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Re: Reality check
« Reply #15 on: April 25, 2005, 03:41:17 AM »
Main event over for Tigers in 12 minuntes
25 April 2005   
Herald Sun
Scott Gullan

WHEN the Richmond players started filing into Telstra Dome about 5pm, Terry Wallace was ready to greet them with his theme for the evening: "Welcome to the Main Event."

While three wins in a row to long-suffering Tigers fans means cancelling holiday bookings for September, the new coach is a realist and he knew that facing St Kilda in front of 50,000 spectators would be the real indicator of where his team sat in the football landscape.

After 12 minutes Wallace would have heard the sound of a bell inside his head, signalling the end of this "Main Event".

If a towel had been nearby, he would have been within his rights to chuck it in then.

By that stage, Wallace had watched St Kilda kick four goals to one with the last coming from Aaron Fiora, the fleet-footed midfielder he traded upon arrival at Punt Rd, and would have suspected what everyone else inside the stadium knew was coming.

A Saints goal avalanche.

Right out of last year's playbook, it was starting to roll and by the time the quarter-time siren sounded it was eight goals to two. Bout over.

There were plenty of Tigers fighting out of their division.

How do you think Mark Chaffey felt when he walked up to stand next to Nick Dal Santo? He is battling to hang on to a career while the Saints young gun is expected to have a Brownlow Medal around his neck within a couple of years.

The other midfield match-ups saw Shane Tuck, Mark Coughlan and Chris Hyde go head-to-head with Lenny Hayes, Luke Ball and Robert Harvey. Good honest battlers v class, class and more class.

That was the same scenario all over the park. The tale of two positions tells much of the story. Centre half-back and the all-important crumbing forward pocket.

For St Kilda, Matt Maguire was the man up against the much-hyped Troy Simmonds, with his opposite number at the other end, veteran Hawk Mark Graham standing Justin Koschitzke.

At halftime Maguire was the Saints' equal-leading possession winner with 14, including 10 kicks and one goal. Graham had just one kick and one handball.

It's so obvious that Maguire is from the same neck of the woods as Brisbane superstar Jonathan Brown.

The Warrnambool boys share a love of doing brave things and at the five-minute mark of the second quarter Maguire produced a mark running backwards into a pack that would have made his mate proud.

In the end it took a horrific head clash to stop Maguire who, before he left on a stretcher in the last quarter, had shown the Saints faithful that he was finally over the chronic groin complaint that made him a non-factor in last year's finals series.

The other case study was Stephen Milne v Andrew Krakouer. The often annoying Saint had one of his best games for some time, kicking five goals from 17 possessions that surprisingly included six handballs.

While his ability to get at the feet of Fraser Gehrig was a highlight, Milne's defensive pressure in tandem with Aaron Hamill was a feature of the Saints all night.

As for Krakouer, he seems to be the exception to the rule of most at Punt Rd in regards to the new coach. While most have flourished and seemed rejuvenated under Wallace, the talented Aboriginal has gone the other way.

Last night he found himself on the bottom of the Tigers stats sheet with just four touches and one goal.

A visit to former mentor Danny Frawley should be on the cards this week.

It's back to the drawingboard for Wallace.

He has a lot of players just going around, with Simmonds and his other ruckman Trent Knobel again disappointing.

Ray Hall is not the answer in defence and was taught a lesson in how to attack the ball by Hamill, while the likes of Kayne Pettifer and Wayne Campbell don't do enough.

Last week Matthew Richardson and Nathan Brown were fantastic and the Tigers won by 48 points. This week they were well held and the Tigers lost by 68.

Sound familiar?

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,15074628%255E19771,00.html

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Re: Reality check
« Reply #16 on: April 25, 2005, 03:44:04 AM »
Slick Saints hand out lesson
25 April 2005   
Herald Sun
Michael Horan

A DELUDED Richmond supporter uttered joyously the sleeping giant was awake, moments after his team had secured its third successive victory a little over a week ago.

But an alert and superior Saints made the Tigers look like sleepwalkers at Telstra Dome last night as they careered to a imposing 68-point win in front of a sellout crowd of 49,580 fans.

Perceptions vary dramatically in a tribal sport such as football.

The Richmond faithful started the night full of false hope that their Tigers had finally arrived as a serious top-eight contender.

They shuffled out of the Dome three hours later with a decidedly more realistic point of view.

St Kilda was slick, stunning in its execution, and looking very much like the side that went within a kick of reaching last year's Grand Final.

Then again, for fans, who over the past year have become accustomed to brilliant wins and finals action, it came with perhaps one slightly negative aspect: it was only Richmond.

The Saints clearly showed the gulf between serious finals aspirants and those that are still a long way off the pace.

St Kilda dominated the midfield and chopped up Richmond's defence.

The Saints blue-chip midfielders, dual Brownlow medallist Robert Harvey, Lenny Hayes and Nick Dal Santo, exploded into action from the first bounce to set up an eight-goal first term for St Kilda.

