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Re: Something positive - Foley
« Reply #105 on: August 11, 2007, 06:34:06 PM »
last nights was better cos it was v the skunks lol

btw, we may be bottom team, but foley deserves an AA spot this yr

certainly deserves it but getting it is another thing
He probably won't get it because we've only won 2 games but that makes it even more impressive that Axel is No 1 in clearances in the comp. He has to do it virtually himself without help from other gun midfielders around him. 

that is what i mean. on merit and performance he deserves it, but the team performance will prove a hindrance in him achieving an AA guernsey

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Re: Something positive - Foley
« Reply #106 on: August 11, 2007, 07:06:28 PM »
Just to repeat Axel is a GUN!  :bow

That goal was just as brilliant as the one he kicked against the Saints  :bow. Loved that burst from the centre and bullet pass to Polak in the first quarter too  :bow.



saints one was even better but last nights running goal was still superb  :bow
They showed last night's goal again on the newses. I didn't notice this watching it live but Axel had Rhyce Shaw chasing him who is quick and Shaw didn't make up any ground on Axel  :o.
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Re: Something positive - Foley
« Reply #107 on: August 12, 2007, 08:16:43 AM »
last nights was better cos it was v the skunks lol

btw, we may be bottom team, but foley deserves an AA spot this yr

certainly deserves it but getting it is another thing
He probably won't get it because we've only won 2 games but that makes it even more impressive that Axel is No 1 in clearances in the comp. He has to do it virtually himself without help from other gun midfielders around him. 

if the AA selectors were fair dinkum, they would not look at results, they would look at who is the best in each position. thats how it should bge

yes we are last, but foley is no1 in the comp at centre clearances, thats alone should get him an AA spot because imagine how good or how much more dominant he would be if he was in a team that was always winning. if we were top 4 atm, foley would be brownlow fav! but we arent so he isnt. but when it comes to AA selection  , your teams ladder position should not matter

fev last year should have been AA ff, not sure if he was, but he won the coleman, from a bottom team!!!!

lockett iirc was an AA fwd from a dud st kilda team

when thesese selectors look at the team, they must select who is the best in that position full stop, and foley this yr is 2nd to none

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Re: Something positive - Foley
« Reply #108 on: August 12, 2007, 04:09:47 PM »
Amusing in hindsight what different people see in junior footballers. In 2003, Colin Wisbey saw Foley as the next Crawford whereas a watcher on the old Hawk Headquarters forum had him too slight to play anywhere more than a FP or wing in the AFL and a just a rookie at best:

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http://www.voy.com/51976/628.html
Date Posted: 14:25:37 12/20/03 Sat
Author: Colin Wisbey

Subject: Profile: Nathan Foley

Nathan Foley (Geelong Falcons)

178/74 mid-age right foot (dual-sided) inside midfielder/flanker.

Very quick ball-magnet with great leap, ethic.

I have him 35 in my rankings but I think more highly of him than that indicates. When I first played around with putting the players in some order based purely on my liking for them (without referring to my notes) I actually had him earlier. However, the need to accommodate talls earlier in the list (9 moved ahead) and certain other types for whom there is more demand (eg taller midfielders and some more robust types), and a preference to elevate kids who are very young or who have had injury affected seasons, along with a couple of queries I have in my notes about Foley, saw him keep slip down the order.

Were we in 1993 instead of 2003, I would have him earlier than 35. However this era of scrumby places greater emphasis on big-bodied types and that's where Foley is likely to be at a disadvantage.

May well go even later than I have him. Might be ready year 2, subject to weight.

*STYLE LIKE: Crawford

*TRADEMARK:

- Burst from traffic then accurate feed or accurate uppish kick
- Quick accurate clever feed or tap-on from traffic to a team mate running past.

*SUMMARY ASSESSMENT, RECOMMENDATION:

Is not big but is a natural footballer.

A coach's delight - on and off field.

I compared his style to Crawford's but even though Crawford is 4cm shorter and currently in the same weight bracket as the barely 18yo Foley, I recall Crawford even at Foley's age being more robust and better balanced inside traffic.

Moves well, poise under pressure, balance.

Excellent pace and ethic, uses well, smart.

Quick thinker & good user under pressure.

With more weight/strength I still think he could be more than handy AFL. Main query with his size and lack of strength is what role?

*DISPOSAL, DECISION-MAKING, SMARTS:

- Natural footballer. Highly creative. Reads ball well, reads play well. Especially consistent at roving the pack at stop plays. Has serious smarts, vision. Ball magnet midfielder who often receives but does also sit under fall of ball at stop plays and does get plenty of hard-ball. Good traffic management. Except for a lack of strength, is very good in close. Also roves the pack well.

