Steven Morris [merged]

[Gigantor]

KB was a crap kick in field play but over time it certainly didn't effect him.He got the ball so often and kept pushing it forward that it didn't really matter

[big tone]

What did he go at by foot in 2014?

Apparently ~79% but I couldn't take you seriously if you trust kicking efficiency stats for any footballer.

Not sure what highlights packages you are watching but take a look at the one on the RFC site. Doesn't miss a target.
I'd be interested to see what packages you have seen. Can you post a link?

Watch the first 1:30 of this (or the rest if you want) and you'll see why https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qK7IYSZn9PM . Don't have to wait long for him to miss a simple kick as he does it the very first kick of the video. Then watch until 1:20 and you'll see him hit his first target by foot

For a kid who takes the game on like this kid does 79% efficiency is very good. I know that stat doesn't really help your take, but it's there for all to see. If he kicked backwards and sideways like Ellis I'd say the stat is a little overinflated.
Also that fact he is kicking out from goal on a couple of occasions tells me his coaches rate his kicking. He is playing for the big V and against the best kids in the land. No doubt he misses some targets in that clip but his other clip on the RFC site shows him to be a very reliable kick.
Take a look and let me know what you think.

[Yeahright]

All you have to do is bomb it long and it's counted as effective so I'm sorry but I just don't believe in the kicking efficiency stat otherwise I'd have to believe Matt Dea (83.1%) or Rance (79.8%) is a better kick than Brandon Ellis (73.4% with his 'overinflated' stats) or Martin (67%) or Deledio (71.8%).  Well actually I read somewhere that one of his coaches or one of the AFL talent guys didn't really rate his kicking or decision making and if I could dig it up I would but I can't remember where I read it. Not sure of your point regarding the big V comment because if it's some sort of excuse for his kicking then what's it going to be like when he steps up to AFL?

Yep looks reliable in that video but you can see from that video they chopped and chose what disposals to put on the video whereas the other one was more of a full showing of all his disposals.

Hopefully we get to see not only his kicking skills in the NAB but also his blistering pace which we desperately need

[big tone]

All you have to do is bomb it long and it's counted as effective so I'm sorry but I just don't believe in the kicking efficiency stat otherwise I'd have to believe Matt Dea (83.1%) or Rance (79.8%) is a better kick than Brandon Ellis (73.4% with his 'overinflated' stats) or Martin (67%) or Deledio (71.8%).  Well actually I read somewhere that one of his coaches or one of the AFL talent guys didn't really rate his kicking or decision making and if I could dig it up I would but I can't remember where I read it. Not sure of your point regarding the big V comment because if it's some sort of excuse for his kicking then what's it going to be like when he steps up to AFL?

Yep looks reliable in that video but you can see from that video they chopped and chose what disposals to put on the video whereas the other one was more of a full showing of all his disposals.

Hopefully we get to see not only his kicking skills in the NAB but also his blistering pace which we desperately need

All i meant about playing for the big V was he was kicking in from goal with all the best talent available to do so in his place.
With the kicking efficiency, I agree that it can sometimes not really indicate how good or bad a player is. And as you said if you kick it long to a contest it's considered effective. That's just how it's done, I don't mind if a kick to a contest is called effective, it's creates a 50/50 contest and that not a lose. There isn't always a free player to kick to so why should a kick to a contest be called not effective.
For me it's more about what sort of pressure a player is under when he does kick the footy but there is no stat for that. I think people hear something or see a couple of bad kicks from a player and then label them bad kicks for their careers. Alex Rance is a good example, he is a very reliable kick, not to say he doesn't mess one up occasionally but he better than people give him credit for.
Anyway just my take. I really hope some of these kids like George get a go because we desparately need their pace and their attack on the game. Kids like George, break lines and give your forwards a better than even chance. 

[Chuck17]

All you have to do is bomb it long and it's counted as effective so I'm sorry but I just don't believe in the kicking efficiency stat otherwise I'd have to believe Matt Dea (83.1%) or Rance (79.8%) is a better kick than Brandon Ellis (73.4% with his 'overinflated' stats) or Martin (67%) or Deledio (71.8%).  Well actually I read somewhere that one of his coaches or one of the AFL talent guys didn't really rate his kicking or decision making and if I could dig it up I would but I can't remember where I read it. Not sure of your point regarding the big V comment because if it's some sort of excuse for his kicking then what's it going to be like when he steps up to AFL?

