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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2280 on: December 13, 2013, 11:33:50 AM »
No way can Hird come back to coach now. The game can't afford to has this continual self-indulgent crap from Hird and Essendon hanging over it for years to come. Whatever happened to bringing the game into disrepute.
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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2281 on: December 13, 2013, 02:37:51 PM »
The only person to be found guilty of bringing the game into disrepute twice.
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John Fahey says Dons charges 'only a matter of when' (afl site)
« Reply #2282 on: December 13, 2013, 03:16:12 PM »
John Fahey says Dons charges 'only a matter of when'

Michael Whiting 
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December 13, 2013 2:39 PM


ESSENDON will be served drug infraction notices – "it's only a matter of when" – according to World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) president John Fahey.

In a stunning statement to the Australian Financial Review, Fahey said he expected the Australian Sports Anti-Drug Authority to clamp down on the Bombers.

He also took a swing at the Victorian government, calling on WorkSafe Victoria to investigate Essendon more stringently, and called the AFL a "sacred cow".

"I expect there will be several charges by ASADA. It’s only a matter of when," Fahey told AFR.

Essendon has already been investigated by the AFL and ASADA for its use of supplements in 2011-12.

The club was fined, coach James Hird stood down for 12 months, football manager Danny Corcoran suspended and then assistant coach Mark Thompson also fined.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-12-13/bombers-charges-imminent-fahey


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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2284 on: December 13, 2013, 03:28:33 PM »
Always said folks needed to be patient  ;D
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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2285 on: December 13, 2013, 03:31:41 PM »
Always said folks needed to be patient  ;D

not really

efc are a delusional cult run by a 800million dollar man and worship the The only person to be found guilty of bringing the game into disrepute twice.

the AFL will do everything in its power to get efc off scot free 'for the good of the game' $$

there is a very real possibility corruption will win again

if you look at politics and sport in the west and this country in general there is alot of corruption

no point celebrating until justice is done

death to essendon

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2286 on: December 13, 2013, 10:03:04 PM »
There's been a resolution to the james Hird pay dispute.


He's going to be paid a 1 million dollar lump sum in advance under the 2013 banner,  so technically hes NOT being paid IN 2014  :lol :lol :lol

  http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/james-hird-will-be-paid-his-1-million-annual-salary-in-a-lump-sum/story-fni5f6kv-1226782811551

At what point do these clowns realise that the old antiquated  philosophy of deny deny deny and brand protection no longer works like it used to? These days, the average punter has a lot more "resources" at their disposal to find out what's really transpiring. I think most people would appreciate and respect the code a lot more if they stopped passing the average Joe as a dill and were a bit more forthright and actually served justice when required... IE the Melbourne non tanking affair and this saga. Everyone knows it happened but it "didn't"  ::)

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2287 on: December 14, 2013, 01:23:58 AM »
So even though the club made a loss they're still giving him a million to walk his dogs? I think I'm going to puke.

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2288 on: December 14, 2013, 09:12:40 AM »
How does that resolve anything?  He still gets paid.  Adolph and his AFL cohorts have a very low level of credibility and treat everyone as complete fools and I can't wait to see the back of them for the good of the game.   :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2289 on: December 14, 2013, 11:53:30 AM »
How does that resolve anything?  He still gets paid.  Adolph and his AFL cohorts have a very low level of credibility and treat everyone as complete fools and I can't wait to see the back of them for the good of the game.   :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead

Read between the lines Smokester. The payment issue was manufactured by Hird and Hird alone, for two reasons:-

To discredit the AFL and Demetreou.
To create a diversion before WADA hands down their penalties.

Discrediting the afl is what Hird and Essendon want everyone to focus on. And yes the afl  did stuff up to an extent on his payments by not closing of the loophole of Hird being paid out this year, however, all of this is completely the doings of Hird and Essendon.

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2290 on: December 14, 2013, 04:20:00 PM »
Very good editorial by none other than Patrick Smith

Reckon he's nailed it  :clapping
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A million bucks for Hird to twiddle his thumbs - quite a punishment

PATRICK SMITH
THE AUSTRALIAN
DECEMBER 14, 2013 12:00AM

BACK in February when the horror of Essendon's 2012 season was made public, coach James Hird prescribed his own penalty when he said he took full responsibility for what had happened at the club. He was pulling our leg.

If Hird were true to his word, true to the principles that made him make that promise, then he would not be accepting any money for season 2014. But instead, even after agreeing his actions -- or lack of -- contributed to Essendon bringing the game of AFL football into disrepute, Hird will receive $1 million to twiddle his coaching thumbs next season. A million in advance to do nothing. If only every one of us could have such punishment meted out to us for our indiscretions.

Hird is holding his club to a heavy, most selfish ransom. Forcing the Bombers to honour a contract that somehow he had had increased by two years in the final hours of the settlement reached in August. Hird is playing the club, its officials and fans for fools. It is obvious now that Hird had no intention of ever taking responsibility for his part in a coaching regime that saw Essendon players arbitrarily given some drugs that were in breach of ASADA rules, not recommended for human consumption and others that the club still has no idea of their legality or quality.

To underline how outrageous the outcome is for Essendon, consider this: the club is aggressively seeking donations for its new training centre while paying Hird a million to work on his tan.

How Essendon president Paul Little will explain this to his members -- even to his staff -- will be interesting to observe. Little has blown a million dollars at the very time the club is on its begging knees. He should tender his resignation immediately.

