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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2295 on: December 15, 2013, 09:59:05 PM »
How does that resolve anything?  He still gets paid.  Adolph and his AFL cohorts have a very low level of credibility and treat everyone as complete fools and I can't wait to see the back of them for the good of the game.   :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead

Read between the lines Smokester. The payment issue was manufactured by Hird and Hird alone, for two reasons:-

To discredit the AFL and Demetreou.
To create a diversion before WADA hands down their penalties.

Discrediting the afl is what Hird and Essendon want everyone to focus on. And yes the afl  did stuff up to an extent on his payments by not closing of the loophole of Hird being paid out this year, however, all of this is completely the doings of Hird and Essendon.

Your theory is correct except for one thing Dooks, Adolph and his cronies signed off on this new deal.  So they are saying that they banned him from getting paid but to cover their butts they agreed to a complete payout in a lump sum.  Might have been Hird and Essendon's idea but it means the AFL had no intention of punishing Hird and rolled over completely.  Lies covering lies covering lies, deny deny deny.  Has the stamp of Adolph all over it.
The way I read it was, the AFL got verbal assurances from Essendon that Hird wouldn't be paid but Hird and co. are saying nothing was put in writing so the AFL can't stop him being paid. To try and save face all-round, Hird will now be paid a million in 2013 hoping this will go away. Problem is, it won't go away while possible infraction notices are still hanging over the heads of the Bomber players until at least February.
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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2296 on: December 15, 2013, 10:33:20 PM »
THE AFL has banned Essendon coach James Hird and suspended footy boss Danny Corcoran from attending the club's staff Christmas party.

Read more: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-bans-james-hird-and-danny-corcoran-from-essendon-christmas-party/story-fni5f6kv-1226783210711#ixzz2nSzemq7r
now theres a sanction that really hits hard  :whistle
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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2297 on: December 15, 2013, 10:48:00 PM »
THE AFL has banned Essendon coach James Hird and suspended footy boss Danny Corcoran from attending the club's staff Christmas party.

Read more: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-bans-james-hird-and-danny-corcoran-from-essendon-christmas-party/story-fni5f6kv-1226783210711#ixzz2nSzemq7r
now theres a sanction that really hits hard  :whistle
eff me.
Essendon will no longer need Hird party insurance  :eyebrow  :outtahere
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Essendon plan was to continue doping into 2013 (Age)
« Reply #2298 on: December 15, 2013, 11:41:13 PM »
Essendon plan was for doping into 2013

  Richard Baker and Nick McKenzie
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    December 16, 2013



Internal Essendon communications suggest key staff hoped to continue the supplements program into 2013 and reveal a plan to inject players with an anti-dementia drug until grand final day 2012, despite previous demands for the jabs to stop.

The email correspondence gives fresh insights into the club's fascination with supplements and the involvement of key figures, including James Hird and Danny Corcoran, in a program Essendon previously tried to tie to the actions of ''rogue'' staff in Stephen Dank and Dean Robinson.

The revelation comes after World Anti-Doping Agency head John Fahey last week declared his belief that Essendon players would receive infraction notices.

On June 15, 2012, Essendon's then high-performance boss Dean Robinson emailed Hird, senior assistant coach Mark Thompson, football chief Danny Corcoran, doctor Bruce Reid and other senior officials a document titled Supplements till GF 2012.

Under Robinson's plan, players were to receive 16 supplements orally or via injections during the week and on game day. One of the drugs to be injected fortnightly two days before a game was the anti-dementia drug Cerebrolysin.

Essendon has never provided a rationale for why this drug, which is being reviewed by WADA to determine whether it should be banned, was beneficial for players. The drug is not approved for use by Australian regulators.

Robinson's plan was sent to the leaders of the club's coaching,

football and medical departments despite Dr Reid and Thompson previously raising strong objections to the ongoing injection of players.

Club documents show that eight days before Robinson's email, South Yarra chiropractor Mal Hooper provided Essendon's then sports scientist Stephen Dank with pages of information on Cerebrolysin and an anti-Parkinson's disease drug, apomorphine, from their Austrian manufacturer.

Dr Reid and Thompson raised concerns in May 2012 when they learned players were being taken to Dr Hooper's clinic and injected with unknown substances, with Thompson instructing Dank to stop the injections.

The documents also reveal that suspended football chief Corcoran had been speaking with South Yarra compounding pharmacist Nima Alavi in October last year about his continuing his assistance to Essendon.

In an October 11, 2012, email to Robinson, Corcoran wrote: ''Thanks Dean … HyperMed is now done and dusted! I spoke with Nima and I reckon he can help down the track!!''

Alavi supplied Dank with a range of supplements in 2011 and 2012, including several that are banned for use in athletes by the World Anti-Doping Agency.

Robinson, who is suing Essendon over his sacking earlier this year, was also planning to meet former Hawthorn premiership player Trent Croad in the 2012 spring to discuss the supply of supplements for the 2013 pre-season.

At this time, Croad was working closely with Alavi and South Yarra anti-ageing doctor Robin Willcourt in a business venture sourcing and supplying peptides.

