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Re: Pick 42: Matthew McDonough
« Reply #45 on: November 23, 2012, 12:08:22 AM »
maybe he could teach jack about that  :whistle
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Re: Pick 42: Matthew McDonough
« Reply #46 on: November 23, 2012, 12:10:40 AM »
Was thinking the same. Just too polite to say it. :shh

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Re: Pick 42: Matthew McDonough
« Reply #47 on: November 23, 2012, 12:57:20 AM »
The next Brett Ebert :lol Send the kid back to the Eagles then ;D

Welcome Matt. Don't do a runner like the other guy I hoped would be quality forward who could take someone in our 22's spot

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Re: Pick 42: Matthew McDonough
« Reply #48 on: November 23, 2012, 09:20:13 AM »
McDonut
It already looks like that nickname is going to stick. Are you claiming it Gerks?

No need to claim it
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Re: Pick 42: Matthew McDonough
« Reply #49 on: November 23, 2012, 03:07:46 PM »
Phantom draft profiles:

38. North Melbourne – Matthew McDonough
Height: 180cm, Weight: 85kg
Recruited from: Woodville-West Torrens

McDonough is a solid small forward who kicks plenty of goals. He had a very strong championships for SA kicking 17 goals across the 5 games, including two hauls of six and with a strong body should be pushing for senior selection from next season.

http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/index.php?topic=16888.msg339777#msg339777

#81 Adelaide - Matthew McDonough (SA - Fwd)
Height: 180cm, Weight: 85g, DOB: 26/01/1994
Recruited from: Woodville West Torrens
Style:
Player comparison: Jason Porplyzia
Range: 30-rookie
Profile: Forward who is physically very strongly built and ready to produce. Has already shown that he can kick big goal hauls and his production throughout his career up to this stage has been sensational. Just knows where the goals are and has a real uncanny knack of finding ways to hit the scoreboard. I really like his kicking, very duel sided, hits his targets either foot and has that great goal sense and some nice penetration. Good finisher around goal and excellent from set shot attempts. The real highlight in McDonough’s game is his marking ability, very strong contested mark, 1v1 mark and on the lead. Doesn’t get much off the ground but even in the air is strong and has good body control. Despite his primary feature being his marking game McDonough is also very good at ground level and is very capable as a crumber, getting to the right positions for the bigs to bring to ground and to his advantage. Where McDonough falls short is his lack of athleticism. Speed not great and endurance a long way off where it needs to get to but he has shown promise through the midfield this season showing himself as a capable stoppage player and clearance specialist. Stands up in tackles and has wonderful strength. As a forward also needs to work on his tackling game but with his lack of pace I doubt it will ever be a feature of his game. Might be an interesting potential late draft bargain if he slides because he certainly has the proven production to back up his case. I’d look to draft him into an inside midfielder who can rotate forward and have an influence at times. He won’t be able to monster players physically at the next level with his size advantage he has in the u18s but with his marking ability, kicking ability on both sides and his strong ability 1v1 and improving inside game I think there is plenty to work with.

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/knightmares-2012-mock-draft.956129/

# 77 Geelong
Matthew McDonough
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180cm / 85kg / ‘94
Where this kid lands is what sort of scope clubs will think he has. Is he just your medium fwd type who is really clever around the goals and has some crumbing ability as well as some 1:1 ability or does he have the ability to also push into the middle like Johnson / ROK type. He lacks a yard but ROK isn’t quick either and he has the same strong body and nothing wrong with his ball winning. I was a bit in the former camp until I went back and watched some of his games again and I have come to conclusion he has some serious AFL smarts and is just a really good reader of the play. I just cant help but make a comparison to Hender though in terms of his draft prospects. Ultimately I think he has more positional scope though. Banfield, Ashby, Baldasso or Patrick Wilson are others around here that I think could fit the types they tend to go for.

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/snoop-dogs-2012-mock-national-draft.980620/

57. Gold Coast

McDonough does not fit the profile for a Clayton pick in the slightest but they could honestly do a lot worse here. GC need some goal kicking help and McDonough can give them that working off of some of the guys they will have up forward.