Yep looks reliable in that video but you can see from that video they chopped and chose what disposals to put on the video whereas the other one was more of a full showing of all his disposals.

Hopefully we get to see not only his kicking skills in the NAB but also his blistering pace which we desperately need

All i meant about playing for the big V was he was kicking in from goal with all the best talent available to do so in his place.
With the kicking efficiency, I agree that it can sometimes not really indicate how good or bad a player is. And as you said if you kick it long to a contest it's considered effective. That's just how it's done, I don't mind if a kick to a contest is called effective, it's creates a 50/50 contest and that not a lose. There isn't always a free player to kick to so why should a kick to a contest be called not effective.
For me it's more about what sort of pressure a player is under when he does kick the footy but there is no stat for that. I think people hear something or see a couple of bad kicks from a player and then label them bad kicks for their careers. Alex Rance is a good example, he is a very reliable kick, not to say he doesn't mess one up occasionally but he better than people give him credit for.
Anyway just my take. I really hope some of these kids like George get a go because we desparately need their pace and their attack on the game. Kids like George, break lines and give your forwards a better than even chance. 

The best one is Cotch where he will play a game with an opposition player with two hands in his shorts and his kicks are under intense pressure as he is being tackled practically before he has the ball.

Then some boof head will read the stats and either forgets the game or never watched it and start poofing on how Cotch is a bad kick

[big tone]

All you have to do is bomb it long and it's counted as effective so I'm sorry but I just don't believe in the kicking efficiency stat otherwise I'd have to believe Matt Dea (83.1%) or Rance (79.8%) is a better kick than Brandon Ellis (73.4% with his 'overinflated' stats) or Martin (67%) or Deledio (71.8%).  Well actually I read somewhere that one of his coaches or one of the AFL talent guys didn't really rate his kicking or decision making and if I could dig it up I would but I can't remember where I read it. Not sure of your point regarding the big V comment because if it's some sort of excuse for his kicking then what's it going to be like when he steps up to AFL?

Yep looks reliable in that video but you can see from that video they chopped and chose what disposals to put on the video whereas the other one was more of a full showing of all his disposals.

Hopefully we get to see not only his kicking skills in the NAB but also his blistering pace which we desperately need

All i meant about playing for the big V was he was kicking in from goal with all the best talent available to do so in his place.
With the kicking efficiency, I agree that it can sometimes not really indicate how good or bad a player is. And as you said if you kick it long to a contest it's considered effective. That's just how it's done, I don't mind if a kick to a contest is called effective, it's creates a 50/50 contest and that not a lose. There isn't always a free player to kick to so why should a kick to a contest be called not effective.
For me it's more about what sort of pressure a player is under when he does kick the footy but there is no stat for that. I think people hear something or see a couple of bad kicks from a player and then label them bad kicks for their careers. Alex Rance is a good example, he is a very reliable kick, not to say he doesn't mess one up occasionally but he better than people give him credit for.
Anyway just my take. I really hope some of these kids like George get a go because we desparately need their pace and their attack on the game. Kids like George, break lines and give your forwards a better than even chance. 

The best one is Cotch where he will play a game with an opposition player with two hands in his shorts and his kicks are under intense pressure as he is being tackled practically before he has the ball.

Then some boof head will read the stats and either forgets the game or never watched it and start sissying on how Cotch is a bad kick

Perfect example. 
Also players like Dusty who when he has the footy is wiling to back himself to make a kick that only the top kicks in the AFL can make. Some don't come off and his kicking efficiency suffers but I'll take that risk with him all day long. He can win you games of footy with his kicking.

[Yeahright]

All you have to do is bomb it long and it's counted as effective so I'm sorry but I just don't believe in the kicking efficiency stat otherwise I'd have to believe Matt Dea (83.1%) or Rance (79.8%) is a better kick than Brandon Ellis (73.4% with his 'overinflated' stats) or Martin (67%) or Deledio (71.8%).  Well actually I read somewhere that one of his coaches or one of the AFL talent guys didn't really rate his kicking or decision making and if I could dig it up I would but I can't remember where I read it. Not sure of your point regarding the big V comment because if it's some sort of excuse for his kicking then what's it going to be like when he steps up to AFL?