Another email obtained by Fairfax Media from November 2011 shows Dank's Sydney peptide business partner Ed Van Spanje ordering a batch of six WADA-banned substances, including CJC-1295, Thymosin and Melanotan II, from Alavi.

Dank is copied in on the email at his Essendon Football Club and private email addresses.

Three weeks after this email was sent, Essendon went to the Gold Coast on a pre-season training camp. It was there that convicted drug trafficker and nutrition specialist Shane Charter met Hird and Dank to discuss supplements.

Charter, who worked with Hird on nutrition during his playing days and has become a key witness for the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority, has said the coach stressed that any supplements must be legal and not harmful to players.

ASADA's interim report stated that Hird received Melanotan II from Dank and suffered an adverse reaction after injecting it.

There is no evidence to suggest Essendon players received the majority of substances that Van Spanje and Dank ordered from Alavi before the 2011 Gold Coast trip.

However, ASADA's interim report mounts a strong circumstantial case that some Essendon players were given Thymosin Beta-4, which is banned by WADA.

Other documents show at least one Essendon player had blood tests performed at the request of Sydney doctor Ijaz Khan, who reportedly claims in court documents to have injected suspended rugby league winger Sandor Earl with WADA-banned substance CJC-1295 he believed to have been given to the player by Dank.

Fairfax Media believes Dr Khan did not personally consult the Essendon player for whom he ordered blood tests.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/essendon-plan-was-for-doping-into-2013-20131215-2zfd1.html

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2301 on: December 17, 2013, 08:15:11 AM »
Lies covering lies covering lies, deny deny deny.

That is the AFL industry mantra

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Dons still braced for ASADA infractions as NRL bite Cronulla with $1m fine (afl)
« Reply #2302 on: December 17, 2013, 02:33:39 PM »
Dons still braced for ASADA infractions as NRL bites Cronulla

Adam McNicol 
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December 17, 2013



ESSENDON captain Jobe Watson admits he and his teammates remain concerned that they might receive infraction notices from ASADA.

Speaking after he arrived back in Melbourne following a pre-season training camp in the United States, Watson told Fox Sports: "We understand that from the day this started, back in February, that there was a chance of that happening.

"It's an ongoing thing and nothing's changed."

Watson made his comments only 12 hours after Bombers president Paul Little told the club's annual general meeting he was confident the players  did not ingest any banned substances.

Back in June, however, Watson told Fox Sports' On The Couch program that he believed he had taken AOD-9604, which is banned by the World Anti-Doping Authority.

The continued speculation over Essendon's situation has come on the same day as the National Rugby League's announcement of proposed penalties for the Cronulla Sharks, who have been embroiled in their own supplements saga this year.

The Sharks are facing a $1 million fine, while their coach, Shane Flanagan, is likely to be banned for next season.

"The club has breached the NRL code of conduct through a serious failure to safeguard the health and safety of its players," NRL chief executive Dave Smith said. 

PUNISHMENTS PROPOSED FOR CRONULLA BY THE NRL

- $1 million fine, $400,000 suspended if certain conditions are met.

- Senior coach Shane Flanagan suspended for 12 months (the club has to choice to decide whether to pay him during the suspension). Suspension can be reduced to nine months if Flanagan completes a training program set out by the NRL.

- Former strength and conditioning coach Trent Elkin to be deregistered.

PUNISHMENTS HANDED DOWN TO ESSENDON BY THE AFL

-  $2 million fine

- Senior coach James Hird suspended for 12 months on full pay (payments made in advance so he is not receiving money in 2014)

- Football manager Danny Corcoran banned for six months

- Senior assistant coach Mark Thompson fined $30,000

- Banned from the first two rounds of the 2013 and 2014 NAB AFL Drafts

- Banned from competing in 2013 finals series

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-12-17/dons-braced-sharks-stung

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2303 on: December 17, 2013, 02:37:21 PM »
Just hope the NRL remember to put in Flanagan's paperwork that he isn't to be paid while suspended or Tania Hird will be onto them  ;D
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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2304 on: December 18, 2013, 02:56:27 PM »
Essendon captain Jobe Watson has returned from a pre-season training camp in the US to familiar questions from reporters and admits the threat of infraction notices from ASADA is still real.

''We understand that from the day this started, back in February, there was a chance of that happening,'' he told Fox Sports.

''It's an ongoing thing and nothing's changed.''

Watson told Fox Sports' On the Couch last June he believed he had taken AOD-9604, which is banned by the World Anti-Doping Agency.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/jobe-watson-still-sweating-on-possible-asada-infraction-notice-20131217-2zjcp.html#ixzz2nnNG1kxy


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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2305 on: December 18, 2013, 07:42:59 PM »
So, Golden Boy gets $1,000,000 paid in a lump sum in advance for taking a 12 month holiday, a $120,000 MBA course in the UK and a ban on attending the Bummers unofficial Xmas party as his punishment.

Bomber Thompson gets a $30,000 fine as his punishment.