- Excellent user by hand and accurate by foot.

- Terrific hands. Very clever and reliable at quick, accurate clever feed (including look-away) or tap-on / tap-over from traffic to a team mate running past.

- Is seriously dual-sided.
- Kicks are generally accurate but my problem with them is hang-time - they tend to float and put his team mate under pressure in doing so. Were it not for this and his physical strength, I would have him earlier. Having said that, he can regularly do a worm-burner pin-point pass over about 30m - even on his non-preferred foot.
- Good depth.
- Dangerous around goal but not super reliable. Adept at reflex snaps from in and around the goal-square. Snaps well but can also score from outside 50.

- Occasionally has a momentary lapse of concentration that can see an opponent slip him when he is man on the mark or watching elsewhere.

*HANDS:

- Clean handler, clean feeder.

*OVERHEAD MARKING:

- He plays small but is reliable when he goes for it 1-1. Great leap, sure hands.

*ATHLETICISM, INTENSITY, ETHIC, CONSISTENCY:

- Often plays art a "comfortable" pace around the ground below top gear but he is has lightning speed when he wants to use it, both off the mark and over ground. Terrific closing speed in a chase and ability to find another gear when being chased.

- Huge leap. I can't emphasis this enough. One of the factors against Foley is that he is only 178cm. He also has a 4cm reach disadvantage compared to the average player of his height. However, his leap more than compensates. I have noted this on many occasions throughout the year and his DC/SS result confirms it (beat95% of the 168 attendees). Sometimes a player has better or worse results in a DC test than they show in a game. Not Foley. The best single example probably came from the VC vs SA '03 U18 Champs game where he jumped high naturally, without any real run-up, to spoil an overhead marking attempt by the 201cm Dubieniecki, who was in good position in front of Foley.

- Great ethic, intensity. Is desperate. Throws himself under packs, chases, blocks, other 1%ers. Covers heap of ground. Runs and runs. Prolific tackler. (3rd in TAC comp).

- Lacks strength. Lays a heap of tackles, often with quite good technique, but quite a few don't stick. He currently lacks the strength to impede the opponent often enough. May improve in time with strength but is a problem against a strong opponent at the moment. Similarly, lack of strength sees him brought down and/or stripped too often.

- Has good evasion skills and should display them more often. Tends to mainly rely on his great pace at this stage.

- Courageous.

*SCI (SCOPE FOR CONTINUOUS IMPROVEMENT):

- Nothing special.

*AFL VERSATILITY:

- 178cm is an awkward height but especially for a slim guy. With extra strength he could play midfield in time. Meantime I see AFL potential as HFF, FP or even BP. Has a great combination of speed, acceleration, courage, disposal, smarts, leap.

*QUERY:

- Strength.
- Hang-time of kicks.

*SOME STATS:

- TAC: Averaged 30 disposals in 17 TAC games (3rd in comp). 3.7 marks, 6.6 tackles (3rd in comp), total 12 goals-11. 67% of disposals are kicks. 12% of his possessions are marks. At least 30 disposals in 10 games, including a 43. 2nd quietest game was 21D. Ast least 8 tackles in 8 games, including a 10 and an 11.
- Mid-way trend .. % change in disposals was 7%. % change in marks was -50%. % change in tackles was 15%.

- Stats summary '03 U18 Champs:
Averaged 15 disposals and 2.0 marks in 3 U18 Rep games.
Kicks vs feeds: approc ratio 2:1 favouring kicks (same as his TAC pattern).
Tackles: 5
S.P. clearances: 7 incl 2 cbc
Gets own ball?: 16/45 TD were HR. 6 HBG
Kicks long vs short: even
Kicking accuracy: 9/29 were ineff/clang incl 2 clang
Handball accuracy: 3/16 were ineff/clang incl 1 clang
Marking: 6 (incl 0 contested)

*OTHER STUFF:
- TAC Team Of Year TY: ROV.
- Won '03 club B&F.

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Re: Something positive - Foley
« Reply #109 on: August 12, 2007, 04:12:19 PM »
http://www.hawkheadquarters.com/article.aspx?articleid=949

Nathan Foley

Details:
Club: Colac
DOB: 8 Sep 85 Hgt: 177cm Wgt: 74kg
Position: Onballer/Forward Pocket
Natural foot: Right

Honours:
Victoria Country 2003
3rd in TAC Coaches Award 2003
Rover in TAC Team of the Year
State Screening Camp Invitee 2003

TAC Stats:
2002: 14 games, 3 goals, 24.4 PPG.
2003: 17 games, 12 goals, 30.2 PPG.