That set the tone for a clinic in which St Kilda won every quarter and all over the ground.

In the defensive half, Austinn Jones and Matt Maguire, who was carried from the ground mid-way through the final term after he and opposing No. 31 Chris Hyde collided and knocked each other out, controlled the clearances and set up the rich supply through the corridor via their classy onballers.

The result was a potent rate of conversion that boasted 13 Saints sharing a 22-goal booty.

Fraser Gehrig was held to just four by Darren Gaspar – a fair effort from the Tiger defender, considering the amount of supply coming into the Saints forward 50 – but right beside him Stephen Milne proved a serial pest with his swag of 5.2.

Conversely, Richmond's front half was, save for a four-goal return by ruckman Greg Stafford, barren.

Tiger hero and trump forward Matthew Richardson went into the clash as the AFL's leading goalkicker and also No. 1 in marks. He was kept to just three behinds by Max Hudghton, and as many grabs.

By game's end, Jones, Harvey, Dal Santo, Raphael Clarke, former Tiger Aaron Fiora and Brendon Goddard had enjoyed 20 or more possessions, and all of them proved sharper and more dangerous than Richmond's high possession getters.

A factor the stats often don't show is physical presence.

Former Saint skipper Aaron Hamill was listed for nine touches only, but his strength and constant presence at the contest was invaluable for a Saints side still without this year's captain Nick Riewoldt.

St Kilda had a 28-point buffer at the first change and it grew to 45 by halftime.

With the gap more than 50 by the final change, the Richmond dream was long gone. All that remained was a question of how harsh the football lesson would be.

In the aftermath is sober reflection – with eyes wide open.

In Round 1, the Tigers went up against Geelong, another 2004 preliminary finalist, and were smashed by 62 points.

Then they squeaked past Hawthorn and the Bulldogs – 15th and 14th last year – before last week thumping Fremantle at the MCG. But Freo is a side that suffers travel sickness if it ventures any further east than Burswood casino.

Now Round 5 is gone and St Kilda made sure the Tigers got their reality check by ensuring they were well and truly dusted.

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,15074785%255E19771,00.html

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Re: Reality check
« Reply #17 on: April 25, 2005, 04:03:23 AM »
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As for Krakouer, he seems to be the exception to the rule of most at Punt Rd in regards to the new coach. While most have flourished and seemed rejuvenated under Wallace, the talented Aboriginal has gone the other way.

Last night he found himself on the bottom of the Tigers stats sheet with just four touches and one goal.

A visit to former mentor Danny Frawley should be on the cards this week.

LMFAOOOOOOOOOO@visiting Frawley for advice. WHY DO YOU THINK HE IS PHUCKED UP IN THE FIRST PLACE?

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It's back to the drawingboard for Wallace.

He has a lot of players just going around, with Simmonds and his other ruckman Trent Knobel again disappointing.

Knobel was ok, Simmonds needs a spell if he fails next week.


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Ray Hall is not the answer in defence and was taught a lesson in how to attack the ball by Hamill, while the likes of Kayne Pettifer and Wayne Campbell don't do enough.

Campbell has been getting 18.4 touches on average from little more than half a game each week. He's not the problem.  :thumbsup

« Last Edit: April 25, 2005, 04:14:06 AM by JohnF »

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Re: Reality check
« Reply #18 on: April 25, 2005, 04:04:03 AM »
The other midfield match-ups saw Shane Tuck, Mark Coughlan and Chris Hyde. Good honest battlers.
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Hey just forget Cogs is still working his way back to full match fitness from his groin problems. He was stuffed by the 3rd quarter.

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Wayne Campbell don't do enough.
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Cambo only came onto the ground in the second half of each quarter and was quite good in the things he did. Yeah he's not the player he was but give the guy a break in his last season of footy ::).

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A DELUDED Richmond supporter uttered joyously the sleeping giant was awake, moments after his team had secured its third successive victory a little over a week ago
Let's just ignore the fact that the majority of Tiger supporters know exactly where we are at despite those 3 wins and are willing to be patient ::).  

Sheesh the press have enjoyed sticking the boot into us today  :P.  
« Last Edit: April 25, 2005, 04:06:02 AM by mightytiges »
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Re: Reality check
« Reply #19 on: April 25, 2005, 04:11:40 AM »
Hey just forget Cogs is still working his way back to full match fitness from his groin problems. He was stuffed by the 3rd quarter.

And he still beat Ball easily.

 


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Re: Reality check
« Reply #20 on: April 25, 2005, 05:59:43 AM »
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A visit to former mentor Danny Frawley should be on the cards this week.(Quote by Jennifer Witham
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Great advice from a woman who knows jack about anything.

It would be like  getting 4 months into drug rehabilitation and deciding to visit your old dealer for some advice."

Frawley would tell him to go to StKilda anyway,the rotten dog.

