Tigers in Giant hunt for Mark Williams (Age)

[dwaino]

You ripper, Tiges 

[mightytiges]

The guy is bad news, main reason Port is where they have been for the last couple of years is because of him.

Port's woes are deeper than that. No doubt Williams' time was up after 10 years there but the board and admin they've had over the past 5 years have had no idea. Got heaps of their own people offside which has caused a loss of identity. Post-2004 premiership everyone that's any good has left to go elsewhere. The way they treated the Cornes brothers was a disgrace. Similar to what Melbourne did to James MacDonald. Opposition clubs have poached all of Port's best people in footy and Port couldn't do anything about it as they have no money.

What you on about, MT? How have the Cornes brothers been treated? Kane is on a great contract for a battler. Who should Chadwick gotten a game ahead of last year? Carlile at FB? B&F Winner Jackson Trengove at CHB? Or our saviour Troy Chaplin as 3rd tall? And please don't tell me that he should have been played forward every week. I love the Chad, but he started declining very quickly after 2007. James McDonald was one of Melbournes best players. Cornes was barely best 22.
I suppose the way we've treated Webberley is a disgrace. Disgraceful to play someone in the reserves when they're not good enough to play seniors. 

Yep because Webberley is a club champion, premiership player and a favourite son of the club lol. Chad Cornes averaged 20 possies in 16 games this year so he's hardly been a liability for GWS playing a variety of roles. He and his brother like a number at Port who had been around since the 2004 flag were made virtual scapegoats for Port's demise. Not their fault the Board/admin didn't have a clue, the club has limited resources and is losing $$$, and that Primus was dud coach who got the sack less than a year later along with the Prez and CEO stepping down. Troubles and instability off-field are almost always eventually reflected in poor onfield performance. We've known that all too well at Richmond over the past 30 years.

[one-eyed]

Mark Williams poised to leave GWS to join Richmond

    Sam Landsberger
    From: Herald Sun
    September 01, 2012 6:57PM

UPDATE: MARK Williams has walked out on Greater Western Sydney and is set to return to Melbourne, possibly as an assistant coach at Richmond.

Williams, 54, has been Kevin Sheedy’s right-hand man at the Giants this year and was believed to be the heir apparent to the top job.

But with Sheedy earning a one-year contract extension, Williams is poised to join the Tigers in a development role in a massive coup to head coach Damien Hardwick.

His departure was ratified tonight, following the Giants' final match of the season against North Melbourne.

"Mark has made an outstanding contribution to the Giants over the past two years and has been a brilliant teacher to our young players and we want to thank him for everything he has done for our club," GWS chief executive David Matthews said.

Richmond is set to embark on beefing up its development program and will enter a stand-alone reserves side in the VFL from 2014.

The Tigers will also employ affiliate Coburg’s coach next year, with former captain Wayne Campbell a frontrunner to land that post.

Williams coached Hardwick to a premiership at Port Adelaide in 2004 and is believed to be desperate to return to Melbourne despite having a year to run on his Giants contract.

He was rated a $34 favourite to win the vacant Carlton coaching job, behind unbackable favourite Mick Malthouse.

A move to the Tigers would also end speculation Williams could return to the Power following the axing of his Alberton successor Matthew Primus.

http://www.perthnow.com.au/sport/afl/mark-williams-poised-to-leave-gws-to-join-richmond/story-e6frg1xu-1226463097620

[one-eyed]

Greater Western Sydney assistant coach Mark Williams quits club, linked to Richmond development role

    By Rob Forsaith
    AAP
    September 01, 2012 8:27PM

Greater Western Sydney coach Kevin Sheedy paid tribute to outgoing senior assistant coach Mark Williams on Saturday night, saying he hopes the former AFL premiership mentor joins Richmond.

Williams had long been tipped to assume the reins from Sheedy after 2013, but asked for a release from the final year of his contract to move to Melbourne for family reasons.

It was granted and Williams, who guided Port Adelaide to their sole AFL premiership in 2004, is reportedly set to reunite with former pupil Damien Hardwick at Richmond.

Sheedy, who praised the contribution of Williams after the side's maiden season ended with a 28-point loss to North Melbourne, hoped his former understudy would join the Tigers.

"If he did go to Richmond, I think he's an acquisition to the club. He'll help Richmond get into the eight and I'd like to see that, being an old Tiger," Sheedy said.

"He's one of the best teacher coaches I've ever worked with - there's no doubt about that."

