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« Reply #195 on: August 06, 2012, 10:49:21 AM »
Moore, McGuane, Post, A. Maric et al. left us seriously exposed. Not to mention Graham in the GC game.

JVT.  I noticed you completely edited your previous post.  I agree with a lot of your posts on this forum.  This one is way off the mark though.

How can you write the above when Hardwick recruited Maric.   You have to be kidding. He kept Moore, McGuane and Post on the list for the last 3 years.  Not to mention Connors, Webberley etc.  He played Post round 1.  But that is somehow Wallaces fault?

We weren't up against Hawthorn but lest we forget, we beat them.  How wonderful their list must be then.  Keep praising them while we copy their game plan to our detriment.  We played Carltons kids on the weekend.  We lost to GCS kids.

Armfield. Ripped our Captain a new one.  Guess thats a depth issue?  70 odd games vrs 209 games of experience.

Lets look at Carltons players who played:  Bell, Rookie.  Casboult - 2 career games.  Collins - Richmond reject - 35 games.  Frazer Dale.  Rookie. 2 Games.  Davies.  14 Career games - 1 this year.  Duigan.  35 games.  Mcinnes 4 games.  Tuohy 26 games. 

These kids wouldn't have the endurance to run an afl game out.

They replaced.  Judd, Henderson, Hampson, Waite, Russel, Bower, Laidler, Robinson, Simpson, Walker, Warnock.

But we were at an injury disadvantage and had the depth crisis.  Its funny but it isn't true.

As to Claw.  You started off with the Naive talk.  Then you added Fool to the mix.  Then you added delusional.  I am just quoting you.  Maybe you don't like reading your own rubbish. Maybe you have covered up all the mirrors in your place?
Late reply, but your missing my point entirely. My point is we dont have 'depth' players, the guys we call in are rubbish. I'm not saying that other clubs haven't had to call up players due to injuries, I'm stating that the guys they have had come in are miles in front of our 'depth players'.

For example, in that Carlton game, Bell, Casboult, Collins, Dale, Davies, Duigan, Mcinnes and Tuohy performed way better and impacted the game profoundly more than the guys we have brought up from the VFL.

Does that make sense for you now? Until we can get some QUALITY DEPTH players, we will continue to lose games, not because our top 6-7 are not good enough, because they can match with any in the league, but because too much is left to them as they have to carry spuds like Moore, McGuane, A. Maric etc.

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Re: Sack Hardwick
« Reply #196 on: August 06, 2012, 12:55:05 PM »
Having a strong list and depth has never been more important than it is now. With all the additional work players are now called upon in today's game, injuries are inevitable. Development and recruiting are where the resources need to be pumped into!

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« Reply #197 on: August 06, 2012, 01:52:03 PM »
Having a strong list and depth has never been more important than it is now. With all the additional work players are now called upon in today's game, injuries are inevitable. Development and recruiting are where the resources need to be pumped into!
Exactly, and fact is our depth is that far behind the rest of the competition it's a joke. Before we even scrape into our 'depth players' the bottom 4-5 in our fully fit starting lineup could probably be moved on for better quality players also. When those 4-5 players (Newman, Jackson, King, Dea etc.) become our 'depth players' . . . we'll be looking seriously good on the field.

Bottom players on a match day for us should be Houli, Grigg, Batch, Conca etc.


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« Reply #198 on: August 06, 2012, 01:55:07 PM »
JVT.  Your contention is that Carlton rookies etc are better than experienced Richmond players. 

If we accept that, then it presents a stronger reason to sack Hardwick beyond his poor match day coaching skills.

Why has he kept by your words "spuds"?  Where are our rookies?  Where are our good young players?   Apart from the first round draft picks, there really aren't any.

When Hardwick goes, should take with him, skills coach, fitness coach, football manager, recruiting manager, development manager, line coaches and anyone who came up with the losing game plan.  Only person I would keep is the guy identifying mature age recruits, morris, maric, houli and grigg have all been good recruits in the context of our list.  Person in charge of player payments would have a few questions to answer as well.

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« Reply #199 on: August 06, 2012, 02:11:44 PM »
aaahhh the difference bw cariton v rfc was RATTEN over DIMWIT

things are bad then :help
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« Reply #200 on: August 06, 2012, 02:13:21 PM »
JVT.  Your contention is that Carlton rookies etc are better than experienced Richmond players. 

