Brandon Ellis to Gold Coast / Richmond receive pick 39 as compo [merged]

[Yeahright]

Hasn't done it for years. Most of us see that

[tony_montana]

Interested to hear if bigtone has changed his perception of Ellis. Has really gone to another level this season and is starting to get sat on so opposition sides are starting to notice him. Not having a crack, we all have players that for various reasons we don't get enamoured with

In all honesty I still think he is a whimp.
Yes he gets plenty of he footy but more often than not goes sideways or backwards with it. He is still to scared to 'pull the trigger' with that attacking kick that has to hit a target.
Clearly not a backman either, his want for body contact and tackling is questionable in my opinion. I know people say he is only in his second year but you only have to take a look how Vlastuin attacks the ball and man to see that age has nothing to do with it. Really concerned he will be shown up in the finals against the bigger bodies too, but time will tell.
Credit where credit is due though he has been better, but let's not go over boards and say opposition teams are sitting on him, it was once against Carlton.
He is a wingman and plays like a wingman and has earnt  his spot there, so good on him and good on us.
So to answer your question, no my perception hasn't really changed about the things I hated him for.
So what do you think Tone? Is he our next Brownlow medalist?

not a brownlow medalist, but hes going to be a gun. Seen him go plenty of times when its his turn, but I guess like houli, sometimes supporters stamp their papers and thats it.

Houli can go back with the flight, but poops him self when head on contact is coming. Oh and I see no problem with Bigtones assessment. I rate him a bit more than him but he does have some valid concerns.

What exactly are valid concerns? he's a 2nd year player for goodness sakes, of course he needs to work on his game. The point is he clearly is and is making rapid progress so in that regard, i don't see them as valid concerns - at all. As for the point that he goes backwards and sideways most of the time - pure unadulterated garbage by big tone.

 Further to that, comparing him to Vlas, not every player is an inside hardnut, you have inside players, outside players and some that do both. Dan Hannebery goes in hard like Vlas, Jetta doesnt, does that make Jetta a concern for Sydney? Nope, just a different style of player.

[Coach]

Interested to hear if bigtone has changed his perception of Ellis. Has really gone to another level this season and is starting to get sat on so opposition sides are starting to notice him. Not having a crack, we all have players that for various reasons we don't get enamoured with

only have to take a look how Vlastuin attacks the ball and man to see that age has nothing to do with it.

Rubbish. Kep Bradley was the biggest whimp I had ever seen when he was at Essendon. At Fremantle he gets a game (when fit) because of his aggression and versatility. Some young players take longer than others to become completely comfortable with the physicality of football. You'd know this if you were more than a keyboard hard man Ellis will never be as hard as Vlastuin but he will stick his head over the onion.

[Judge Roughneck]

Vlastuin is harder than most going around
Floss is abt of a mad man

[gerkin greg]

it's like the "can't cope with a tag" line that gets trotted out

there's only about 3 mids in the comp that can 

[tony_montana]

it's like the "can't cope with a tag" line that gets trotted out

there's only about 3 mids in the comp that can 

and even ablett has finally succumbed the past 6 weeks, quietest string of games Ive seen from him since he was a lazy HFF in his early years.

[Judge Roughneck]

Holland are not wogs either

[Yeahright]

What exactly are valid concerns? he's a 2nd year player for goodness sakes, of course he needs to work on his game. The point is he clearly is and is making rapid progress so in that regard, i don't see them as valid concerns - at all. As for the point that he goes backwards and sideways most of the time - pure unadulterated garbage by big tone.

 Further to that, comparing him to Vlas, not every player is an inside hardnut, you have inside players, outside players and some that do both. Dan Hannebery goes in hard like Vlas, Jetta doesnt, does that make Jetta a concern for Sydney? Nope, just a different style of player.

So no matter what a second year player does, we let him do it and not look at where he can improve . No ones saying delist him but for goodness sake, you can at least just look at his faults and hope he improves which like you said, he has been.

On your second point you pretty much backed up what big tone said! He said his not a back man because of his lack of want for body contact but he is a wingman and earnt his spot there. Your comparison of Hannebery being an inside mid/defender and Jetta being a wingman is spot on because Hannebery likes the hard stuff just like Vlas and Jetta doesn't just like Ellis. Doesn't mean either of them are a concern, but you can have concerns about them.

[Andyy]

Ellis is tough, don't worry about that.

He plays his role very well.

[tony_montana]

What exactly are valid concerns? he's a 2nd year player for goodness sakes, of course he needs to work on his game. The point is he clearly is and is making rapid progress so in that regard, i don't see them as valid concerns - at all. As for the point that he goes backwards and sideways most of the time - pure unadulterated garbage by big tone.

 Further to that, comparing him to Vlas, not every player is an inside hardnut, you have inside players, outside players and some that do both. Dan Hannebery goes in hard like Vlas, Jetta doesnt, does that make Jetta a concern for Sydney? Nope, just a different style of player.