It had been speculated that Williams's relationship with the Giants had soured recently, especially after they appointed Sheedy as coach for next season, but GWS chief executive David Matthews didn't believe that was the case.

"I don't see that," Matthews said.

"I think if you saw the reaction from the players tonight when he announced this was his last game, you see the players had formed a close relationship with him - as they have with Kevin Sheedy and all the coaches. There's not one coach at this club, there's many.

"And I don't see any particular evidence of that (Williams's discontent). Whether people get frustrated in their careers is something that happens in football, but he's been brilliant for this club.

"He's an outstanding teacher."

Sheedy conceded his reappointment for 2013 might have had a bearing on Williams's exit.

"That decision has probably frustrated him."

http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-premiership/greater-western-sydney-assistant-coach-mark-williams-quits-club-linked-to-richmond-development-role/story-e6frf3e3-1226463105236

[Coach]

The guy is bad news, main reason Port is where they have been for the last couple of years is because of him.

Port's woes are deeper than that. No doubt Williams' time was up after 10 years there but the board and admin they've had over the past 5 years have had no idea. Got heaps of their own people offside which has caused a loss of identity. Post-2004 premiership everyone that's any good has left to go elsewhere. The way they treated the Cornes brothers was a disgrace. Similar to what Melbourne did to James MacDonald. Opposition clubs have poached all of Port's best people in footy and Port couldn't do anything about it as they have no money.

What you on about, MT? How have the Cornes brothers been treated? Kane is on a great contract for a battler. Who should Chadwick gotten a game ahead of last year? Carlile at FB? B&F Winner Jackson Trengove at CHB? Or our saviour Troy Chaplin as 3rd tall? And please don't tell me that he should have been played forward every week. I love the Chad, but he started declining very quickly after 2007. James McDonald was one of Melbournes best players. Cornes was barely best 22.
I suppose the way we've treated Webberley is a disgrace. Disgraceful to play someone in the reserves when they're not good enough to play seniors. 

Yep because Webberley is a club champion, premiership player and a favourite son of the club lol.

You're not very smart, are you? lol. Webberley and Cornes both have something in common, neither are good enough. Webberely now and Chad at Port in 2010/11. If you feel so strongly about this then why aren't you whinging about Joel Bowden playing magoos in 2009? He was actually still in our best 22 when he got the ass "lol".
loland how was Kane made a scapegoat? He got dropped last year because he was playing like absolute dog poo. Don't worry about how many times he run around the back for the hands 

and feck me dude, you could get 20 kicks a game playing loose man for GWS

[yellowandback]

One thing Choco brings to the table - the comment about him being a great teaching coach is widely known.
He has a great skill set and experience to be a great development coach.
Great appointment Tiges - a mile ahead of Neil Craig.

[bojangles17]

Theres one difference bw choco and craig, a FLAG

[Penelope]

Sheedy conceded his reappointment for 2013 might have had a bearing on Williams's exit.

"That decision has probably frustrated him."

This is the part the concerns me.

If williams has got the poos and left GWS because he wasnt going to get the main gig for another year, why would he come to richmond in a development role?

will he be sweating on hardwick to fail and white ant him for the main job?

Or is it just frustration the sheedy actually does sweet FA yet holds the role as main coach?

[Coach]

Choco was under the impression that he would be coach in 2013. Doesn't like being mucked around, so he has come to Richmond in a bid to be our next premiership coach

[Tigeritis™©®]

Uuuummmm, why Choco ?

Realistically what can Willaims bring to the table that someone such as a Richardson couldn't in a development role ?

A destablising influence & divisive figure perhaps ?

Too many ex-Port peolple already at RFC - Hardwick, Lade, Hartley & perhaps Chaplan.

RFC certainly needed a culture change - but to Port - no thanks !

Would prefer a blend of Hawks & Geelongs game plan & culture from the last 5 years.

Why?
Because he's a no nonsense hard case that's why.

He's been in footy for a long time, hes seen it all and more importantly he's won the ultimate prize.
From all reports he's fantastic at development.
I think this is a great decision.
Well done Benny Gale and Hardwick. 

I dont doubt his credentials, just his legacy at Port.

Choco was the prime mover in the 'me-first' culture that existed under his stewardship, and is still afflicting that club today.

I personally think you can import a poor culture and that the current Port influence is sufficient at RFC, and that a greater spread of success (eg from Geelong & Sydney & Collingscum) is needed to provide the balance to feed an emergent & unique 21st Century Tigers credos.

