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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #1710 on: August 21, 2013, 05:43:05 PM »
beautiful day today and a super day for AFL Football. Today we see the Essendon begin its journey into a 50 year depression. They are finished as a footy club. No sponsor (who isnt a essendon supporter) will give these morons money. The AFL will screw them in financial penalties and draft penalties- Im thinking at least 3 years possibly 5 years. Also we as a club need to start working on getting a new Dreamtime Game partner, we cant be associated with Essendon in that Game, I would offer this game to Carlton meaning we would lose R1 one, but on the proviso that we replace Essendon in the Anzac Day Game vs Collingwood. Screw you Essendon. Youre Finished.

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« Reply #1711 on: August 21, 2013, 06:14:55 PM »
dreamtime at the g with the swans
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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #1712 on: August 21, 2013, 06:19:49 PM »
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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #1713 on: August 21, 2013, 06:31:48 PM »
Dreamtime @ the G should be RFC Vs Tassie Devils.

re The EFC -
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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #1714 on: August 21, 2013, 07:04:19 PM »
Dreamtime @ the G should be RFC Vs Tassie Devils.

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #1715 on: August 21, 2013, 07:48:20 PM »
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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #1716 on: August 21, 2013, 08:30:27 PM »
Matt Finnis of the AFLPA didn't mince his words  :clapping

AFLPA boss dismayed by Dons injection practices

By Peter Ryan
afl.com.au
6:18pm AEST Wednesday, August 21, 2013


AFL Players' Association boss Matt Finnis has slammed Essendon, saying that if its players escape negative health effects after being part of the club's supplement program, it will be more due to good luck than good management.

Finnis said after reading ASADA's interim report he could not see how Essendon could be certain that no player's health was put at risk by the supplements program in 2011 and 2012.

"I will be urgently seeking the medical advice from the club, which provides the basis for this position," Finnis said.

Finnis said the AFLPA had no tolerance for any conduct that compromised the club's duty of care to its players.

"It is shocking to see that the concerns of health professionals can be ignored in a club that seemed intent on pushing the boundaries regardless of their potential impact," Finnis said.

He said the issues raised in Dr Bruce Reid's letter to the club – which was included in the AFL's grounds for laying the charges – went to the heart of the AFLPA's concerns.

"The injecting of players in the absence of medical supervision; the administering of drugs to players without prescription or approval of the club doctor; the use of drugs which are not approved for human use and substances which are specifically designed for treating ailments not related to athletic performance let alone the evolution of a culture of supplement taking where an experienced club doctor feels he is letting the club down by not automatically approving these things," Finnis said. 

"These are all things that I never expected to see in our sport."

Finnis said he was also worried about communications being made to players, their families and the general public.

"I have been concerned that some of the messages are not commensurate with the seriousness of the issues at hand," Finnis said.

"Out of respect of the club we have sought the opportunity to better understand their perspective and look forward to that prospect."

Finnis was in no mood to mince words as he stated clearly the Association's position.

He said the issue was much broader than the legality or otherwise of substances such as AOD-9604, which WADA declared was banned in May,

Finnis said the issue was about protecting player welfare and that the most basic right for players was to expect a safe workplace.   

"My overwhelming reaction to this is simple: This must never happen again," he said.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-08-21/never-again-says-finnis

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #1717 on: August 21, 2013, 08:35:37 PM »
What i would advise Hird to use as his final statement ;

“In a word, I was too cowardly to do what I knew to be right, as I had been too cowardly to avoid doing what I knew to be wrong.”
re The EFC -
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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #1718 on: August 21, 2013, 08:37:14 PM »
Never been a great fan of Matt Finnis but his repsonse was another whack to the EFC

Well done sir  :clapping  ;D
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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #1719 on: August 21, 2013, 08:44:15 PM »
Essendon if you remember requested this investigation  :clapping
James is now in the unfortunate position of destroying his club by remaining in the job.
Imagine how much easier efc's negotiations with HQ would have been if Jimmy offered to stand himself down for the remainder of their wretched season.
Hird could have given his career a fighting chance and it would not have harmed his PR status if he 'took one for the team' today. But no.
Hird has hired some of the best legal and PR help that money can buy, but they didn't read the state of play in the biggest theatre in town. The way the AFL presented the warnings to Hird from both Reid (email) and Corcoran (SMS) was particularly nasty  :lol
Yes his QC might achieve a more palatable outcome for him at the supreme court, he might even eventually topple Demetriou, but he lost the war today, that report paints him to be a maniacal peptide freak with a plan for 25,000 injections into 38 players!

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #1720 on: August 21, 2013, 09:34:11 PM »
Remember what your PR guru tells you James

www.youtube.com/watch?v=vn_PSJsl0LQ

James is now in the unfortunate position of destroying his club by remaining in the job.

Exactly the state of play.

But it seems James would rather kill his club than jeopardise himself.

Stunning.
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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #1721 on: August 21, 2013, 09:44:25 PM »
Everyone turning on Essendon  :thumbsup

ASADA denies AOD-9604 was ever approved

By Nick Bowen
afl.com.au
Wednesday, August 21, 2013


ASADA has refuted reports it advised parties to the Essendon supplements investigation that anti-obesity drug AOD-9604 was not a banned substance.

