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Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
« Reply #90 on: May 29, 2011, 11:02:57 PM »
With the greatest respect once again you have no idea.

It had nothing to do with ground dimensions or length of flight its about preparation.  :banghead :banghead

You dont have to be a rocket scientist to work out that hey this mob(Port) have been up here 5/6 times and do pretty well so maybe just maybe lets come up a night before to settle in and train at night in conditions we have never played in before at this ground.

Players didnt come to play last night thats true, but hey if you think its okay to be hitting up local bands and doing media, while your opponents are training at TIO stadium then you really havent got a clue.

The whole club failed us last night. We only lost by 15 but this one cuts deeper than the Hawks/Pies loss because of the way it was handled by all areas of the club.

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Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
« Reply #91 on: May 29, 2011, 11:13:48 PM »
With the greatest respect once again you have no idea.

It had nothing to do with ground dimensions or length of flight its about preparation.  :banghead :banghead

You dont have to be a rocket scientist to work out that hey this mob(Port) have been up here 5/6 times and do pretty well so maybe just maybe lets come up a night before to settle in and train at night in conditions we have never played in before at this ground.

Players didnt come to play last night thats true, but hey if you think its okay to be hitting up local bands and doing media, while your opponents are training at TIO stadium then you really havent got a clue.

The whole club failed us last night. We only lost by 15 but this one cuts deeper than the Hawks/Pies loss because of the way it was handled by all areas of the club.

what he said read above
wtf are you peeed. get rid of the tiger and put mad there instead. geez ive got it your tony abbott.

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Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
« Reply #92 on: May 29, 2011, 11:36:35 PM »
what the eff is wrong with a player having an afternoon nap before a night game?


you people have no idea.
There routine is up the creek.
The spend a tiring day travelling on the Friday, have to train and then have ordinary night sleep.
Get up next day stuffed, have to then play that night. GREAT PREPARATION NOT
Its all about routine.
We had the same routine for interstate games last year and we managed pretty well

we didnt play in darwin :banghead
So? Its about the same length of flight as it is to go to Perth
Ground is about the same size as the MCG, only difference is the humidity

With the greatest respect once again you have no idea.

It had nothing to do with ground dimensions or length of flight its about preparation.  :banghead :banghead

You dont have to be a rocket scientist to work out that hey this mob(Port) have been up here 5/6 times and do pretty well so maybe just maybe lets come up a night before to settle in and train at night in conditions we have never played in before at this ground.

Players didnt come to play last night thats true, but hey if you think its okay to be hitting up local bands and doing media, while your opponents are training at TIO stadium then you really havent got a clue.

The whole club failed us last night. We only lost by 15 but this one cuts deeper than the Hawks/Pies loss because of the way it was handled by all areas of the club.
You're going to have to explain why the preparation for interstate games that did so well for us last year was such a failure for the trip to Darwin
It was simple complacency, nothing else

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Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
« Reply #93 on: May 29, 2011, 11:39:17 PM »
Good thread Ramps but after cooling down for 24 hours I dont believe the club/Benny Gale needs to apologise.

Its not like they decided to play the game in Darwin last week.I pretty sure this was organised pre season....no one knew we would be 4-1-4 after round 9 ,with a spot in the 8 there for the taking.

The AFL is a tough competition and if you are 10% off your game (like we were) you will get rolled-even by the bottom team.
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Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
« Reply #94 on: May 30, 2011, 01:42:05 AM »
From: Pies boast huge financial advantages on their rivals
Jon Ralph
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May 30, 2011


IT was almost as if Collingwood was rubbing its rival's noses in its extraordinary wealth.

In the same week Port launched a glorified tin rattle and Richmond cost itself four points by selling a home game to Darwin, the Pies flashed the cash.

Richmond's decision to sell a game to Darwin smacked of everything the club has been trying to eradicate through its Fighting Tiger Fund.

Why fund your own reserves team and revamp Punt Rd Oval when the difference between September or bust can be whether or not you play 11 games at home?

Tigers chief executive Brendon Gale will argue only when the club clears its debt can it control its fixturing destiny, and he is spot on.

Instead of waking up yesterday morning with his side equal fifth, Damien Hardwick's side was in that familiar slot of ninth on the ladder.