I doubt Hardwick would of agreed to his appointment if this so called "me first" attitude existed.
Hardwick worked under Williams at Port so if anyone knows what he's like I'm sure Hardwick does better than most.
Anyway most of the assistants at Geelong or collingwood have already gone to other clubs as senior coaches and we already have someone from hawthorn.
I don't see this as anything but positive to have a successful coach leading our development which is one thing that had been hopeless for many many years. 

[yellowandback]

Sheedy conceded his reappointment for 2013 might have had a bearing on Williams's exit.

"That decision has probably frustrated him."

This is the part the concerns me.

If williams has got the poos and left GWS because he wasnt going to get the main gig for another year, why would he come to richmond in a development role?

will he be sweating on hardwick to fail and white ant him for the main job?

Or is it just frustration the sheedy actually does sweet FA yet holds the role as main coach?

Last sentence. I think the word might be disingenuous. Choco leaves on principle, wants to move back to Melbourne and does a role in the interim until another role comes up

[Coach]

Uuuummmm, why Choco ?

Realistically what can Willaims bring to the table that someone such as a Richardson couldn't in a development role ?

A destablising influence & divisive figure perhaps ?

Too many ex-Port peolple already at RFC - Hardwick, Lade, Hartley & perhaps Chaplan.

RFC certainly needed a culture change - but to Port - no thanks !

Would prefer a blend of Hawks & Geelongs game plan & culture from the last 5 years.

Why?
Because he's a no nonsense hard case that's why.

He's been in footy for a long time, hes seen it all and more importantly he's won the ultimate prize.
From all reports he's fantastic at development.
I think this is a great decision.
Well done Benny Gale and Hardwick. 

I dont doubt his credentials, just his legacy at Port.

Choco was the prime mover in the 'me-first' culture that existed under his stewardship, and is still afflicting that club today.

I personally think you can import a poor culture and that the current Port influence is sufficient at RFC, and that a greater spread of success (eg from Geelong & Sydney & Collingscum) is needed to provide the balance to feed an emergent & unique 21st Century Tigers credos.

I doubt Hardwick would of agreed to his appointment if this so called "me first" attitude existed.
Hardwick worked under Williams at Port so if anyone knows what he's like I'm sure Hardwick does better than most.
Anyway most of the assistants at Geelong or collingwood have already gone to other clubs as senior coaches and we already have someone from hawthorn.
I don't see this as anything but positive to have a successful coach leading our development which is one thing that had been hopeless for many many years. 

Played under him. Didn't coach with him.

But WGAF. Choco is here

[Penelope]

Sheedy conceded his reappointment for 2013 might have had a bearing on Williams's exit.

"That decision has probably frustrated him."

This is the part the concerns me.

If williams has got the poos and left GWS because he wasnt going to get the main gig for another year, why would he come to richmond in a development role?

will he be sweating on hardwick to fail and white ant him for the main job?

Or is it just frustration the sheedy actually does sweet FA yet holds the role as main coach?

Last sentence. I think the word might be disingenuous. Choco leaves on principle, wants to move back to Melbourne and does a role in the interim until another role comes up

yeah, it could just be a principle thing. I'd hope he is not using the position as a stop gap though and is committing to a number of years.

as for the last sentence, there appears to be some smoke. It's not something i just made up.

[tigtuff12]

One thing Choco brings to the table - the comment about him being a great teaching coach is widely known.
He has a great skill set and experience to be a great development coach.
Great appointment Tiges - a mile ahead of Neil Craig.

^ agree mate - granted I think he's a fair knob of a bloke (not really important what I think of him personally as long as he does his job)

he def has well noted teaching & development skills (something we have lacked up until recently)....think he will compliment the coaching panel nicely & if he fast tracks the development of some of the younger guys then it's been a real coup...

[Stripes]

I think he was downright annoyed that he was not given the head coaching role at GWS when it was dangled in front of his to lure him to Sydney. He's the sort of bloke who is straight down the line - no political bs. He has come to Richmond because 1)he respects Hardwick and has had a good working relationship with him and Lade before, 2) he wanted to move back to Melbourne for his family, 3) he was offered a role at the club which is his greatest strength - development and 4) he can re-position himself for a senior gig more easily based in the football heartland.

I always saw Choco as an arrogant and big personality but when you look at all the best long term coaches they all are - think Malthouse, Sheedy and Matthews. His experience will be a great asset to the club and I hope he joins the others in the coaching box - this is where Dimma can draw on Choco's experience the most