finals 2012 = gonski imho
Agree, but it was gone before the injuries, still too many free loaders and mentally weak players, the injuries just gave the players the excuse to totally capitulate.....which will start against the Dees.
Saturday's loss probably confirms this Tony, although given the draw we have the improvement in the type of play we have shown and the pluck the side has shown mathematically we are still in it I guess.
There are definentely a few on the list who should not be there but whilst we know now that another dip into the draft and table may fill a few needs to bolster us next season.
PNGQT, mate I know it's hard given our lack of success, but you just can't attribute this year to the past and equate it to failure given the way we have played and the natural improvement in our list and the astute pick of Morris and the fact that Ellis has been great this year. You yourself have answered our issue yourself by calling some of our players freeloaders who once the needs are filled this draft these freeloaders will be phased out.
We have come from a long long way back. To be where we are right now compared to the end of 2009 only two full seasons ago is remarkable in itself and a credit to the coach and the players.
Yes Saturday's result hurts no question about it but a 19 point loss is better than a 19 goal loss which lamentably have been a regular occurance in the last few years.
Would at least give the team more credit this year than what you are giving them in suggesting they will pack it in now merely because Vickery aint playing for the rest of the year when he has been struggling all year and Grimes who has played one game in the last 6 will miss a few more.
I just find it galling to the boys and baffling. 
Tucker, I know what you are saying mate and to some degree I do agree, but.....how long have you and I been on this forum, how many times have we said what you are saying?? How many times are we coming from a long long way back? Do we go as far back as the possum poo that Wallace cleaned out? Do we go as far back as the manure dumped outside the clubhouse? Do we go as far back as Bartlett getting the sack? Do we go as far back as Tony Jewel tearing his hair out at against the Swans (I think)........ How far.
Because that's how long I have been listening to the voice of reason....
This year is no different to 1995...... Or the other years we ended up 9th, the game against the Crows showed us the Richmond of a long long time ago, mentally weak...30+ points up to lose by 19.... That's 50+ point turnaround.......how does that happen and we should be......oh well it was only a 10 goal turn around??
FFS, we had Knights, Campbell, Broderick, Richo, Gayle x 2, and we good good youth coming through.Coghlan.....sound familiar....sounds like now.
Anyway, I will always follow the Tiges but geez I will never understand their lack of mental strength compared to players and cultures from other clubs..