Profile:
Foley had a sensational year for Geelong and was a worthy choice as 1st rover in the TAC team of the year. He is basically an onballer who gathers a mountain of possessions and enjoys kicking a goal. However, there is one major query I have over him that would make me very wary of even rookie listing him.

Nathan is very good in close - his hands are excellent, and he is extremely creative. Will give off a handball that looks like a fluke, but he is capable of doing it all the time - vision in a contested situation is first class.

He works hard in close, lays tackles, but is still very slight and would need a couple of seasons on the weights if he was to play anywhere else but forward pocket or wing.

Foley loves a goal, he will shoot on sight pretty much. Is capable of some brilliant snaps. He likes to play on and gain metres by carrying the ball at every opportunity. Has a fair bit of pace, something he apparently worked hard on during the summer.

Consistent possession winner (more than 16 in every match, best of 43 against Oakleigh). However, my major concern is his kicking. Although he is not afraid to kick on either foot, his disposal by foot, particularly under pressure, can be very poor. A lot of his kicks seem to materialise into Steven Greene floaters - far too many for my liking. If it wasn't for this he'd certainly be worth a look.

However, Foley is very slight and my concerns over his disposal by foot mean I'd consider him only a possible rookie list at best.

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Foley deserves All-Australian reward - Wallace
« Reply #110 on: August 14, 2007, 09:18:31 PM »
Foley deserves All-Australian reward: Wallace
6:51 PM Tue 14 August, 2007
By Ben Broad,
richmondfc.com.au

RICHMOND coach Terry Wallace believes his star midfielder Nathan Foley deserves an All-Australian jumper for his efforts this season.

Foley has clearly been the Tigers’ best this year, transforming himself from a ball-winner last season to the competition’s best clearance player, breaking the lines with genuine speed.

Foley leads his club in disposals (475) and while some believe an All-Australian jumper must be earned with more than one standout season, his coach thinks the 21-year-old is certainly worthy of consideration.

“I think he’s had an outstanding season, I think his numbers stack up,” Wallace said.

He said a growing trend rewarded successful teams and their players, giving players in sides at the bottom end of the ladder little motivation.

“There’s not much reward these days for players playing in lower-based teams,” Wallace said.

“I think in the past we’ve always sort of known that a Bobby Skilton or a Kevin Murray could win the Brownlow Medal from (such) sides, or at the very least the best players in the worst sides had the chance to represent the Big V.

“There was something for those guys, so I think it’d (Foley’s possible selection) be just reward for someone playing against the odds.”

Wallace acknowledged Foley hadn’t plied his trade for as long as some of the AFL’s other elite midfielders but believed that shouldn’t matter when selectors came to picking their team of the year.

“It’s his first full season, so is he a one-hit wonder? Yes, he is because he’s only had one chance at a hit and he’s had the hit first up,” Wallace said.

“He’s got 10 years ahead of him to become a two, three, four and five-hit wonder.

“Look, the selection of the team is meant to be for that year and you know we’ve had some great players play one-off great years.”

The Tigers coach said he appreciated the view that consistency over a period should count for something.

He cited Brisbane Lions champion Jonathan Brown – who has never been named in an All-Australian team – as one who selectors might look to reward in the future, but he said standout years such as Foley’s always deserved recognition.

“I can understand how some (players) might have been close in other years and so therefore you want to reward them … there is a longevity factor in the game, I think that’s fair and reasonable.

“But still, I think if you’re good enough in a given year you should be able to get there whether you’re 21 and just coming into the game or in your last season.”

http://www.richmondfc.com.au/Season2007/News/NewsArticle/tabid/6301/Default.aspx?newsId=49115

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Re: Foley deserves All-Australian reward - Wallace
« Reply #111 on: August 15, 2007, 03:30:57 AM »
More from Plough in the Age:

And you ask any players … it is a damn sight easier to get a kick in a really good side that's winning than what it is in a side that's struggling."

While not suggesting the All-Australian selection system was flawed, Wallace said it was only natural that recognition was given more often to those in the top sides.

"We reward the best in everything we do in life … and the best players from the best sides get the greater accolades. But maybe they're the best player in the best side because they've got better players standing next to them," he said.