Matthew McDonough
DOB: 24/1/94 Ht: 180 Wt: 84

McDonough is one guy it would be easy to see fall in this draft because he is a forward who is a bit short, a bit chunky and not particularly athletic. He reminds me a lot of Tom Rockliff in his draft year. Rockliff played primarily as a forward and did it exceptionally well including starring with Sidebottom in the TAC GF but his non-traditional body shape and athleticism counted against him and he was overlooked in the ND. It is not out of the question that this could happen again with McDonough although I think someone is likely to take a punt on him.

McDonough lead SA in goals at the Champs both this year and last. After Menzel went down this year McDonough was very impressive averaging 18.4 disposals and 3.4 goals per game. The fact that he was not as prolific in the SANFL reserves and under 18s probably won’t help him. He did play a variety of positions in the SANFL competitions but he was still mostly up forward. He had 9 games in each of the reserves and under 18s. He averaged only 11.1 disposals per game in the under 18s but despite the low numbers was named in the best 6 times in his 9 games (as well as once in the ressies.

At the start of his career I expect McDonough to continue to play in a forward pocket. He is a very smart footballer and whilst I think it might take him a while to compensate for the increased size, strength and pace of AFL defenders I think he will get there. He is not a one trick pony up forward and can mix it up between leading, body on body contests and crumbing depending on what is going to work. He might struggle to be effective on the lead at AFL level as he is not particularly quick and is not able to get much separation even at junior level. He is nippy off the mark but not really anything more than that and the closing speed of most defenders will trouble him.

At the moment McDonough does tend to use his body quite a lot to create marking opportunities. He has a pretty powerful build which he used well at junior level to hold his position and protect the drop zone. He judges the ball very nicely in the air and has a nice set of hands. He does perhaps use his strength a bit much but if it is effective I can understand him wanting to continue to use it. His crumbing work is usually first class. He works to get the classic front and centre position when the big guys fly and he gets himself low to collect. He has really clean hands with the ball on the deck and is a pretty good snap of the ball getting foot to ball pretty quick. His goal sense is very good.

Kicking is a strength of McDonough and with his clean hands are the primary reasons why many people, myself included, see his future at AFL level probably lying up the ground. He is good off either foot and is an elite deliverer of the ball into 50. He is capable of punching it in there when needed but he also weights it nicely into space to draw the man onto it. On his non-preferred he is also a pretty good field kick and is reasonably accurate snap with his left as well. He tends to wave the ball around a bit on his approach to his set shot but he is an accurate kick and is good from 50 (probably not much more than that).

McDonough has played a bit through the midfield and down back this year and has shown some proficiency in the middle of the ground. He needs to get a lot fitter to make a permanent move into the middle of the ground but I could very much see that happening after a couple of preseasons spent building his engine. He could be a Chapman or Rockliff type who are pretty solid guys who are very effective in the middle of the ground and dangerous when they are resting up front. He can win clearances and works in traffic well. Quite a bit of work would need to be put into his positioning around the ground as well as the defensive aspects of playing through the midfield (as well as up forward now that I think it) but there could be a significant pay off.

Overall if a team picked McDonough that would be getting a very smart footballer who falls a little outside the mould of what a footballer should be in the current game. Notwithstanding that I do think he has a good chance to be effective if someone takes a punt on him.

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/quigleys-2012-mock.980920/

28. GWS - Matthew McDonough (180cm forward - Woodville)

Once Troy Menzel went down injured in the U18 Championships, someone really needed to step up for SA - and without a doubt, that person was Matt McDonough. Despite only being 180cm, he dominated up forward and kicked multiple goals in every game. And he has continued that trend back home in the SANFL. He isn't the tallest player going around, but he is strong. And he uses that to his advantage up forward. He is a very hard player to move in marking contests, his strength often seems to create a mismatch as he is lined up on smaller opponents. McDonough is also a very good kick, so has a lot of strings to his bow as a medium forward. Coming into the season, I wondered whether he could make the move to full time midfielder - and this season, he has proved to have that ability. While he didn't get to show for SA, he has been able to for Woodville West Torrens. He has played everywhere from a forward flank to a back flank, and also as a genuine midfielders. And he is a very handy player to have in the centre square, as he can use that strength of his to stand up in the contests and get the clearances. He'll probably always rotate between midfield and forward, but he should be dangerous in either position. AFL Comparison: Paul Chapman.