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Re: Reality check
« Reply #21 on: April 25, 2005, 07:34:35 AM »
No reality check here - I knew where we were at and so should all of us. We just need to build throughout this season and next and then I may start to expect things.

I think we tried and didn't give up but as someone close to me at the game said even Micky Mouse could coach the Saints.

They are just an awesome side - they obviously came switched on and gave us no mercy at all, just thier relentless attack on the ball even when the game was all said and done - Far out. TW should give all the players a copy of this tape and make them all memorise it. Play by Play.

I would like to see some of the crumbers up forward with all the big boofheads if the ball hits the ground it's gone  :banghead
At least have a couple of guys running in with the flight of the ball so there is someone on the ground.

Like some one else mentioned should have gone one on one. Dont know how much it would of helped really as in all even contests the saints just seemed to have a bit of a sixth sense and found a teammate and a way out. They just seem to know each others games really well. Sayin that at least it would have given our players a lesson in accountability.

Dont get me wrong here - we are on the right track early stages as it is and a few more victories are on the way. We have a game plan and looked ok in patches in the previous 3 weeks - and still reckon we may pull off a couple of surprises - But that wasn't one of them yesterday  :cheers

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Re: Reality check
« Reply #22 on: April 25, 2005, 09:43:07 AM »
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No reality check here - I knew where we were at and so should all of us. We just need to build throughout this season and next and then I may start to expect things.

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Re: Reality check
« Reply #23 on: April 25, 2005, 12:09:01 PM »
Difference was :

* There was no space this week inside our 50. We havent the passing skills of Saints to pin point passes to our forwards advantage, especially when there are loose defenders.

* When the goals were meant to be kicked early in the game to keep us competitive, we missed them. Their small backmen ran the ball out with skill and precision, whereas our backmen struggled. (Well done Kellaway and Gas)
 
* The passing to Richo was either not there or poo. The passing to Simmonds was not existent? Can we not use him better?

* Why did we have 2 free defenders early on? Is it not a case of panic? So Saints had two loose players and moved the ball out nicely...Fiora, Clarke, Jones ran the ball out and out and out...
 
IMO Saints and Geelong will finish top 3 along with West Coast. Saints and StKilda were unlucky not to have played in last years Grand Final. So in hindsight I am not dissapointed, I realise we are still learning and it will take time to get the confidence up and running. We are on the right track, hang in there.

 

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Re: Reality check
« Reply #24 on: April 25, 2005, 12:14:57 PM »

A DELUDED Richmond supporter uttered joyously the sleeping giant was awake, moments after his team had secured its third successive victory a little over a week ago.

The most deluded in the last 3 weeks have been the media - who got very excited over a few wins over average teams (and trust me Freo are average at best - the deluded media are the ones who think otherwise ;D). Every single person who went there yesterday or watched on TV if they were being true to themselves would know that yesterday was going to tell us where we were at (as they say in the cliches)

I am many things but deluded is definitely not one of them - we have a long long way to go. What yesterday again proved and what has been apparent so far in season 2005 is that there are maybe 4 really good teams who are far and away better than the rest and then thereis the rest that are very even if everything is going well - that's not being delusional that's being realistic.

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Re: Terry's not got the cattle - yet
« Reply #25 on: April 25, 2005, 01:45:34 PM »
The concerning thing is it's going to take a while to replace these guys as our list is thin in regards to middle year players especially KPPs. Our midfield is ok in terms of youngsters coming through but the next draft has to build up our bookends.

A sobering thought indeed MT, especially if you put Riewoldt on a HFF - what would we have done then? We need essentially an entire new backline over the next 3 or 4 drafts.

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Re: Reality check
« Reply #26 on: April 26, 2005, 06:36:31 AM »
until our team matures as a group under tw we will slip up every now and then.

we just didnt do all the things that we did the previuos week and that bec the saints didnt give us room , but its all about learning, what was dissappointing as tiv said, we didnt put score board pressure early when we should have been 3 goals up!

the trend of trend of teh game was, we win the hard ball, win the cleearance , move the ball fwd, pick teh wrong option, cre8 a rebound, dont man up, they briongthe ball in fast and walla goal!

everytime we should have m they did!

apparantaly we won the clearances and hard ball gates, matched them inside 50's and won the contested marks, and lost by 12 goals!

just shows we need to play more man on man footy noy this zone crap!


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Re: Reality check
« Reply #27 on: April 27, 2005, 06:29:02 PM »
Spot on X all Sunday proved was what we already knew we are not a top 4 side were 10 goals from there, but do we still rank as a bottom 4 side that is the question, I think not......maybe.
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Re: Reality check
« Reply #28 on: April 28, 2005, 11:20:32 AM »
I think the first test is to become a bottom 4 side. We weren't a bottom 4 side in 2004, we were the bottom side in 2004. I think that 6/7 wins, generally improved competitiveness and a 13th placing would still be an improvement, even though it's "still" bottom 4. Having said that, a move to 11th/12th would feel better.