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Re: QANTAS worldwide shutdown
« Reply #45 on: October 31, 2011, 11:42:08 AM »
QANTAS pilots get paid up to 600K p/a (average 300K p/a) for 14 hours a week work. FACT (More than what Alan Joyce earns per number of hours worked)
QANTAS staff across the board are already on higher wages than any of their competitors. FACT
QANTAS staff already receive 14% super contributions. Higher than the Australian average. FACT
Virgin Australia has two ticketed engineers per aircraft. QANTAS, 14. FACT
QANTAS is currently the only airline that does all their aircraft servicing in Australia. FACT


Thanks tiga- especially the bit about the number of engineers - that's the one that really gets up my goat. 

With the new A380 airbuses the reality is you do not need 14 engineers to service it. Singapore Airlines dont' use 14 engineers and they are a safe airline (2nd only to QANTAS in safety record IIRC)

Reducing the number of enigineers per aircraft is not going to make one iota of difference in maintaining the safety of the aircraft. We will still have the best safety standards in the world


A worldwide rolling ad campaign with Captain John Travolta I'm predicting lol


IMHO that's one of the bigeest mistakes QANTAS has made in the last 18 months - rolling out John Travolta apart from being a twit he comes across as clueless.

Need to use the other "ambassadors" like Hugh Jackman. Could have Hugh dancing down the tramac arm in arm with the Joyce & the engineers ;D
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Re: QANTAS worldwide shutdown
« Reply #46 on: October 31, 2011, 11:45:07 AM »
Or an ad on behalf of the shareholders with Olivia and John sing "You're the One That We Want" to Joycee lol

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Re: QANTAS worldwide shutdown
« Reply #47 on: October 31, 2011, 11:47:28 AM »
Yep Qantas bought the wrong planes on top of having parts and bits of the fuselage falling off a number of planes mid-flight which damaged the reputation of Qantas' formerly impeccable safety record and the whole airline brand itself - yet the CEO still receives a 70% $2m payrise ::). Laughable! Where's the real accountability of the Qantas board and CEO Joyce for these poor decisions?

In fairness to Joyce the decision to purchase the Boeing 787 dreamliners was made by previous management & board, so he inherited that. He & the current board are the ones who has deferred their purchase because the company cannot afford it

As I said he doesn't deserve the pay rise; it's one of the dumbest corporate decisions of the last 20 odd years

But I dont' think he should be whacked for decisions made before he became the CEO.   
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Re: QANTAS worldwide shutdown
« Reply #48 on: October 31, 2011, 11:48:18 AM »
Or an ad on behalf of the shareholders with Olivia and John sing "You're the One That We Want" to Joycee lol

Or the Socceroos taking penalty shots with a ball that has Joyce's face on it  ;D
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Re: QANTAS worldwide shutdown
« Reply #49 on: October 31, 2011, 11:49:07 AM »
Or an ad on behalf of the shareholders with Olivia and John sing "You're the One That We Want" to Joycee lol

Or the Socceroos taking penalty shots with a ball that has Joyce's face on it  ;D
Oh, I like that lol  ;D

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Re: QANTAS worldwide shutdown
« Reply #50 on: October 31, 2011, 01:08:36 PM »
QANTAS pilots get paid up to 600K p/a (average 300K p/a) for 14 hours a week work. FACT (More than what Alan Joyce earns per number of hours worked)
QANTAS staff across the board are already on higher wages than any of their competitors. FACT
QANTAS staff already receive 14% super contributions. Higher than the Australian average. FACT
Virgin Australia has two ticketed engineers per aircraft. QANTAS, 14. FACT
QANTAS is currently the only airline that does all their aircraft servicing in Australia. FACT

The open skies policy has made airline travel much more affordable for us by allowing increased competition. Yay for us!! But the competition pay much lower wages in order to be so competitive (not even close to Australian wage conditions). Due to the discounting of its competitors, Now only 2 in 10 Australians are flying QANTAS. So how do we want it people? We can't have our cake and eat it too. QANTAS has to restructure if it is going to survive in such a competitive market. You can all whinge and complain, but the fact is, we as travelers are directly responsible for the position that QANTAS is in. If we all paid a little more and flew QANTAS, they'd be able to sustain the proposed wage increases, they could continue to service all their aircraft here and provide jobs for Australians for years to come.