If we accept that, then it presents a stronger reason to sack Hardwick beyond his poor match day coaching skills.

Why has he kept by your words "spuds"?  Where are our rookies?  Where are our good young players?   Apart from the first round draft picks, there really aren't any.

When Hardwick goes, should take with him, skills coach, fitness coach, football manager, recruiting manager, development manager, line coaches and anyone who came up with the losing game plan.  Only person I would keep is the guy identifying mature age recruits, morris, maric, houli and grigg have all been good recruits in the context of our list.  Person in charge of player payments would have a few questions to answer as well.
Which of the spuds left are from his drafting? And of those, which picks were high picks? I can think of Webberley who was a pick 70-something, apart from that??

The rest are either left overs on inflated contracts from pre-Dimma or have managed to survive the culling thus far based purely on the fact we had to re-build in compromised drafts (with GC and GWS) limiting the amount of players we could move on in any given season. I am confident they wont survive past this season.

So to answer, yes, that is exactly what I am saying. Their (Carlton's) rookies are better than the experienced RFC players of the ilk of Moores and McGuane's. Horrible when you admit it isn't it? This isn't Dimma's fault, he has moved on 30+ players in the short time he has been at the club.

The club seems to have focussed on young players they know will take 2 years on the list for us to be rewarded from (Darrou, Wright, Elton, Arnot, O'Hanlon, Verrier etc.). What I'd like to see this off season, and what would make us much more competitive, would be to draft some more from that State Leagues (Get a few more of the Morris, Barlow, Duigan types as depth) and remove the crap that we have representing our club currently. Free agency pick ups in Chaplin and Cloke and superior drafting in the first 3 rounds with our first 4 picks would be massive for this club. Realistically, we need to move on 8 players from the bottom of our list.

Football is harsh, and too many on our list are not up to dominating the VFL, let alone standing up when called to the AFL.

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Re: Sack Hardwick
« Reply #201 on: August 06, 2012, 03:56:13 PM »
The club seems to have focussed on young players they know will take 2 years on the list for us to be rewarded from (Darrou, Wright, Elton, Arnot, O'Hanlon, Verrier etc.).

Football is harsh, and too many on our list are not up to dominating the VFL, let alone standing up when called to the AFL.

None of the rookies from the first year draft are left.  Most of the other picks are gone or average players at best.  He recruited A Maric.  One of the greatest duds of all time.  Nason was better.  Saw most of the players you mentioned above on the weekend.  Non competitive at VFL level. Forget dominating.

Tuck was left in the reserves thats cost us those close losses at the start of last season.  Remember, he wanted to play kids instead.  Where are they? 

Mull over the latest Hardwick blunder.  It would have cost us another game, were it not the Voss led lions that we played against.  Hardwick doesn't deserve to coach this football club.

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Hardwick conceded that an imbalance in his on-ball make-up allowed Brisbane to seize initiative around congestion at times when he had top play-makers Dustin Martin and Shane Tuck sitting up forward at the same time.   “At times we had Tuck and Martin in the forward line at the same time , which wasn’t meant to happen,” said the Tigers boss.
“So we lost a good clearance player around the scrimmages. “So we rectified that and started to get the ball moving our way.”
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« Reply #202 on: August 06, 2012, 06:03:18 PM »
I firmly believe a coach needs 5 years to stamp his authority and style on a team.After that "all bets are off"

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« Reply #203 on: August 06, 2012, 07:10:05 PM »
Tuck was left in the reserves thats cost us those close losses at the start of last season.  Remember, he wanted to play kids instead.  Where are they? 

Helbig's been injured.

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« Reply #204 on: August 06, 2012, 07:57:12 PM »
The club seems to have focussed on young players they know will take 2 years on the list for us to be rewarded from (Darrou, Wright, Elton, Arnot, O'Hanlon, Verrier etc.).

Football is harsh, and too many on our list are not up to dominating the VFL, let alone standing up when called to the AFL.