Richmond would not have dropped a contest against footy's worst side at Etihad Stadium, yet at TIO Stadium it always loomed as a massive danger game.

The Tigers had never played at TIO Stadium against a Port Adelaide side on its seventh trip there, and it showed.

Many Power players wore gloves in the hot, dewy conditions, and for whatever reason, the Tigers totally failed to embrace all of Darwin's challenges.

Anyone who has travelled to Darwin knows anything and everything often goes - did the Power handle the lights fiasco better than a Richmond side on its virgin trip up north?

On that subject, what century are we living in?

That we might be forced to postpone a game because the lights threaten to fail is unacceptable for an AFL administration that has just signed a $1.25 million broadcast deal.

You can imagine the frank discussion the late and great AFL grounds manager Jill Lindsay might have had with stadium management this week.

Collingwood knows that in a competition where all teams are equal, some are more equal than others.

But rivals cannot complain because the Pies would never sell a home game to an interstate location.

Footy's equalisation committee is crunching the numbers, but the sell-off home games should be at the top of its list.

Read more: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/pies-boast-huge-financial-advantages-on-their-rivals/story-fn7si0bn-1226065164763

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Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
« Reply #95 on: May 30, 2011, 07:08:04 AM »
Jon Ralph
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That we might be forced to postpone a game because the lights threaten to fail is unacceptable for an AFL administration that has just signed a $1.25 million broadcast deal.



I think you mean 1.25 Billion Ralphy  ;D if it was $1.25 mil it would explain the lights fiasco
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Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
« Reply #96 on: May 30, 2011, 11:06:04 AM »
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Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
« Reply #97 on: May 30, 2011, 01:27:48 PM »
what the eff is wrong with a player having an afternoon nap before a night game?


you people have no idea.
There routine is up the creek.
The spend a tiring day travelling on the Friday, have to train and then have ordinary night sleep.
Get up next day stuffed, have to then play that night. GREAT PREPARATION NOT
Its all about routine.
We had the same routine for interstate games last year and we managed pretty well

That's a fair point Infamy - it worked last year but we did play in venues that we've played at many times before

This is different...but I might add:

That Port went up a day earlier is not the issue IMO

Bottom line is they were smart. They did their training at the ground under lights basically in the conditions that they were going to play in

Why didn't we do the same thing?

We flew up Friday morning got there around 2.00pm

We trained Friday arvo around 3.30pm for about 45minutes and then signed autographs for another 30-40 mins (which is fine btw).

But why didn't we train under lights at around 7.00pm surely that would have made more sense than training in heat of the day which is very different to how the heat is at night

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Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
« Reply #98 on: May 30, 2011, 02:52:30 PM »
High price
By Ashley Browne
1:47 PM Mon 30 May, 2011



RICHMOND’S announcement last year that it would play a home game at Darwin’s TIO Stadium was drew little fanfare and less fuss.

Taking the AFL game to a developing market while helping the club's all-important bottom line? Who could argue with that?

Fast forward to the game itself. Never mind the power failure that caused the floodlights to dim just before the game and that nearly caused the game’s postponement, the most damage on the night was caused to Richmond, which lost to Port Adelaide by 15 points.

Had the Richmond home game been played at the MCG, it is hard to imagine the Tigers dropping the points. The Tigers have been good at their ‘true’ home ground for much of the season and with 40,000 fans in full voice, they would have rammed that advantage home against an opponent down on form and confidence, and without a win at the MCG since round 4, 2009.

Now they’re out of the eight and in the midst of what will become a logjam for positions in the lower half of the finals race, along with Fremantle, Sydney, Melbourne, the Western Bulldogs and the suddenly resurgent St Kilda.

If the Tigers fall short at the end of the season, be it for a home final in the opening week of the finals (not so likely) or the finals themselves (a bit more likely), moving a home game to Darwin, and then losing, will be offered up as a key reason why.

It has happened before. Melbourne ‘sold’ a home game to the Brisbane Lions at the Gabba every year between 2001 and 2007, and the effect it had on both clubs in some of those years was quite dramatic.