Boo hoo QANTAS employees and your unions.  :'( If you keep this crap up we will lose an Australian icon, we will lose a major employer of people in this country and you will lose your Job. But hey, the unions will still have their jobs after they have decimated QANTAS and sent them 100% overseas.  :clapping

Props to Alan Joyce for sticking up for his company. If it were my company, I'd do the same.



QANTAS pilots get paid up to 600K p/a (average 300K p/a) for 14 hours a week work. FACT (More than what Alan Joyce earns per number of hours worked)
QANTAS staff across the board are already on higher wages than any of their competitors. FACT
QANTAS staff already receive 14% super contributions. Higher than the Australian average. FACT
Virgin Australia has two ticketed engineers per aircraft. QANTAS, 14. FACT
QANTAS is currently the only airline that does all their aircraft servicing in Australia. FACT

The open skies policy has made airline travel much more affordable for us by allowing increased competition. Yay for us!! But the competition pay much lower wages in order to be so competitive (not even close to Australian wage conditions). Due to the discounting of its competitors, Now only 2 in 10 Australians are flying QANTAS. So how do we want it people? We can't have our cake and eat it too. QANTAS has to restructure if it is going to survive in such a competitive market. You can all whinge and complain, but the fact is, we as travelers are directly responsible for the position that QANTAS is in. If we all paid a little more and flew QANTAS, they'd be able to sustain the proposed wage increases, they could continue to service all their aircraft here and provide jobs for Australians for years to come.

Boo hoo QANTAS employees and your unions.  :'( If you keep this crap up we will lose an Australian icon, we will lose a major employer of people in this country and you will lose your Job. But hey, the unions will still have their jobs after they have decimated QANTAS and sent them 100% overseas.  :clapping

Props to Alan Joyce for sticking up for his company. If it were my company, I'd do the same.

with the greatest respect your post is factually incorrect

They do not get paid higher than other airlines. FACT!!! Pilots yes but i would say engineers are on par with DJ, but hey what do i know i used to work there and friends still do and my mrs works at Virgin.

I know people at both, and can tell you this is completely not true but hey if it suits your argument then go for it

14% SG. Maybe your confused. Standfard is 9% but some companies and Qantas pay 10%. 14% LMFAO. That extra 1% is probably clawed back in management costs anyway. An extra 1% of an average wage wow how generous.

Qantas pay more than other airlines. LMFAO again incorrect but in Australia you are right, internationally no

QANTAS is currently the only airline that does all their aircraft servicing in Australia. FACT  LMFAO

They do not get paid higher across the board TIGA. Incorrect again.

Cabin Crew/Engineers/Ground crew are on par income wise, to that of Virgin staff in fact i would argue Virgin staff are paid better with the extra incentives and bonuses they receive, which Qantas decided to withdraw a few years ago

WP is spot on the money because QF have ill managed their engineering division is no fault of anyone else but their own. Why should workers pay for Qantas mistakes.

14 engineers handling one plane is the equivalent of 6 flight attendants on a 737. What an absolute waste of money. Its quality of work not quantity that makes a good airline and Qantas has detoriated so much in the last 5 years
 




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Re: QANTAS worldwide shutdown
« Reply #51 on: October 31, 2011, 01:25:34 PM »
Daniel, all the information I have presented has been from a transcript provided by Alan Joyce Himself this morning. If you do a bit of research on the net you will find it. I know who I would believe anyway.

Re the 14 engineers per aircraft, its called advancements in technology. As WP mentioned A380 aircraft require less engineers. It has nothing to do with mismanagement. Remember, as we have seen, its not that easy to make people redundant these days. 

Actually in my defence Daniel, here is the audio link for your listening pleasure.
http://www.2gb.com/index2.php?option=com_newsmanager&task=view&id=10589

I know you enjoy trying to make people look like fools with your forthright commentary and alleged extensive real world experience, but I think you have some homework to do on this one.  ::)
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« Reply #52 on: October 31, 2011, 01:53:32 PM »
Daniel, all the information I have presented has been from a transcript provided by Alan Joyce Himself this morning. If you do a bit of research on the net you will find it. I know who I would believe anyway.

Re the 14 engineers per aircraft, its called advancements in technology. As WP mentioned A380 aircraft require less engineers. It has nothing to do with mismanagement. Remember, as we have seen, its not that easy to make people redundant these days. 

