Sack Hardwick [merged]

[Diocletian]

You don't think instilling the right mindset and keeping the playing group up & ready for all challenges is part of a coach's responsibilty? Do you think if they're still pooting themselves six years into his tenure, it's got nothing at all to do with him?

With something like this I don't think there's much Dimma can do. He can try his hardest but if they're too soft to handle the pressure then that is their own fault. You can't change much between the ears IMO.
Could our 'character testing' at combines kicked us in the butt? Too many nice guys that are soft as butter? To me that seems a more likely scenario and IIRC that was a Jackson/Hartley decision.

I think a good coach should get a team to show more conistency and composure by now

lets go back a step

what about a player on the god dam goal line during a set shot 

Exactly Judge - basic errors that shouldn't still be happening six years in.....

[Penelope]

How much responsibility do the leaders on the ground take on these matters?

[Zlatan]

How much responsibility do the leaders on the ground take on these matters?

yep its cotchins fault grigg is awful

rance fault chaplin moves like a large boat

 

[Penelope]

do you have to be stoned to draw such stupid inane conclusions or does it just come natural for you, george?

[Diocletian]

How much responsibility do the leaders on the ground take on these matters?

Some of it al yes but why aren't these things ingrained by now? Who trains and educates the players and lays down the minimum standards expected? Who comes up with the tactics and set ups and works through different scenarios during the week? After 6 years and 6 pre-seasons it can't still just be a case of the players forgetting to do things on the field or being too lazy or stupid and even if they are again you have to ask why this still hasn't been rectified after 121 matches under the same coach?

[🏅Dooks]

You Hardwick soap reachers crack me up. Or, if I may be more accurate, does he crack you up?

Stuffing hilt of slow mindedness.

[Yeahright]

lets go back a step

what about a player on the god dam goal line during a set shot 

Exactly Judge - basic errors that shouldn't still be happening six years in.....

See, this irks me. Surely an experienced and well respected ruckman like Maric (who is also our vice-captain) doesn't need Dimma to send a runner to him every time they are kicking for goal and tell him to get on the goal line? Dimma can only do so much to ingrain this into players and if they are still relying on Dimma to tell them when to stand on the line then we have big big problems and all of them are bigger than Dimma

You Hardwick soap reachers crack me up. Or, if I may be more accurate, does he crack you up?

Stuffing hilt of slow mindedness.

Mmmm one could argue resorting to name calling is a characteristic of slow mindedness. Why don't you contribute to discussion instead of labeling people as "Hardwick soap reachers". God forbid someone doesn't blame Dimma for every little thing that goes wrong

[Chuck17]

lets go back a step

what about a player on the god dam goal line during a set shot 

Exactly Judge - basic errors that shouldn't still be happening six years in.....

See, this irks me. Surely an experienced and well respected ruckman like Maric (who is also our vice-captain) doesn't need Dimma to send a runner to him every time they are kicking for goal and tell him to get on the goal line? Dimma can only do so much to ingrain this into players and if they are still relying on Dimma to tell them when to stand on the line then we have big big problems and all of them are bigger than Dimma

For FFS this is taught to kids who play Aussie Rules by the age of 10

Anyone who thinks this is the coaches fault is just a hater who is going to grab at anything to hate

[Francois Jackson]

You don't think instilling the right mindset and keeping the playing group up & ready for all challenges is part of a coach's responsibilty? Do you think if they're still pooting themselves six years into his tenure, it's got nothing at all to do with him?

Id like someone to answer this question if they disagree and explain why.

I wait with bated breath.

Didn't think I would get a reply Doc. Would have thought that chuck  fella would be able to produce a reply

[one-eyed]

lets go back a step

what about a player on the god dam goal line during a set shot 

Exactly Judge - basic errors that shouldn't still be happening six years in.....

See, this irks me. Surely an experienced and well respected ruckman like Maric (who is also our vice-captain) doesn't need Dimma to send a runner to him every time they are kicking for goal and tell him to get on the goal line? Dimma can only do so much to ingrain this into players and if they are still relying on Dimma to tell them when to stand on the line then we have big big problems and all of them are bigger than Dimma

For FFS this is taught to kids who play Aussie Rules by the age of 10

Anyone who thinks this is the coaches fault is just a hater who is going to grab at anything to hate

When we fail to turn up mentally, we have a habit as a team of making a number of these dumb schoolboy errors  . We still don't understand the rushed behind rule for example  .

[Yeahright]

You don't think instilling the right mindset and keeping the playing group up & ready for all challenges is part of a coach's responsibilty? Do you think if they're still pooting themselves six years into his tenure, it's got nothing at all to do with him?

Id like someone to answer this question if they disagree and explain why.

I wait with bated breath.

Didn't think I would get a reply Doc. Would have thought that chuck  fella would be able to produce a reply

Ignoring the part where I replied this because it suits you or because you don't bother reading?

[Francois Jackson]

I missed it, sorry

Read it now and to me that still reads he should take full responsibility

Hartley and Hackson have shown they are amateurs at their trade but dimwit keeps them on the payroll

We recruit introverts who bar a few play for themselves.

Do you not think after 6 years we should be well ahead of the buldogs and a rebuilding pies

[Yeahright]

I missed it, sorry

Read it now and to me that still reads he should take full responsibility

Hartley and Hackson have shown they are amateurs at their trade but dimwit keeps them on the payroll

We recruit introverts who bar a few play for themselves.

Do you not think after 6 years we should be well ahead of the buldogs and a rebuilding pies

Yes I do and I think we probably are. Bulldogs are playing very well lately but lets see how they maintain it, it's only been half a season. If we had there effort and intensity we would be in the top 4 right now IMO.
I think we all agree what the issue is and where we need to approve, but we aren't going to agree on who is mostly responsible for it.
This doesn't mean Dimma isn't to blame for a lot of other things for example their loose backs killing us. Where was the structure change? The continuing return of Newman although it is a nice change to see him actually come back via the VFL. Shame he is showing nothing but will probably still come in

[Penelope]

How much responsibility do the leaders on the ground take on these matters?

Some of it al yes but why aren't these things ingrained by now? Who trains and educates the players and lays down the minimum standards expected? Who comes up with the tactics and set ups and works through different scenarios during the week? After 6 years and 6 pre-seasons it can't still just be a case of the players forgetting to do things on the field or being too lazy or stupid and even if they are again you have to ask why this still hasn't been rectified after 121 matches under the same coach?

fair questions too. I'm not trying to absolve Hardwick of responsibility, but the players themselves, in particular the leaders, also shoulder the burden.

Although I'm suspecting that some will always think that only he takes full responsibility and the players themselves are absolved of any responsibility of their own performances

[Stalin]