Without a recognised ruckman in the side for much of the season to give him first use of the ball, Wallace believed Foley's efforts had been all the more impressive. "I think it's been a remarkable effort anyway. I think if you asked Nathan, he'd love to have Coxy (West Coast's Dean Cox), who he'll be playing against on the weekend, or Brendon Lade tapping him the ball on a weekly basis," Wallace said.

"Any midfielder would like that. Our guys have been trying to read off the opposition (and) I think we've got better at it. Players like Adam Pattison have got better at the trade over the course of the season still giving away height and strength to their opponents and I think our midfield has got better at reading their opponents."

http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/foley-deserves-to-be-allaustralian-wallace/2007/08/14/1186857513235.html

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Re: Something positive - Foley
« Reply #112 on: August 18, 2007, 11:02:09 PM »
What did we think of Walls' comments on Foley tonight that Foley needs to stop trying to be a star all the time going for the bomb goal and find our forwards more often?

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Re: Something positive - Foley
« Reply #113 on: August 18, 2007, 11:05:37 PM »
What did we think of Walls' comments on Foley tonight that Foley needs to stop trying to be a star all the time going for the bomb goal and find our forwards more often?

pfff, If Foley nailed them like he did last week Walls would be licking his balls

Anyways you knock someone for one poor game

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Re: Something positive - Foley
« Reply #114 on: August 19, 2007, 06:26:25 PM »
Foley has nailed those shots on the run this year so you can't bag him for backing himself. Last week he's a gun because he kicked the crucial goal and this week he's glory chasing  ::). Walls flip flopping again  :sleep.
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Re: Something positive - Foley
« Reply #115 on: August 19, 2007, 09:17:10 PM »
Another person who flip flops.

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Foley, Geelong Falcons article (The Age)
« Reply #116 on: September 16, 2007, 04:06:33 AM »
Falcons spread their wings and find their mark
Emma Quayle | September 16, 2007

WHEN Richmond most recently played Geelong, the Cats won by 70 points and yet Nathan Foley managed 35 possessions.

How? By running, running, and then running some more. And by having a reasonable idea what one of his childhood teammates, Mark Blake, was up to in the ruck.

"It was funny," Foley remembered. "I just roved to him all day."

There were 30 former Geelong Falcons in AFL squads this season, and both Foley and Blake, teammates in 2003, are among them.

Foley left Geelong as a Richmond rookie-lister in 2003. He won the Falcons' best-and-fairest that year, but was told that he was probably too small for the next level.

At 18, he left knowing more about weight training, nutrition and "all the little things" about football that he would not have got his head around at home in Colac.

But he also graduated with a clear understanding of how much work he still had to do.

"It was such a good environment down there because they wanted you to be the best you could …" Foley said. "They were always pumping you up, but at the same time, they were so realistic about how good your chances were and where you still needed to improve. There's only so many guys get drafted each year and coming through you're made to understand that. I think that's really important."

It is a message Turner will push to current Falcons. As Ablett, Bartel, Foley, Brown, Ling and Lucas contemplate their first All-Australian honours, five of this year's under-18 team have been invited to next month's draft camp, and eight more to a separate screening session.

Remember the names of Lachie Henderson, Patrick Dangerfield and Chris Kangars, among others.

TOP GUNS

Geelong Falcons in the 2007 All-Australian squad

Scott Lucas graduated 1994
Matthew Scarlett 1997
Jonathan Brown 1999
Cameron Ling 1999
Gary Ablett 2001
James Bartel 2001
Luke Hodge 2001
Nathan Foley 2003

Full article at: http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/falcons-spread-their-wings-and-find-their-mark/2007/09/15/1189277043028.html?page=fullpage

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Re: Something positive - Foley
« Reply #117 on: October 02, 2007, 05:43:47 PM »
Brian Royal RFC player review

Nathan Foley

Nathan had an outstanding year and played every game of the season. Averaged 24 or 25 possessions a game and was sat on very heavily, particularly in the second half of the year. He has had an outstanding rise from our point of view and we just look forward to the future and just how much more he can improve. 

http://richmondfc.com.au/Season2007/News/NewsArticle/tabid/6301/Default.aspx?newsId=52026

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Re: Something positive - Foley
« Reply #118 on: October 02, 2007, 08:20:47 PM »
what l really think
Foley owns a wooden spoon thats how good
what a shame to have a spoon
dont pump him up

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Re: Something positive - Foley
« Reply #119 on: October 02, 2007, 10:23:20 PM »
is that you monk?

you've posted the exact same poo in 3 threads already