Am I wrong in thinking that Bomber T comes off worse in this deal?

I wonder if Golden Boy will donate part of his first month's bank interest on his $1 mil to help Bomber out?

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2306 on: December 19, 2013, 08:46:49 AM »
Bombergate: the gift that keeps on giving

Tom Heenan

Written on Wednesday, 18 December 2013 14:24

Bombergate has given us so much this year.

But as Christmas approaches, and you think the best of it is over, Bombergate just keeps on giving more.

Last week it was Paul Little's turn. Fronting the cameras last Friday evening, the Bomber president told media that James Hird's pay dispute had been "resolved" to the AFL and Essendon's "satisfaction."

According to Little, Hird would not be paid during the 2014 season. This would comply with the "implied terms of the AFL sanctions" that Hird does not receive a wage for a 12 month period. Instead, Hird would be paid "in advance to cover the 2014 year consistent with [his] employment contract obligations."

What a mind-boggling turnaround!

Before Little's announcement, the AFL had maintained that Hird should not be paid during his suspension. Demetriou's position has now obviously changed, because Hird under the new deal is to be paid "in advance." Consequently, Hird will not suffer any financial penalty for his crimes – whatever they may be.

Little was at it again at the Essendon AGM, defending Hird's pay deal and declaring the old coach would be welcomed back at the end of his suspension.

As Hird looked on, Little acknowledged the club had used "inappropriate" procedures and "exposed ... players to unacceptable risks." But he assured members Essendon had overhauled its medical protocols and governance, and that there would be no repeat of the supplement saga.

What a staggering admission by Little and without any hint of self-irony!

Here was Little condemning a system introduced on Hird's watch. Yet Hird has been rewarded for his mal-administration of the system with a $750,000 Christmas lump-sum, and an assurance that he's back in the coach's box in August.

Little's statement doesn't inspire any confidence in the current administration of football. Few of the major players in this saga have displayed any faith in the integrity of the AFL's investigation or its findings.

Otherwise, Mark Thompson would not be coaching in 2014 and Hird would not be receiving an unexpected lump sum in his Christmas stocking.

Little was not the only club president having a say on Bombergate last week. In an extraordinary outburst, the Bulldogs' Peter Gordon told the ABC's Sally Warhaft the media was to blame for stoking the flames of Bombergate.

What a load of near-Nixonesque nonsense!

Gordon's claim is akin to blaming Woodward and Bernstein for Watergate. Nixon did it silly, not the journos! Like the AFL and Gordon, Nixon wanted to protect the brand.

Thankfully ASADA is nearing the end of its protracted investigation, so we may eventually get clarification of what went on at Essendon. If the recent statement by the outgoing head of WADA, John Fahey, is any indication, the investigation's findings will not be good for the Bombers.

Fahey has constantly reiterated that the AFL's investigation was entirely separate from ASADA's, and that it is only a matter of time before Essendon players receive infraction notices.

Fahey also suggested that Hird will be in ASADA's sights. As Fahey stated, Hird oversaw a regimen of "40,000-plus injections ... most of which we know [are] not approved for human consumption." ASADA will not treat this tardy track record as offhandedly as the AFL or Essendon.

Fahey's remarks brought a sharp rebuttal from Little. He told the Essendon AGM that the allegations were "unsettling and unfounded", and that neither the AFL nor Bombers had received any information of pending infraction notices.

The rebuttal came at a bad time for the Bomber president. The next day The Age detailed allegations of players being administered anti-dementia and anti-Parkinson disease drugs for no apparent reason.

This is no media beat-up, but a tragic farce in which a club seems to have played hard and loose with the rules and the welfare of its players.

Hird deserves the opportunity to put his side of the story. But given what is now on the public record, he should not coach again at Essendon or elsewhere. Not only is he damaged goods but, as Fahey indicated in early November, Hird may be dealt with under the ASADA code. If so, he could face a hefty suspension from the game.

No doubt there is more to come on the Bombergate front. Despite the assurances of Little and the AFL, it is far from resolved to everyone's "satisfaction."

Bombergate has already given us so much, and it will continue to do so well into 2014.

(Dr Tom Heenan lectures in sport and Australian Studies at Monash University.)

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2307 on: December 19, 2013, 09:37:27 AM »
ah, Bumber supporters, gotta love 'em.

A friends response to this - 'Essendon should do whatever it takes in 2014, but this time don't get caught..'

Caught for what? Essendon approached the AFL in the first place.  :lol Not charged with any offences apart from "bringing the game into disrepute"- cop out. That was the only thing that the AFL could have stick. The media etc were crying for blood for a charge, any charge. The AFL were pressured to do something.
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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2308 on: December 19, 2013, 10:15:11 AM »
Nothing but lemmings following the club off the cliff.

When their members donate to the club do they have to nominate if it's for Tullamarine or Turd's holiday?

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2309 on: December 19, 2013, 05:23:30 PM »
Nothing but lemmings following the club off the cliff.

When their members donate to the club do they have to nominate if it's for Tullamarine or Turd's holiday?
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