shattered

[Willy]

Im shattered too, but we are getting there. Need have a nice dip into the draft one more time.

[Ox]

Why does Newman ALWAYS stuffing take ages to decide where he's kicking to.

Is he wacko or spmething,ffs!!

And then he cracks it after the siren - come on,mate!!

Another stuffwit who spends the game making up for killer mistakes.

When he's your captain- ur fu cked

[WilliamPowell]

I actually thought Dooks Vickery although not great showed some glimpses of the competitive beast so that bodes well.

Agree re Vickery, thought he attacked the footy with a lot more vigour this week which was the most pleasing thing

I thought Jack was off with the pixies. Needs to keep things simple. Usually his field kicking is precise coughed the ball up from a free in the last that was costly.

Thought Jack did some OK thigns and then did some ordinary things. I know they want him to be team focussed but really 45 out from goal early in the final qtr he shouldn't be trying to hit up a bloke 15 metres away. the team thing was for him to make a statement, have the shot and kick the goal = that's his job!

White barely had enough time to get into the game that run on the railway side in the last should have gone to the top of the square not the pocket but anyway.

Either that or pass to Miller and keep running to get the handball back then top of the square or have the shot yourself - thought it was a poor choice but anyway

As bad as this sounds Jako was okay today kicked two goals and other than his clanger in the first used the ball okay if only he could find a target kicking it forwards other than kicking it backwards. I got to admit I liked his goal in the third but moving forward yep needs to be moved on.

But he as always managed to give a way a couple of really stupid frees - that one in the final qtr just in front of the inter-chage area for the puch in the back was just plain stupid

[TigerLand]

This was the game I'd thought we'd get belted..
After a decent crack at Geelong I thought 2 weeks in a row we can't match it with a top 4 side.

The fact that we prob should have beaten both Geelong and West Coast shows the improvement in this group. Funny to say I'm glad of the draw we've had, sets a tone of expectations for the season.

We could have ha the easy draw Essendon or Adelaide have been given but tells you little about your group beating on bottom 8 sides.

Biggest test is coming out and playing 4 qtrs against a team that we should beat in Port. If we come out next week and play at 70-90% then the last 2 weak efforts will go to waste.

[bojangles17]

vickers took a couple of those strong marks that became a trademark last year, pity he didnt always finish off

[gerkin greg]

[Thought Jack did some OK thigns and then did some ordinary things. I know they want him to be team focussed but really 45 out from goal early in the final qtr he shouldn't be trying to hit up a bloke 15 metres away. the team thing was for him to make a statement, have the shot and kick the goal = that's his job!

Was outside 50

[10 FLAGS]

Im shattered too, but we are getting there. Need have a nice dip into the draft one more time.

I agree with Willy here. We need to have one a decent go in this draft. Use our first 2 picks wisely and use our compo wisely and we can make further ground. We need some more class.

[Tigeritis™©®]

Winners win and losers lose. We are still a loser team with loser mentality and still too many losers in the side. Hopefully by 2014 those losers will be gone, the culture changes and hope will translate to beleif and actually winning games. Like Geelong and West Coke, even though they're not playing so well they still end up winning.
This is what I hope will happen but the club has to get rid of losers and players with loser DNA and must have higher standards than they currently have.

[gerkin greg]

Thought that was a copy paste but there was no mention of miller 

[USAfootyfanatic]

Maybe it's just because i'm new and haven't had years and years of torment, but I'm really not shattered that we lost. I thought we should have won but I was fairly happy with some things I saw. I thought Jack played fairly good, and honestly this game was the first time i've seen Vickery do anything really. It sucks that we lost when we should have won, but i think losing by 10 to a top four team is decent. If we play the way we have the last two weeks in the upcoming games we should get a fair amount of wins.

[Judge Roughneck]

Bingo.

The difference is our third tier.
I echo some of the sentiments.

You want to see the difference and take the umpires out of it.

Look at the effectiveness and efficiency of

Ashton Hams vs Robin Nahas.

There is your difference. If Ellis was not injured how Nahas was not subbed is beyond me.

Ellis would have made a difference in defence Nahas could still be out there now and would be doing pirouettes with the seagulls and getting tackled by the cleaners.

I too am shattered.

Could have been a breakthrough win instead I am hoping Port have had a brutal afternoon to help us next week at AAMI.

Gutted and shattered right now.

We should be at least 3-2.

[Smokey]

An interesting stat for those who think we haven't improved.  Here is the difference (improvement) from the last time we played each team:

59 points better against Carlton
50 points better against Collingwood
52 points better against Melbourne
52 points better against Geelong
47 points better against West Coast

I think some on here are guilty of not paying enough respect to the basket-case position we have come from.  Crawl before you walk.

[eliminator]

We went into the game too short. The Eagles got cheap goals in the 2nd which cost us because we were too short in the backline.Agree with comments about Ty playing an improved game. Disagree with the comments about Newman. Newman played a very good game. He didn't waste his disposals and his use of the ball was good. They had more polish when it was needed. If you are going to be critical then Jack should have kicked it long to the square rather than kicking it short and we missed some relatively easy set shots. I am not shattered becuase in the past we would have got thumped. Our attitude has improved if our skills can then we are going to be a very good team in the future.

[Go Richo 12]

An interesting stat for those who think we haven't improved.  Here is the difference (improvement) from the last time we played each team:

59 points better against Carlton
50 points better against Collingwood
52 points better against Melbourne
52 points better against Geelong
47 points better against West Coast

I think some on here are guilty of not paying enough respect to the basket-case position we have come from.  Crawl before you walk.

There are NO EXCUSES[/colo
Actually Smokey, i fully agree! Whilst wins would be great and its disappointing to lose, the improvement is clearly evident. Next week is a dangerous game.

[Penelope]

Winners win and losers lose. We are still a loser team with loser mentality and still too many losers in the side. Hopefully by 2014 those losers will be gone, the culture changes and hope will translate to beleif and actually winning games. Like Geelong and West Coke, even though they're not playing so well they still end up winning.

This is what I hope will happen but the club has to get rid of losers and players with loser DNA and must have higher standards than they currently have.

you repeatedly post proving how little idea of reality you have
we still have a loser mentality? based on what? the fact we were beaten by a better side 
the fact that on two seperate occasions we were down by 20 odd points but fought back against a top 4 side?  yeah real loser mentality!

want to see loser mentality? go back and have a look at 2009 season. If you cannot see any improvement in all aspects of the game, particularly not crumbling once a side a puts pressure on and getting flogged, then you are more clueless than i give you credit for.