Yep looks reliable in that video but you can see from that video they chopped and chose what disposals to put on the video whereas the other one was more of a full showing of all his disposals.

Hopefully we get to see not only his kicking skills in the NAB but also his blistering pace which we desperately need

All i meant about playing for the big V was he was kicking in from goal with all the best talent available to do so in his place.
With the kicking efficiency, I agree that it can sometimes not really indicate how good or bad a player is. And as you said if you kick it long to a contest it's considered effective. That's just how it's done, I don't mind if a kick to a contest is called effective, it's creates a 50/50 contest and that not a lose. There isn't always a free player to kick to so why should a kick to a contest be called not effective.
For me it's more about what sort of pressure a player is under when he does kick the footy but there is no stat for that. I think people hear something or see a couple of bad kicks from a player and then label them bad kicks for their careers. Alex Rance is a good example, he is a very reliable kick, not to say he doesn't mess one up occasionally but he better than people give him credit for.
Anyway just my take. I really hope some of these kids like George get a go because we desparately need their pace and their attack on the game. Kids like George, break lines and give your forwards a better than even chance. 

Oh okay I obviously took it a different way, can't really argue with that.
The only problem with 50/50 long kicks is it does skew the kicking in the favour of the guy who does run and carry and bang long by giving a stat saying his kicking is good whereas really it might not be. I agree with Rance getting a raw deal, most of the time he is a reliable kick except for his occasional blunder but going by those stats he is 'better' than Martin who is a much better kick but often takes the agressive kick that's hard to pin point.

  Yep definitely deserves a crack and could be a decent player especially if (IMO) he cleans up his kicking

[one-eyed]

Morris interview on East Gippsland radio 3GG:

AUDIO: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2015-02-11/morris-preseason-update


* The shoulder is all sorted now.  I’m back into full contact training and the shoulder’s coping really, really well.  So, onwards and upwards from here.

* It was frustrating because I couldn’t do what I wanted to be able to do.  I wasn’t able to train like I would like to train. I had to sit out of sessions at training and it was frustrating watching the other boys go about their weekly routine, especially when we were struggling in the first half of the season. Also not being able to play to a standard that you’d like to be able to play to. But you’ve got to look past that and now I’ve had the surgery, I’ve been able to do pretty much every session for the past month fully. Hopefully that holds me in good stead for the season to come.

* It’s a massive honor to be [included in the leadership group] alongside Trent, Ivan and Brett as our captain and vice-captains/ From my point of view, to be able to sit alongside them and just learn from them, first and foremost, learn from their experiences and what they can pass on to myself, it’s a great experience for me. It’s certainly something that I’m very proud of.

Full article: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2015-02-11/morris-in-good-shape

[Diocletian]

All you have to do is bomb it long and it's counted as effective so I'm sorry but I just don't believe in the kicking efficiency stat otherwise I'd have to believe Matt Dea (83.1%) or Rance (79.8%) is a better kick than Brandon Ellis (73.4% with his 'overinflated' stats) or Martin (67%) or Deledio (71.8%).  Well actually I read somewhere that one of his coaches or one of the AFL talent guys didn't really rate his kicking or decision making and if I could dig it up I would but I can't remember where I read it. Not sure of your point regarding the big V comment because if it's some sort of excuse for his kicking then what's it going to be like when he steps up to AFL?

Yep looks reliable in that video but you can see from that video they chopped and chose what disposals to put on the video whereas the other one was more of a full showing of all his disposals.

Hopefully we get to see not only his kicking skills in the NAB but also his blistering pace which we desperately need

All i meant about playing for the big V was he was kicking in from goal with all the best talent available to do so in his place.
With the kicking efficiency, I agree that it can sometimes not really indicate how good or bad a player is. And as you said if you kick it long to a contest it's considered effective. That's just how it's done, I don't mind if a kick to a contest is called effective, it's creates a 50/50 contest and that not a lose. There isn't always a free player to kick to so why should a kick to a contest be called not effective.
For me it's more about what sort of pressure a player is under when he does kick the footy but there is no stat for that. I think people hear something or see a couple of bad kicks from a player and then label them bad kicks for their careers. Alex Rance is a good example, he is a very reliable kick, not to say he doesn't mess one up occasionally but he better than people give him credit for.
Anyway just my take. I really hope some of these kids like George get a go because we desparately need their pace and their attack on the game. Kids like George, break lines and give your forwards a better than even chance. 