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/young-talent-time-a-2012-mock-draft.956131/

45. Sydney - Matthew McDonough (Forward)
Height: 180cm
Weight: 85kg
Club: Woodville West Torrens
Range: 30-late
Description: Nuggety small forward in the Porplyzia mould. Very strong kid for someone of his height and proved to be a very difficult match up at the champs kicking two bags of 6 goals and 3 in the final game. Not convinced his type will be the most highly sought after but I think he can continue to be a difficult match up at AFL level. Would like to see him play more midfield to finish off the year as everyone knows he is a more than capable forward and some versatility wouldn't go astray.

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/tigs-first-ever-mock-draft.960168/

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Re: Pick 42: Matthew McDonough
« Reply #50 on: November 24, 2012, 09:11:46 PM »
SEN had their draft expert on tonight going through the draft. He believes McDonough will need to lose some weight to reach his optimum weight for AFL. McDonough is a very good kick for goal and given his solid body he could make his AFL debut next year as he's physically ready-made.

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Re: Pick 42: Matthew McDonough
« Reply #51 on: November 24, 2012, 11:47:26 PM »
I'll trust our real recruiters, not he armchair ones ;) ;D
why???? our recruiters with these picks have been ordinary at the best.

In your opinion ;)
picks from 20 to 50/55  since  jackson has been in charge. basically 2nd and 3rd round picks   they have  been poor especially the ones that have had some time in the system. one only needs look who has been taken to see that.reckon the majority would agree with my opinion. hmm opinion isnt that what this whole site is about.
hughges, casserley, edwards, putt, post,up to 08.
after this point the later we go the harsher the call after all the 09 crop have had just 3 yrs. you tell me if your happy with this .
09 griffiths,astbury dea taylor, the talls are probably too early to call especially with the injuries. has to be concerns over dea and taylor is gone.
10 batchelor, macdonald. only just too early to call though macdonald is already gone.
11 elton, arnot. too early to call  especially elton.
12 mcintosh, mcdonough. way too early to call

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Re: Pick 42: Matthew McDonough
« Reply #52 on: November 25, 2012, 12:15:25 AM »
So since we've actually given FJ some decent resources ie. 2 extra recruiters rather than just off you go cover 8 states by yourself what your saying is it's too early to call? Dea was a project player and looked pretty good this year IMO.

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Re: Pick 42: Matthew McDonough
« Reply #53 on: November 25, 2012, 01:15:27 AM »
So since we've actually given FJ some decent resources ie. 2 extra recruiters rather than just off you go cover 8 states by yourself what your saying is it's too early to call? Dea was a project player and looked pretty good this year IMO.
not knocking dea have often said he has a bit to work with athletically. had big argument about where we tookhim in 09 was adamant we should have loaded up with talls that draft with picks 35 44 51 67 71, having taken martin/morabito at 3 and bastinac at 19 my pick.

at the end of the day im being reasonable. regardless of resources players of different types take different amounts of time to mature.  im only being fair in giving recent draft selections time to develop.
even so without going into a bag fest of young players there are concerns about al sorts of things with recent draftees.
on what we can judge that is players prior to 09/10 at a pinch jacksons record resources or not is very poor.
i often ask this we have reviews of players and coaches but who does the reviews and judge the overall performances of those in charge. at the end of the day weather people like it or not our success or lack thereof all comes down to jackson and cameron imo they hold the two most important positions that you can at any club. as a club we should be aiming for the absolute best and their performances say they are a long way of the mark.

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Re: Pick 42: Matthew McDonough
« Reply #54 on: November 25, 2012, 12:29:49 PM »
So since we've actually given FJ some decent resources ie. 2 extra recruiters rather than just off you go cover 8 states by yourself what your saying is it's too early to call? Dea was a project player and looked pretty good this year IMO.
not knocking dea have often said he has a bit to work with athletically. had big argument about where we tookhim in 09 was adamant we should have loaded up with talls that draft with picks 35 44 51 67 71, having taken martin/morabito at 3 and bastinac at 19 my pick.

at the end of the day im being reasonable. regardless of resources players of different types take different amounts of time to mature.  im only being fair in giving recent draft selections time to develop.
even so without going into a bag fest of young players there are concerns about al sorts of things with recent draftees.
on what we can judge that is players prior to 09/10 at a pinch jacksons record resources or not is very poor.
i often ask this we have reviews of players and coaches but who does the reviews and judge the overall performances of those in charge. at the end of the day weather people like it or not our success or lack thereof all comes down to jackson and cameron imo they hold the two most important positions that you can at any club. as a club we should be aiming for the absolute best and their performances say they are a long way of the mark.