None of the rookies from the first year draft are left.  Most of the other picks are gone or average players at best.  He recruited A Maric.  One of the greatest duds of all time.  Nason was better.  Saw most of the players you mentioned above on the weekend. 
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been having this debate with daniel. you dont expect rookies to make it its a bloody numbers game if you get one in six or there abouts  to be a decent player you are doing okay.
of course westhoff, roberts, orielly, hicks, gilligan, polak and contin are gone what did you expect.  sure it would be nice if one turned out okay but its not the end of the world just ask every other club.
i find it amusing and at the same time mindboggling that with all the information that we have nowadays people still expect most late picks and rookie picks to be gems. it doesnt work that way.

look at it this way.  utiliseing the rookie draft to the max gives you a chance to find a decent player if your lucky maybe even two if your real lucky.

finally i have to say what the hell are we doing even rating young players from just 3 drafts ago especially rookie picks who come to a club with chronic weaknesses in their games unlike early picks. where the stuff is the patience.

its like hey matt dea is a dud hes had 3 yrs he should be dominating by now. never mind we took him as a late 3rd rnd pick who had only been in footy a short while.

every player is different and the case for or against is different for all of them. skinny 200cm ruckmen are not going to do well against afl ruckmen until they can physically cmpete  build a moter etc so they may not be expected to even get a game for three yrs.  you must look at each player individually.

dustin martin is a genuine talent big bodied and physically ready to go straight away. but he wont dominate consistently until he builds a big enough motor it may take 4 yrs to build that motor where it needs to be.
look at cotchin could not do a preseason due to his achilles.

give them a decent time time to prove themselves expect improvement and if there is none say so but writing them off  geez ive read conca is no good neither is ellis  batchelor has struggled at times do we right him off because of it.

matt arnot has not played agame what do we get delist the bum :o people really have no idea  its a joke. arnot has showed heaps the big question again is his tank. be nice if he can get it to a level where he earns a game before the yr is out.

we are talking about 1st 2nd and 3rd yr players here and people are sooking already that we dont get a decent contribution out of them that is laughable.

astbury and griffiths are in yr 3 both are talls both have had their fair share of injury these guys when fit have been thrown in the deep end because there has been no one else yet the expectations are they should dominate. how wrong can people be even in yr 3 they are there for no other reason than the experience.

the first 4 picks from 2009 have all showed enough to warrant keeping when all the circumstances are looked at. of course improvement is to be expected and demanded. the only bad pick in that draft was taylor at 51 in hindsight his behavior was perhaps a risk we should not have taken.

the first 3 picks from 2010 look sound choices conca batchelor and helbig have all showed good signs cwhen considering their individual circumstances.

2011 well only ellis has played afl but elton a tall was he really expected to play this yr  and arnott big body late pick no motor if he was to get a game it would only be for the experience same for elton.
it does my head in to see supporters with so little patience and such big expectations.

theres plenty of blokes at the club who have clear chronic weakness in their games and have been there for yrs. why we have to lay into the kids  before they are ready and leave these glass half fulls alone is beyond me.



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Re: Sack Hardwick
« Reply #205 on: April 26, 2013, 11:24:35 PM »
Hardwick is a dead man walking.

HE HAS LEARNT NOTHING!

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« Reply #206 on: April 26, 2013, 11:34:01 PM »
Hardwick is a dead man walking.

HE HAS LEARNT NOTHING!

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Ur a deadset stuffing troll

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« Reply #207 on: April 26, 2013, 11:35:24 PM »
he keeps rance in the team .. and brings back nahas ..
we will get pumped be Geelong and it's same ol Richmond

Newman is finished
rance is finished
nahas is finished
Jackson is finished

white gets another chance

lets see if Hardwick has the balls to make the right decisions

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Re: Sack Hardwick
« Reply #208 on: April 26, 2013, 11:47:03 PM »
he keeps rance in the team .. and brings back nahas ..
we will get pumped be Geelong and it's same ol Richmond

Newman is finished
rance is finished
nahas is finished
Jackson is finished

white gets another chance

lets see if Hardwick has the balls to make the right decisions

that games at the G not kadinia park, richmond by 4 goals :shh
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Re: Sack Hardwick
« Reply #209 on: April 26, 2013, 11:55:06 PM »
Hardwick is a dead man walking.

HE HAS LEARNT NOTHING!

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Hahahahahahahaha you're a funny bloke torch.

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