So no matter what a second year player does, we let him do it and not look at where he can improve . No ones saying delist him but for goodness sake, you can at least just look at his faults and hope he improves which like you said, he has been.

On your second point you pretty much backed up what big tone said! He said his not a back man because of his lack of want for body contact but he is a wingman and earnt his spot there. Your comparison of Hannebery being an inside mid/defender and Jetta being a wingman is spot on because Hannebery likes the hard stuff just like Vlas and Jetta doesn't just like Ellis. Doesn't mean either of them are a concern, but you can have concerns about them.

Your 1st paragraph makes no sense, I didnt intimate your first sentence at all and did exactly what you are calling me out for in your 2nd sentence  If we all agree he is improving then why the real concern?  If he is showing that he is not improving his faults then THAT is cause for concern in my book, not when he's clearly trending upwards. Pretty straight fwd I wouldve thought 

My second point is not backing up what bt said. BT is saying his softness is a worry and compared him to Vlas as a criticism. I compared hanners to jetta to highlight that you dont have to be a hard nut to be a good or quality player. Everyone has different roles. And what exactly is wrong with playing a young player in the backline early in his career even if he is not suited to it? Pretty common practice to help make a player more rounded so there's no need to highlight that as a major concern. Coaching staff made the call and in hindsight it was the right call as he's clearly benefited and become a strong 2 way runner.

[Yeahright]

I see it as a concern until he fixes it.

Did you miss the part where he said his a wingman and deserves it? Most wingman are soft so nothing to worry about 

[Judge Roughneck]

GWS had 11 picks in the same draft pool before we selected Ellis. I'm not sure how many of them played last game, but overall i didn't think Ellis looked significantly soft in comparison

The only players in between were wingard  (port/6) and the emotional one longer, dockery (both lions, 8 and 12 respectively).
Arnot was a third rounder, should help make up for apparent Ellis softness...
Btw Ellis was injured vs north via not squibbing it. A few times when he came on a a sub he did some kamazazi things where he could have died/killed someone earlier in season.

[Penelope]

Holland are not wogs either

they're Swamp Germans

[Judge Roughneck]

Holland are not wogs either

they're Swamp Germans

 

[big tone]

Interested to hear if bigtone has changed his perception of Ellis. Has really gone to another level this season and is starting to get sat on so opposition sides are starting to notice him. Not having a crack, we all have players that for various reasons we don't get enamoured with

In all honesty I still think he is a whimp.
Yes he gets plenty of he footy but more often than not goes sideways or backwards with it. He is still to scared to 'pull the trigger' with that attacking kick that has to hit a target.
Clearly not a backman either, his want for body contact and tackling is questionable in my opinion. I know people say he is only in his second year but you only have to take a look how Vlastuin attacks the ball and man to see that age has nothing to do with it. Really concerned he will be shown up in the finals against the bigger bodies too, but time will tell.
Credit where credit is due though he has been better, but let's not go over boards and say opposition teams are sitting on him, it was once against Carlton.
He is a wingman and plays like a wingman and has earnt  his spot there, so good on him and good on us.
So to answer your question, no my perception hasn't really changed about the things I hated him for.
So what do you think Tone? Is he our next Brownlow medalist?

not a brownlow medalist, but hes going to be a gun. Seen him go plenty of times when its his turn, but I guess like houli, sometimes supporters stamp their papers and thats it.

Houli can go back with the flight, but poops him self when head on contact is coming. Oh and I see no problem with Bigtones assessment. I rate him a bit more than him but he does have some valid concerns.

What exactly are valid concerns? he's a 2nd year player for goodness sakes, of course he needs to work on his game. The point is he clearly is and is making rapid progress so in that regard, i don't see them as valid concerns - at all. As for the point that he goes backwards and sideways most of the time - pure unadulterated garbage by big tone.

 Further to that, comparing him to Vlas, not every player is an inside hardnut, you have inside players, outside players and some that do both. Dan Hannebery goes in hard like Vlas, Jetta doesnt, does that make Jetta a concern for Sydney? Nope, just a different style of player.

Hey Tone, I didn't know my opinion meant so much to ya!
The other night when you asked if my opinion about Ellis had changed, I thought it was a serious question but in reading how angry you are it seems you were just being a d1ckhead. Maybe trying to be a funny man in front of all your Richmond Rant buddies.
I guess I just gave you way to much credit to be able to read what I posted. I never mentioned him being scared to go with the flight of the footy, it was more about him being  scared to make a mistake with his kicking and decision making. Which in tern makes him kick sideways and backwards a lot.  Read it again. It has nothing to do with inside mids or outside mids, or even how old you are.
At least you didnt compare him to Keppler Braddley. 
Just one more thing, even if I think he is scared at times, I don't come on here every week and say how poo he is like some other posters do about other players.
Just my opinion on him, you are in titled to yours..
Be happy fella, we are in the finals.