Actually in my defence Daniel, here is the audio link for your listening pleasure.
http://www.2gb.com/index2.php?option=com_newsmanager&task=view&id=10589

I know you enjoy trying to make people look like fools with your forthright commentary and alleged extensive real world experience, but I think you have some homework to do on this one.  ::)

Well then if it has come from Alan Joyce it must be true then.

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Re: QANTAS worldwide shutdown
« Reply #53 on: October 31, 2011, 01:55:56 PM »
Daniel, all the information I have presented has been from a transcript provided by Alan Joyce Himself this morning. If you do a bit of research on the net you will find it. I know who I would believe anyway.

Re the 14 engineers per aircraft, its called advancements in technology. As WP mentioned A380 aircraft require less engineers. It has nothing to do with mismanagement. Remember, as we have seen, its not that easy to make people redundant these days. 

Actually in my defence Daniel, here is the audio link for your listening pleasure.
http://www.2gb.com/index2.php?option=com_newsmanager&task=view&id=10589

I know you enjoy trying to make people look like fools with your forthright commentary and alleged extensive real world experience, but I think you have some homework to do on this one.  ::)

Well then if it has come from Alan Joyce it must be true then.

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What you socialists have to answer is why when Alan Joyce rang Gillard and left a message with her office she didnt bother to ring him back. If she'd rung him and offered to assist he wouldnt have grounded the aircraft. Gillards the worst Prime Minister in Australian history and poo lazy to boot it seems. stuffen hopeless IMHO.

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Re: QANTAS worldwide shutdown
« Reply #54 on: October 31, 2011, 02:04:20 PM »
Daniel, all the information I have presented has been from a transcript provided by Alan Joyce Himself this morning. If you do a bit of research on the net you will find it. I know who I would believe anyway.

Re the 14 engineers per aircraft, its called advancements in technology. As WP mentioned A380 aircraft require less engineers. It has nothing to do with mismanagement. Remember, as we have seen, its not that easy to make people redundant these days. 

Actually in my defence Daniel, here is the audio link for your listening pleasure.
http://www.2gb.com/index2.php?option=com_newsmanager&task=view&id=10589

I know you enjoy trying to make people look like fools with your forthright commentary and alleged extensive real world experience, but I think you have some homework to do on this one.  ::)

Well then if it has come from Alan Joyce it must be true then.

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Re: QANTAS worldwide shutdown
« Reply #55 on: October 31, 2011, 02:07:13 PM »
what you facists have to answer is why you expect the prime minister to get involved when it is right wing policy for governments to not get involved in the business world and let the capitalist system regulate itself.
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« Reply #56 on: October 31, 2011, 02:20:16 PM »
what you facists have to answer is why you expect the prime minister to get involved when it is right wing policy for governments to not get involved in the business world and let the capitalist system regulate itself.
Whoa al, don't include me in that one.. I believe that business and politics should be completely separate. Anyone who politicizes this discussion is using it as an anti Gillard vehicle. Now whilst I personally detest the woman, I don't believe she has a role to play in this.

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« Reply #57 on: October 31, 2011, 02:21:22 PM »
that was meant for ramps, you just got your post in first
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Re: QANTAS worldwide shutdown
« Reply #58 on: October 31, 2011, 02:24:40 PM »
What you socialists have to answer is why when Alan Joyce rang Gillard and left a message with her office she didnt bother to ring him back. If she'd rung him and offered to assist he wouldnt have grounded the aircraft. Gillards the worst Prime Minister in Australian history and poo lazy to boot it seems. stuffen hopeless IMHO.

Errrrr Flags ....ummmm Joyce has admitted he didn't ask for Gillard to ring him, actually you might find he didn't even ring her office. Tpt Minister contacted her office. Joyve only spoke to Albanese

Going to give out whacks give them out when & where they are deserved  ;D

this is not and should not be a political issue despite ceertain pollies trying to turn it into one

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« Reply #59 on: October 31, 2011, 02:33:01 PM »
that was meant for ramps, you just got your post in first
Got it  :thumbsup

Sorry ramps you're on your own on this one if you are trying to blame Gillard for not responding. remember she was in CHOGM and I think her agenda is pretty chockers so you might want to cut her some slack on this one.

On another note did anyone see K-Rudd's "polio" speech?? And some labor people want him back???  :rollin
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