Which ruck will be moved on?

[Judge Roughneck]

Browne is v v young.

Why delist him?

[dwaino]

I suppose Free agency may also play a role in the decision in that who's available? If we seek another ruckman via FA then maybe soemone like Gus will say "I want to be traded"

I know people are saying this years drafts a ripper but does anyone know how it's looking regarding young ruckmen

Not sure on the coming draft at all since I don't follow TAC or anything much during the year. But everyone is saying it's a good draft without saying much else, I guess the rest of us are just going by that.

And then moving onto Gus, I'm not sure what sort of trade we could expect. I imagine (just guessing) after the past couple compromised drafts that clubs will holding on to their early draft picks, and off the top of my head I'm not sure who could use him straight up to validate a 2nd or 3rd round pick. Possibly GWS or Collingwood? What if Warnock goes on the market too? Both would be really devalued.

I imagine the club is backing most of who we have in for now. There were a few half decent prospects even available for rookie selection this year and we overlooked him. I'll trust their judgement but I would preferred to rookie someone like Bolger instead of Verrier.

[Tiger Tragic]

Not sure why you would delist a 21 y/o 203cm 105kg ruckman who has shown he can play at AFL level (dreamtime game) and who has dominated on occasions at VFL level. Plenty more development in him.

Derickx should be delisted. Not showing enough for a 24 y/o.

Graham I would trade if we can, otherwise keep.

If we trade Graham we pick up a junior ruck in the draft.

[tigs2011]

Derrickx is gone. Graham contracted and second best ruck at club, so he will stay or leave via trade (if any takers) and not sure about Browne. Might get another year.

Derickx will be gone. Graham will likely be traded (because on VFL form he probably deserves to be a no.1 ruck. Look at Collingwood if Jolly goes down/retires Wood becomes a no.1 ruck. Then we draft a junior.

Maric 26
Browne 22
Draftee 18

If worse comes to worse play Vickery with Elton as back-up.

[the claw]

vickery - wont make it as a #1 ruckman may be a slight chance as a back up ruckman. imo hes a forward or bust. wont go into reasons why as it will just become an anger fest for some.

derivckx - would love to see the club continue down this path in taking more mature players from state leagues weather they work out or not. if any one had seen him at claremont they would not help but be impressed.
thing is its now 2 yrs on hes turning 25 and he doesnt do anywhere near enough to earn a game. takes the odd contested mark looks good at times but doesnt deliver. id say hes gone we cant hang onto these types for too long.imo has not done enough in two yrs to warrant keeping. he did have a fair bit of injury last yr though.

browne - main concern well dinosaur says it in a word.to make it he needs to be a clearance king when the ball hits the ground a bit like ben hudson. is still young and may be kept would look at putting him back on the rookie list and freeing up a space. he really has stagnated though and the key to keeping them is they show enough improvement to warrant it.

graham - dont see the point of keeping him if we are not going to play him. needs to go and we need to find a more rounded replacement.

maric - well hes had a big yr to date. hes 26 and we need to find genuine swing man to help him. we also need to find a quality long term replacement for him now.cant say we have him on our list can anyone say it.

me i think we need to invest a reasonable pick on a talented young ruckman. a bit like we were going to take scott lycett at pick 30 but the eagles jumped in at 29 a couple of seasons ago. geez a lycett type would have 2 yrs under his belt now and would be looking at a good chunk of games next yr.

 i also would be looking for another mature age ruckman who can cover for maric without us losing too much. in the past graham has been uncompetetive and we have been smashed. go down the derickx and state league path again if need be. bring em in try em. if any good keep em if no good go again dont hang on too long though.

 i think in time griffiths and elton  if they make it  and god knows maybe even vickery can do the second ruck duties.

so for me id like to see
# 1 -  maric.
back up -  mature player from state league or retread from other club that cost nothing more than a late nd or psd pick. some would say keep graham for this.
pick 30-40 - quality long term prospect. this is ivans likely replacement in 3 or 4 yrs time.
browne - probably not possible but re rookie him or keep him for another yr. will be 23 next yr has to start earning some afl games. in a lot of ways if ivan gets hurt he should be the one who comes in.

[MintOnLamb]

Watched the Port /Coburg game on Saturday. Brown was so so and Derryxkxcx was OK in defense, his delivery and kicking was excellent although he did drop one bad one, but who hasn't. I think he looks pretty good, But when will he get a chance? At 25 he is just coming into ruckman maturity, so to drop him at the level after we have carried him for 2 years would seem a waste?? He also seems pretty mobile.
How much has he played in the ruck at Coburg??
Big Gus looked so so and made a few clangers.
Watching the mullet I think it is all about second efforts and willingness to do the right thing. Are Gus Brown and Deryxk up to it? I think it is up to them to watch Ivan and see what a really good ruckman has to do, learn from that and apply it at VFL level to push for selection.

In any event whatever we say means nothing but I am sure Dimma and his brains trust have options a plenty.

[gerkin greg]

Been told twice they are now molding Derickx into a monster back that can swing fwd and/or ruck relieve

might get the extra year with moore, mcguane & post all finishing up (post will be traded)

[eliminator]

Browne has age on his side but doubts over his ability. Graham could be trade bait and Derrickx at risk of being dumped

[Dubstep Dookie]

Been told twice they are now molding Derickx into a monster back that can swing fwd and/or ruck relieve

might get the extra year with moore, mcguane & post all finishing up (post will be traded)

Have heard that twice. Thought about it twice and it makes sense. Twice

[Judge Roughneck]

Browne has a big ticker. Big body. Getting vfl bogs.

I dont understand the hurry moving on derickx. Delisting derickx and drafting the best wafl ruckman seems to be not making progress. Still young for ruck

[Penelope]

Derickx's long term injury really set him back.
Quite often after a year out of football, it takes a year to get back to where you were. In his case that was a state league player going through a rapid development phase.

he needs to show something in last half of the year or he is gone, and the odds are against him.

[gerkin greg]

Been told twice they are now molding Derickx into a monster back that can swing fwd and/or ruck relieve

might get the extra year with moore, mcguane & post all finishing up (post will be traded)

Have heard that twice. Thought about it twice and it makes sense. Twice

Pull your head in FFS 

[Coach]

Browne has a big ticker. Big body. Getting vfl bogs.

I dont understand the hurry moving on derickx. Delisting derickx and drafting the best wafl ruckman seems to be not making progress. Still young for ruck

He is the same age as Gus. Which is still young for a ruck.

[Judge Roughneck]

Late to the game so should have more development.

[Smokey]

vickery - wont make it as a #1 ruckman may be a slight chance as a back up ruckman. imo hes a forward or bust. wont go into reasons why as it will just become an anger fest for some.

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so for me id like to see
# 1 -  maric.
back up -  mature player from state league or retread from other club that cost nothing more than a late nd or psd pick. some would say keep graham for this.
pick 30-40 - quality long term prospect. this is ivans likely replacement in 3 or 4 yrs time.
browne - probably not possible but re rookie him or keep him for another yr. will be 23 next yr has to start earning some afl games. in a lot of ways if ivan gets hurt he should be the one who comes in.

Good summation and post Claw, I agree with your take on all this.