2001: The Brisbane Lions beat Melbourne by 49 points. The Lions finished second that year, earning a home qualifying final against Port Adelaide, which they won. Had the clash with Melbourne been at the MCG and the Demons had won, then Port would have hosted that first final and the Lions might not have won, making their path to the Grand Final all the more difficult. The Demons, with one more win to their name, would have been right in the mix for a finals berth.

2004: The Lions enjoyed a comfortable 40-point win over Melbourne at the Gabba in round 10. But the Demons were 7-2 at the time and flying. They would nearly have won it at the MCG. The net effect was that the Demons finished a game out of fourth (and the double chance) and were bundled out of the finals in the opening week by Essendon amid cries of protest towards the club’s administration by Melbourne supporters.

But the biggest loser out of the switch that year might have been St Kilda, which finished third - equal on points with the Lions but 10 percentage points behind. The Saints were belted by the Lions at the Gabba in the qualifying final. But had they the luxury of a home game in week one, they may have won through to a home preliminary final, where the odds of making the Grand Final, in what was a very even season, would have been greatly enhanced.

Granted, there are lots of ifs, buts and maybes in any discussion about what the results of games might have been had the venues not been switched. But while Port Adelaide hasn’t been overly successful at TIO Stadium (with three wins from seven encounters) it is familiar with the venue and the tropical environment and this gave it a tremendous advantage against the Tigers, who were visiting for the first time.

Take away the black shorts and it was an away game for the Tigers in every other respect and as we know, developing teams struggle to win on the road.

Heaven help the Tiger administration if they drop their other transplanted home game, against Gold Coast in Cairns in round 17.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/115078/default.aspx

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Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
« Reply #99 on: May 30, 2011, 03:03:00 PM »
what the eff is wrong with a player having an afternoon nap before a night game?


you people have no idea.
There routine is up the creek.
The spend a tiring day travelling on the Friday, have to train and then have ordinary night sleep.
Get up next day stuffed, have to then play that night. GREAT PREPARATION NOT
Its all about routine.
We had the same routine for interstate games last year and we managed pretty well

That's a fair point Infamy - it worked last year but we did play in venues that we've played at many times before

This is different...but I might add:

That Port went up a day earlier is not the issue IMO

Bottom line is they were smart. They did their training at the ground under lights basically in the conditions that they were going to play in

Why didn't we do the same thing?

We flew up Friday morning got there around 2.00pm

We trained Friday arvo around 3.30pm for about 45minutes and then signed autographs for another 30-40 mins (which is fine btw).

But why didn't we train under lights at around 7.00pm surely that would have made more sense than training in heat of the day which is very different to how the heat is at night


The training time was definitely a mistake and hopefully the club will learn from that next year. It really is amazing how slippery that yellow ball gets in those conditions.

In saying that the big killer was that the boys were just flat for the entire game, which although disappointing was not a real surprise.

All this talk that playing in darwin cost us the game is pure crap. we lost the game because we were not goos enough onn the night - simple as that.
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Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
« Reply #100 on: May 31, 2011, 06:55:26 AM »
Agree with Al. About the decision to play the game in Darwin Gale was acting in the best interests of the club. There was never any guarantee we would beat port in Melbourne. We have a poor record against them. The club needs to wipe its debt. In an expanded competition a well resourced football department is essential. We played poorly and payed the price. Good teams can play at any ground. Harwick will make sure they learn from this.

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Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
« Reply #101 on: May 31, 2011, 10:06:38 AM »

We trained Friday arvo around 3.30pm for about 45minutes and then signed autographs for another 30-40 mins (which is fine btw).

But why didn't we train under lights at around 7.00pm surely that would have made more sense than training in heat of the day which is very different to how the heat is at night


And you couldn't even call it a training run WP, light jog at best.

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« Reply #102 on: May 31, 2011, 10:08:56 AM »

................. and as we know, developing teams struggle to win on the road.


The only modicum of sense in that whole article of conjecture and crap.

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« Reply #103 on: May 31, 2011, 11:33:40 AM »

................. and as we know, developing teams struggle to win on the road.


The only modicum of sense in that whole article of conjecture and crap.
...except for last year

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Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
« Reply #104 on: May 31, 2011, 11:41:18 AM »
...except for last year

We didn't go that great on the road last year when you think about it

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