In written advice to the AFL on Wednesday, ASADA CEO Aurora Andruska said AOD-9604 was a banned substance under the WADA code and reiterated that ASADA had never advised any party otherwise.

"AOD-9604 is not approved for human use and logically it couldn't be considered safe to use," Andruska said.

"ASADA reiterates that at no point has it advised any party that AOD-9604 was permitted in sport, and our advice to the sporting community has always been consistent with WADA."

ASADA's advice followed comments from sports medicine specialist Andrew Garnham on Fox Footy's AFL 360 program that ASADA had advised him in February 2013 that AOD-9064 was not a banned substance.

Garnham, a former member of an AFL Victoria Anti-Doping Tribunal, is now working as a consultant with Essendon.

AFL General Counsel Andrew Dillon said on Wednesday ASADA's advice was consistent with a WADA statement in April.

"When the Australian Crime Commission report was released in February this year, the report indicated AOD-9604 was not a banned substance. The AFL discussed this at the time with the Essendon FC," Dillon said.

"On April 22 this year, WADA indicated in a statement that AOD-9604 was a banned substance still under pre-clinical and clinical development and that it had not been approved for therapeutic use by any government health authority in the world.

"ASADA advised the AFL their position was consistent with WADA. The AFL has consistently acknowledged the uncertainty concerning the status of AOD-9604.

"The AFL has worked diligently with ASADA to get clarification on the status of AOD 9604 for the purposes of the Essendon investigation."

Dillon reiterated infraction notices could still be issued against Essendon players as the AFL-ASADA investigation into the Bombers' 2012 supplements program continued.

The AFL said Garnham's advisory role with Essendon meant he was now ineligible to sit on the AFL Anti-Doping Tribunal should it be required to hear the matter.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-08-21/aod9604-never-permitted

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #1722 on: August 21, 2013, 09:44:56 PM »
Remember what your PR guru tells you James

www.youtube.com/watch?v=vn_PSJsl0LQ

James is now in the unfortunate position of destroying his club by remaining in the job.

Exactly the state of play.

But it seems James would rather kill his club than jeopardise himself.

Stunning.

no just his club http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/james-hird-to-sue-over-afl-ambush-20130821-2sbrw.html

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #1723 on: August 21, 2013, 09:47:49 PM »
Dons rejected penalties

    Jake Niall
    The Age
    August 21, 2013


The AFL wanted Essendon to accept a series of penalties which included exclusion from the 2013 finals, the loss of draft picks for two years, a fine of more than $2.5 million and a suspension of 12 months for coach James Hird.

But the club, incensed by the AFL's release of highly detailed and personal information in the extraordinarily detailed charges laid against the club on Tuesday, is intent on fighting the penalties of the scale proposed, believing the package excessive, with Hird unwilling to accept a 12-month suspension.

The Dons also have placed a higher premium on draft picks than the finals, believing the loss of first- and second-round picks for two seasons would be potentially crippling. Central to the disagreement over penalties has been Hird's unwillingness to suffer a penalty that would imply that he supported the inadvertent doping of players.

Fairfax Media understands that Essendon, under the leadership of chairman Paul Little, was willing to entertain the possibility of giving ground on missing the finals this year, without accepting that the club had cheated or systematically doped. Essendon was willing to acknowledge - and receive punishments - for its governance failures, but, as Little suggested, will resist a sentence that it believes out of proportion when no doping charges have been proven or infraction notices issued.

Under the penalties discussed by the AFL and Essendon, it understood that the club also faced suspensions for Dr Bruce Reid and football operations chief Danny Corcoran, but that Mark Thompson was facing only a fine.

The AFL proposed that Essendon lose its first- and second-round draft choices this year and in 2014 - a penalty the club now considers excessive, given that the league also wanted it to miss finals and for three of its four senior staffers to be suspended, with Hird receiving the biggest penalty.

Hird would be out of contract when the proposed suspension ceased, having joined the club as senior coach on a four-year deal.

Sources said the penalties offered - and which were being discussed on Tuesday night, before the release of charges against Essendon, Hird, Reid, Corcoran and Thompson - were more detailed, but that the essence of them was loss of draft picks and premiership points, putting them out of this year's finals and a significant fine. The Bombers could be under financial pressure as a result of the scandal if members and/or sponsors leave, plus the legal and other costs incurred.

Essendon is incensed that the AFL's charges detailed private information.

Little, despite his fighting words, has shown a willingness to negotiate with the AFL, but the release of the charges - and particularly the specific nature of allegations - has raised the temperature significantly.

The AFL is braced for a legal response from Essendon, which may seek to challenge the jurisdiction of the AFL Commission. Essendon does not believe the AFL and Andrew Demetriou have followed due processes, with Hird having called for an independent panel to hear his case rather than the AFL's governing body.

Essendon would be mindful of the catastrophic impact losing draft picks had on Carlton in 2002 when the Blues were punished for cheating the salary cap.

It is believed the AFL has not proposed that Essendon would be prevented from trading back into the draft - via the trading of players - a critical detail. The club would not be restricted from signing free agents either.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/dons-rejected-penalties-20130821-2sbsq.html#ixzz2cbT6YSIu

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #1724 on: August 21, 2013, 09:50:12 PM »
The AFL's next offer should be to reduce the club penalties marginally but increase Hird's punishment by the same amount-and see if they can drive a wedge between the board and the highly paid Hird.