The best one is Cotch where he will play a game with an opposition player with two hands in his shorts and his kicks are under intense pressure as he is being tackled practically before he has the ball.

Then some boof head will read the stats and either forgets the game or never watched it and start sissying on how Cotch is a bad kick

Yeah but it's like totally fair because awesome matchwinners like Edwards, Grigg, Houli, Jackson, Newman, Vickery, Hamspud, Conca, Chaplin, Batchelor, Petterd & Morris cop all the criticism while "Captain Clanger" gets of scott free don't ya know?

[Yeahright]

Can we take a moment to discuss what is going on with this blokes hair? Worst hair cut I've ever seen

[Andyy]

Yep.

Needs to shave it off.

In fact if I was coach I'd tell every player to shave their head or they wouldn't get a game. Serious!

[(•))(©™]

All you have to do is bomb it long and it's counted as effective so I'm sorry but I just don't believe in the kicking efficiency stat otherwise I'd have to believe Matt Dea (83.1%) or Rance (79.8%) is a better kick than Brandon Ellis (73.4% with his 'overinflated' stats) or Martin (67%) or Deledio (71.8%).  Well actually I read somewhere that one of his coaches or one of the AFL talent guys didn't really rate his kicking or decision making and if I could dig it up I would but I can't remember where I read it. Not sure of your point regarding the big V comment because if it's some sort of excuse for his kicking then what's it going to be like when he steps up to AFL?

Yep looks reliable in that video but you can see from that video they chopped and chose what disposals to put on the video whereas the other one was more of a full showing of all his disposals.

Hopefully we get to see not only his kicking skills in the NAB but also his blistering pace which we desperately need

All i meant about playing for the big V was he was kicking in from goal with all the best talent available to do so in his place.
With the kicking efficiency, I agree that it can sometimes not really indicate how good or bad a player is. And as you said if you kick it long to a contest it's considered effective. That's just how it's done, I don't mind if a kick to a contest is called effective, it's creates a 50/50 contest and that not a lose. There isn't always a free player to kick to so why should a kick to a contest be called not effective.
For me it's more about what sort of pressure a player is under when he does kick the footy but there is no stat for that. I think people hear something or see a couple of bad kicks from a player and then label them bad kicks for their careers. Alex Rance is a good example, he is a very reliable kick, not to say he doesn't mess one up occasionally but he better than people give him credit for.
Anyway just my take. I really hope some of these kids like George get a go because we desparately need their pace and their attack on the game. Kids like George, break lines and give your forwards a better than even chance. 

The best one is Cotch where he will play a game with an opposition player with two hands in his shorts and his kicks are under intense pressure as he is being tackled practically before he has the ball.

Then some boof head will read the stats and either forgets the game or never watched it and start sissying on how Cotch is a bad kick

Yeah but it's like totally fair because awesome matchwinners like Edwards, Grigg, Houli, Jackson, Newman, Vickery, Hamspud, Conca, Chaplin, Batchelor, Petterd & Morris cop all the criticism while "Captain Clanger" gets of scott free don't ya know?

If the club had any foresight, they'd place manned, independent cameras on guys like Cotchin
and make a big fuss AFTER the visual evidence had been compiled.

God forbid they think out of the box.

[WilliamPowell]

Can we take a moment to discuss what is going on with this blokes hair? Worst hair cut I've ever seen

Shocker

[Owl]

what is this now, woman's day?  We care about blokes hair cuts?

[WilliamPowell]

what is this now, woman's day?  We care about blokes hair cuts?

Yep sorry...so just to throw it out there......

I'll be interested to see if the new look MRP has a look at Morris' involvement in the incident in the final qtr that resulted in the Bulldog player being stretchered off.

I remarked at the time to Jackstar who was sitting behind me that I thought he was in massive strife because he didn't have eyes for the ball.

At the time I didn't realise that the Bulldog player copped from his teammate first but he did cop Morris' shoulder. Have since watched the replay and acknowledge the impact the other Bulldog player had in the collision but I am still curious to see whether they look at it none the less