It might seem like we took Dea early but Brissy and Collingwood were keen after us. Think Brissy had a pick before our next one.

We should have taken some more talls with those last 2 picks rather than those 2 dweebs but at least we took 3 that year (Griff/Astbury/Grimes)

Personally don't rate Bastinac that highly. Big tank but not a lot of skills for a guy who plays more outside than inside.

FJ's record isn't great prior to the '09 draft but he was under resourced and I guess at the least he didn't bust any first rounders in Riewoldt, Cotchin and Vickery. Then you've got Rance who has been very good for a pick 18 and Chaplin should free him up to improve more this year. Though he polarises opinion Edwards was good this year and he was good in 2010. Obviously there were some better options but at least it wasn't a bust.

Also, Jayden Post to me comes across as the sort of pick you'd make a mistake on with only 1 recruiter. Very talented player at junior level but doesn't have that mental toughness and I guess that was overlooked.

Now, I'm not saying he was great but he was ok considering the circumstances. We seem to be improving each year which is what you want.

One final point and it's something that has become clearer to me now Neeld has taken over Melbourne. The coach requests the type of player he wants and the recruiter then has to find them. How many skinny flankers/athletes did we have from Wallace era that ended up being busts?

Connors, Peterson, Collins, Putt then before Jackson you've got Tambling, Meyer, Polo, JON, Casserley.

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Re: Pick 42: Matthew McDonough
« Reply #55 on: November 25, 2012, 05:28:20 PM »
Dimma also said on draft night that he reminded him of a young Paul Chapman. If he turns out to be half as good, we have picked up a beauty.
Another comparison which comes to mind is Stewart Dew. Many thought he was prodigious but lazy, then once he moved to the Hawks late in his career he really showed what he could do under a decent coach.

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Re: Pick 42: Matthew McDonough
« Reply #56 on: December 03, 2012, 09:58:04 PM »
Impressive Matt finish
richmondfc.com.au
Mon 03 Dec, 2012


Coach of the SA under-18s, and SANFL high performance manager, Brenton Phillips, agreed with the Richmond recruiters’ assessment of McDonough’s ability.

“Matt is an elite kicker of the football and only needs a handful of possessions to end up with five goals,” Phillips said.

“He has an uncanny knack of being in the right place at the right time to find his possessions.”

Read the full article here: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/152016/default.aspx

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Re: Pick 42: Matthew McDonough
« Reply #57 on: December 03, 2012, 10:19:06 PM »
Impressive Matt finish
richmondfc.com.au
Mon 03 Dec, 2012


Coach of the SA under-18s, and SANFL high performance manager, Brenton Phillips, agreed with the Richmond recruiters’ assessment of McDonough’s ability.

“Matt is an elite kicker of the football and only needs a handful of possessions to end up with five goals,” Phillips said.

“He has an uncanny knack of being in the right place at the right time to find his possessions.”

Read the full article here: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/152016/default.aspx
so does that equate to him being a genuine mid.
sounds like say a didak type without the ability to find enough ball.

hmm if im looking for a 180cm mid im looking for pace, excellent dual sided skills, probably most important know how and  awareness definately motor and an inate ability to find enough of the ball weather thats inside or outside or both. yep we needed mids im sorry i have to question if we got one.
with mcintosh having questions about him being a genuine mid one has to ask why not at least one of these picks being a genuine mid.

they sugar coat everything they went in openly stating what we need and when we come out with what we didnt really need they spin it. instead of saying oh but yeah we took potential mids why not just yeah well we took best available. i hate it when they try to treat us lioke fools.

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Re: Pick 42: Matthew McDonough
« Reply #58 on: December 03, 2012, 11:14:53 PM »
so who are the "genuine" mids they overlooked?

I'm assuming there must have been someone overlooked who has more than a couple of near 40 possession games?
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Re: Pick 42: Matthew McDonough
« Reply #59 on: December 04, 2012, 12:17:25 AM »
so who are the "genuine" mids they overlooked?

I'm assuming there must have been someone overlooked who has more than a couple of near 40 possession games?
:lol

I actually had a look for genuine mids that went after him in the draft. There is zero, zilch, nil whatever else you want to say. Certainly no one who won as much of the footy as McDonough when played as a mid, nor as damaging elsewhere on the ground, nor having the dual sided skills of McDonough.