That is just one side of the story. Within the last handful of days AFL chief executive Andrew Demetriou said he knew and was assured that Essendon would not pay Hird during his one-year suspension. It turns out that Demetriou had no idea what was happening. For Hird, the money continued to roll in, only to avalanche in yesterday.

Just how Demetriou could have been so blindsided to what actually was happening with Hird, with Essendon or even with other AFL officials is unclear. But we can say categorically that it is humiliating personally for Demetriou and utterly embarrassing for the AFL executive and the commission.

Hird has been able to manipulate his club, its supporters and members and the competition. He might claim this as a victory but the callous way he has treated the club, the reckless way he has honoured the responsibilities as coach, paints him as a man with an ego that blurs him from what is fair and appropriate. He will prove the biggest moral loser from this saga even if he has been allowed to pocket a million for mucking up his coaching obligations so flippantly.

Nonetheless, the damage Hird has done to the AFL is brutal. Demetriou is now seen as a man who cannot deliver what he trumpets. AFL Commission chairman Mike Fitzpatrick is seen as so arrogant he sought to find a settlement independent of the executive team he and his fellow commissioners had charged to facilitate.

Fitzpatrick worked with the chairman of the Australian Sports Commission John Wylie in the shadows to find common ground with Little. This triumvirate of big boys not only made a great a mess of what was already a rabble but their actions made the league and its machinations look less transparent than ever.

It was the secretive doodlings of these three men that saw everybody bar Hird strangled by a list of inducements offered to the coach. One was that he would receive his pay while suspended. The ineptness of these dealings was matched only by the hubris that drips from the men who took part.

At least it brought a nice symmetry to the biggest scandal to rot away at the AFL's standing in the sporting community. It became a scandal when Hird and nearly everybody at Essendon had no idea what some members of staff were doing. And it has ended with Demetriou and others at AFL headquarters appearing to have no idea what their own representatives were up to.

Essendon has lost much. When the club went public with the knowledge that no one at the club could tell the parents of the club's footballers what drugs had been administered to their children, David Evans, as president, Ian Robson as chief executive and Hird, as coach, fronted the media.

Evans is gone after being undermined by insiders at the club. Robson stepped down - was pushed - because he was the club's senior executive and thus had to take responsibility for what had taken place at the club.

 And Hird will not coach Essendon next year, too busy counting his dollars, one to a million. Add to this a suspension to football manager Danny Corcoran, a heavy fine to assistant coach Mark Thompson, the sacking of sport science wild card Stephen Dank and the squeezing out of high-performance manager Dean Robinson and the size of the catastrophe that is Essendon is chilling.

But no less is the damage to the AFL. Especially to Fitzpatrick and Demetriou.

As chairman, Fitzpatrick has been negligent in not taking a more public role. This is the biggest moral crisis to ravage Australian football and he has barely uttered a sentence in public. Instead he whispered clandestinely to Wylie, a man whose judgment must also come under heavy scrutiny.

Demetriou might be mortally wounded. His declaration that he would happily pop into his grave knowing that Hird was not being paid for season 2014 was not his first blunder. He has been badly bruised by this controversy and this column's call on September 19 that he consider his position is only strengthened.

In the end Demetriou's biggest mistake was that he had not considered it possible a man of Hird's (previous) standing in football would not acknowledge the damage he had done and would continue to do to his club and to his sport.

Yesterday Hird made a million bucks at the same time he lost the last drop of his dignity, last dollop of respect.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/opinion/a-million-bucks-for-hird-to-twiddle-his-thumbs-quite-a-punishment/story-e6frg7uo-1226782818883#
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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2291 on: December 14, 2013, 04:48:08 PM »
You would think

Fahey wouldn't say infraction notice around the corner

 Unless had a whisper efc will be takes a whack

It'd br absent minded to assume the wada head doesn't communications with his underlings
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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2292 on: December 15, 2013, 03:17:40 AM »
THE AFL has banned Essendon coach James Hird and suspended footy boss Danny Corcoran from attending the club's staff Christmas party.

Read more: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-bans-james-hird-and-danny-corcoran-from-essendon-christmas-party/story-fni5f6kv-1226783210711#ixzz2nSzemq7r

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2293 on: December 15, 2013, 08:21:11 AM »
THE AFL has banned Essendon coach James Hird and suspended footy boss Danny Corcoran from attending the club's staff Christmas party.

Read more: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-bans-james-hird-and-danny-corcoran-from-essendon-christmas-party/story-fni5f6kv-1226783210711#ixzz2nSzemq7r

Wouldn't think the Bumbling Bombers could afford a Xmas Party now  ;D
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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2294 on: December 15, 2013, 09:50:49 AM »
How does that resolve anything?  He still gets paid.  Adolph and his AFL cohorts have a very low level of credibility and treat everyone as complete fools and I can't wait to see the back of them for the good of the game.   :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead

Read between the lines Smokester. The payment issue was manufactured by Hird and Hird alone, for two reasons:-

To discredit the AFL and Demetreou.
To create a diversion before WADA hands down their penalties.

Discrediting the afl is what Hird and Essendon want everyone to focus on. And yes the afl  did stuff up to an extent on his payments by not closing of the loophole of Hird being paid out this year, however, all of this is completely the doings of Hird and Essendon.

Your theory is correct except for one thing Dooks, Adolph and his cronies signed off on this new deal.  So they are saying that they banned him from getting paid but to cover their butts they agreed to a complete payout in a lump sum.  Might have been Hird and Essendon's idea but it means the AFL had no intention of punishing Hird and rolled over completely.  Lies covering lies covering lies, deny deny deny.  Has the stamp of Adolph all over it.