long term. And if we have ever needed anything at Richmond for 30 years its a coach with a view to the future and not just looking after next years results. Imagine doing such a trade and then finishing 8th next year. We'd end up going into 2013 - ineffect with two top 10 picks. Thats how you build sustainable success. Just my opinion thats all.

[Jackstar is back again]

big question if we dont play finals next year does Hardwick have a job, I think not

[YellowandBlackBlood]

big question if we dont play finals next year does Hardwick have a job, I think not

I don't think it's as simple as that nor should it be. If he is seen to be sacrificing short term moderate success for longer term ultimate success then the administration should take this into account. He is a young coach, the players play for him and respect him. He is also learning quickly from a tactical point of view and the side is improving overall. The administration also know that it is a very difficult time to be building a side from the ground up.

[Fluffy Tiger]

It is a very interesting question indeed. It probably depends on what his employers see as a succesfull 2012 and if they have the same view as him going foward. Think this trade period and draft will answer a few of those questions.

[mightytiges]

If the Club honestly assessed where our list is at then making finals would not be the main condition on whether Dimma is re-signed or not. Our list is still very young and inexperienced and outside our top 6 or so we lack the necessary quality and depth to play finals next year. The problem for Dimma though is the Club (read Craig Cameron) believes it has finished the 'transition mode' it had planned for 2010-11 and now needs to start winning and has planned to make the finals in 2012 (and 2013-14). I just don't see us playing finals next year unless everything goes our way (no injuries to key players, no drop-off in form from 2011 by our good players, soft draw, win all our close games, a number of our cubs having breakout years, etc...) and mid-ladder opposition teams fall away for whatever reason (key players lose form or injury, tough draw, etc).

Playing List (at April 2012)

30: Tuck
29: Newman
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28: Moore, Miller#
27: King
26: Foley, Jackson, Thursfield, Maric
25: Deledio, Graham, McGuane, Morton, White
24: Derickx, Grigg, Nahas, O'Reilly#
23: Connors, Edwards, Farmer, Gourdis, Houli, Riewoldt, Webberley
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22: Cotchin, Nason, Post, Rance
21: Astbury, Browne, Vickery, Jakobi#
20: Batchelor, Dea, Griffiths, Grimes, Helbig, Martin, Contin#
19: Conca, MacDonald
18: 2011 draftees...

Those in italics are questionable if they will be still at Punt Rd in 2012.

Our senior core (23-28 y.o.) is still ordinary and light on top talent. Only Lids and Jack would be classed as A-graders. That's why I don't see us making the finals next year. I still see us a year or two away.

[Penelope]

I think you are crediting craig cameron with too much power MT.

If they have got their assessment of the list wrong then the whole football club needs to take responsibility, dimma included.

The timeframe seems to all have been planned from the day dimma took over.

Those that also set the goals of three finals in 5 years etc would have also got it wrong.

these things are all done in consultation and not one person can singularly shoulder the blame when it goes wrong or the accolades when they get it right.

[JVT]

3 finals in 5 years is a goal, not a requirement.

I still think we will see enough improvement in our list next year to make the 8.

[one-eyed]

It seems GWS has found a loophole to keep O'Meara for themselves....


GWS plot to snag top youngster
Emma Quayle
October 11, 2011

GREATER Western Sydney is exploring ways to keep the country's most sought-after teenager, Western Australia's Jaeger O'Meara, for itself.

The Giants can trade the rights to four 17-year-olds over the next two years as part of the new club's draft concessions, with the original understanding that they could not hoard these players.

But GWS has found a possible loophole that could allow it to trade the first selection in next week's mini-draft to one club, then do a separate deal with a third party to get it back, once it is traded on to that second club.

The Giants put a proposed three-club deal to the league last week, which would have had them trade the rights to O'Meara to one club, then do a separate deal with the third team and select the classy onballer at Monday's mini-draft.

They were told by the league that the bold deal, believed to involve Hawthorn and Fremantle, needed more fine-tuning before it could be approved, with the AFL still examining how and under what circumstances GWS could recoup any of the mini-draft picks.

At least two other clubs have put a similar offer to the Giants, and at least one has promised not to pick O'Meara should it be granted a mini-draft pick, so that he remains in the 2012 draft pool and therefore available to GWS.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/gws-plot-to-snag-top-youngster-20111010-1lhlx.html#ixzz1aORYUbVI

[mightytiges]

Surely something such as below won't be allowed otherwise we should be on this big time:

Richmond bid and trade pick 15 to GWS for pick 1 rights in the mini-draft. GWS accepts on the priviso that we and Port agree to trade the mini-draft pick back to GWS.
Richmond then on-trades the mini-draft pick to say Port for pick 6.
Port then on-trade the mini-draft pick back to GWS for pick 5.

So everyone wins big time. GWS gain O'Meara & pick 15 for pick 5, Port move up a spot for free, and we move up 9 spots from pick 15 to pick 6 for doing GWS a favour lol.

If GWS don't want to give up pick 5 then deal with Brisbane instead of Port and we gain pick 8 for pick 15 and they lose pick 7 to Bris for O'Meara and pick 15. Adelaide (pick 10) and Melbourne (pick 12) would also be options for us to use this loophole to move up the draft order.

[10 FLAGS]

the league is becoming a joke imho.

[Eat_em_Alive]

AFL bosses: we didnt know they could do that!? 

[Owl]

un stuffing believable isn't it.  They let them print money.