Essendon face AFL probe/Players found Guilty by CAS

[WilliamPowell]

Reading it now, up to page 8 and it is damning

Also, the Age have found the Dr Reid's letter to Jimmy - it is almost more damning than the AFL thing. 

[WilliamPowell]

Dr Bruce Reid wrote to Hird about supplements 'problems'

DateAugust 21, 2013 - 1:45PM
Richard Baker, Nick McKenzie

Fairfax Media has obtained the full contents of the letter Dr Reid wrote to Hird and then assistant coach Paul Hamilton. It reveals that Dr Reid had major concerns about the sports science program being run at the club by Stephen Dank.

The full letter states:

Dear James/Paul

I have some fundamental problems being club doctor at present. This particularly applies to the administration of supplements. Although we have been giving supplements for approximately three months, despite repeated requests as to exactly what we are giving our players and the literature related to this, have at no time been given that until last Sunday [15 January 2012]. Last week the players were given subcutaneous injections, not by myself, and I had no idea that this was happening and also what drug was involved.

It appears to me that in Sydney with Rugby League the clubs do not answer to the governing body (e.g. A.F.L.). It seems that their whole culture is based on trying to beat the system as are close to the edge as one can. It is my belief in A.F.L. that we should be winning flags by keeping a drug free culture.

It is all very well to say this is not banned and that is not banned but for example, the injection that we have given our players subcutaneously, was a drug called AOD/9604, is an Oligomeric Peptide. This drug is derived from the growth hormone. This molecule has been constructed so it has removed what we call IGF1, which is part of the growth hormone that causes muscle and organ growth and bone length and photosynthesis.

It is at the moment used for fat metabolism but also bone strength in children and may have some side effects that may be beneficial in bone growth. This to me just seem ludicrous at this stage where the only trials I have got are on how to lost weight and fat around the abdomen.

If we are resorting to deliver this altered growth hormone molecule, I think we are playing at the edge and this will read extremely badly in the press for our club and for the benefits and also for side effects that are not known in the long term, I have trouble with all these drugs.

I am still not sure whether AOD/9604 is approved by the drug authorities in Australia at this stage. Just because it is not classified as illegal, doesn't mean that it can be used freely in the community, it cannot. The other interesting thing about AOD/9604, is that its market in America is in body builders. This also should raise a red flag if we are worried about perception.

When it comes to Actovegin, this has been used around the world for many years. There is some flimsy evidence that it may help in speeding up the healing of tendons when they are damaged, though after speaking to radiologists, the recent opinion is that platelets and one's own blood, probably does a better job. We are claiming that we should use it as a recovery agent. To me it seems ludicrous that a few mls of calf's blood spun down, is going to give you a concentration of growth factors and other factors that would speed up recovery.

I am very frustrated by this and now feel I am letting the club down by not automatically approving of these things. I need to collect my thoughts as these drugs have been given without my knowledge.

I am sure Steve Danks believes that what we are doing is totally ethical and legal, however, one wonders whether if you take a long stance and look at this from a distance, whether you would want your children being injected with a derivative hormone that is not free to the community and whether calf's blood, that has been used for many years and is still doubted by most doctors, is worth pursuing.

Kind Regards

Dr. Bruce Reid

M.B.B.S.

Senior Medical Officer

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/dr-bruce-reid-wrote-to-hird-about-supplements-problems-20130821-2sasc.html#ixzz2cZfLUUWy

[Judge Roughneck]

[tigs2011]

Big boy McEvoy over that Dr.Reid letter.

[WilliamPowell]

Not quite sure how Essendon can worm their way out of this

Just finished reading the 34 pages

OMG

You read bits of it and do this  , then you re-read it and go 

And I think a few folks owe Caro an apology, some of the things she said happened eg Jimmy being warned back in late 2011 by the AFL appear to be true - they are in the charge report.

And although Dr Reid's letter is damning re his concerns about the program in Feb 2012 I can now alsoo understand why he's been charged.

Nowhere to hide now Bombers, any fair minded person would demand the harshest possible penalties.

Shambolic, inept, irresponsible and disgraceful

[tigs2011]

Kudos to you WP. I got bored on page 1. 

[Judge Roughneck]

 



 

[gerkin greg]

STB

[WilliamPowell]

Kudos to you WP. I got bored on page 1. 

Page 1 is the key - says the Club failed in its duty of care regarding its players

But my god the stuff they've allegedly done is disgusting

Incompetant is another word that comes to mind

No wonder Jimmy's legal eagles didn't want it released

[wayne]

Not quite sure how Essendon can worm their way out of this

Nothing to worry about if you pop over the the Bumbers BF board 

[Judge Roughneck]

124. During the relevant period, the Club caused the following substances to be administered
to players at the Club:
(a) Actovegin;
(b) unspecified amino acids
(c) unspecified multi-vitamins;
(d) AOD-9604 creams;
(e) AOD-9604 injections;
(f) Cerebrolysin;
(g) Colostrum;

(h)
(i) Lactaway;
(j) Lube-all-plus;
(k) Melatonin;
(l) Melanotan II;
(m) TA-65;
(n) Thymosin Beta 4;
(o) Traumeel; and
(p) Tribulus

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Edited: Just notice that you had added things Bents in the areas that that are blacked out in the document. If it is blacked out then you cannot post it because they have been blacked out for legal reasons

[wayne]

[WilliamPowell]

Not quite sure how Essendon can worm their way out of this

Nothing to worry about if you pop over the the Bumbers BF board 

Nah I wouldn't be worried

Nothing to worry about when you give substances code names 

[wayne]

I can't believe Essendumb supporters.

They should be disgusted about the way their players were treated, but all they care about is that Hirdy is innocent and sporting a massive boner thanks to Melanotan II.

[Judge Roughneck]

I can't believe Essendumb supporters.

They should be disgusted about the way their players were treated, but all they care about is that Hirdy is innocent and sporting a massive boner thanks to Melanotan II.

makes suicide cults look normalish

deluded / cult-like mudaduckers