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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #885 on: July 16, 2013, 10:58:11 PM »
the fat lady is not singing yet dannybhoy.

ASADA is also investigating the possible use of other drugs which could be illegal or performance-enhancing.

But while it could be the smoking gun if proven by Essendon, ASADA was still maintaining last night it had never told a sporting body AOD-9604 was permitted.

Australian Crime Commission boss John Lawler confirmed last night that the policing body had been given advice by ASADA that the drug was not illegal under the S.2 anti-doping provision.

But ASADA said the drug was still illegal under the S.0 catch-all provision for banned substances not fit for human use.

That S.0 catch-all is the basis of WADA's concrete ruling that the drug is illegal for sport and will result in bans for those who use it.

ASADA's statement to Fox Footy stated: ''ASADA has not advised any party that AOD-9604 is permitted in sport. ASADA correctly advised ACC that AOD-9604 was not prohibited under S.2 of the WADA prohibited list, however made no reference to its status under S.0. There is no difference between the substances WADA and ASADA consider prohibited.''

WADA has consistently stated AOD-9604 was illegal from January 2011, with Essendon captain Jobe Watson admitting he believed he took the substance.

Even if ASADA exonerates or fails to prosecute Essendon players, WADA could come over the top with an appeal.


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Post the link Bents ......  http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-players-could-avoid-sanctions-over-alleged-peptide-use/story-fni5f6kv-1226680402347
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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #886 on: July 16, 2013, 11:11:01 PM »
Essendon players could avoid sanctions over alleged peptide use

    Jon Ralph, Mark Robinson
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    July 16, 2013 9:56PM



ESSENDON's players will not face ASADA sanction from its use of AOD-9604, it was claimed last night.

The club’s confidence the players will escape penalty stem from their knowledge that the anti-obesity drug was not banned in 2012.

It was claimed last night, and later confirmed by Essendon sources, the club inquired to anti-doping body ASADA about its players taking the drug in early 2012 and was told it was not a prohibited substance.

Former sports scientist Stephen Dank has also confirmed he spoke to ASADA about the drug.

Dank has also confirmed he administered the drug to Essendon players on the belief that it was safe for use.

Essendon has previously refused to comment on reports that a leading ASADA investigator told them on May 6 this year: ''I don't believe it (AOD-9604) should ever have been on the prohibited list.''

The Dons were allegedly told by ASADA the prospects of a prosecution for the use of AOD-9604 was ''very, very, very low''.

Essendon sources told the Herald Sun the statement by the lead investigator was made in front of a large collection of Essendon players and coaches.

The Herald Sun has previously put that allegation to ASADA, which declined to comment.

If true, the statements aired on AFL 360 would clear Essendon's players of use of AOD-9604.

But ASADA is also investigating the possible use of other drugs which could be illegal or performance-enhancing.

But while it could be the smoking gun if proven by Essendon, ASADA was still maintaining last night it had never told a sporting body AOD-9604 was permitted.

Australian Crime Commission boss John Lawler confirmed last night that the policing body had been given advice by ASADA that the drug was not illegal under the S.2 anti-doping provision.

But ASADA said the drug was still illegal under the S.0 catch-all provision for banned substances not fit for human use.

That S.0 catch-all is the basis of WADA's concrete ruling that the drug is illegal for sport and will result in bans for those who use it.

ASADA's statement to Fox Footy stated: ''ASADA has not advised any party that AOD-9604 is permitted in sport. ASADA correctly advised ACC that AOD-9604 was not prohibited under S.2 of the WADA prohibited list, however made no reference to its status under S.0. There is no difference between the substances WADA and ASADA consider prohibited.''

WADA has consistently stated AOD-9604 was illegal from January 2011, with Essendon captain Jobe Watson admitting he believed he took the substance.

Even if ASADA exonerates or fails to prosecute Essendon players, WADA could come over the top with an appeal.

But if Essendon was explicitly told by ASADA that it could take AOD-9604 before it started injecting players, the chances of suspensions are remote.

AFL chief executive Andrew Demetriou told the program last night he could not comment on the claims.

''All I will say is that there is some uncertainty around the status of AOD-9604 and what I don't want to do is pre-empt the outcome of the investigation. The public, the media, and the football world are demanding answers. They want to know, they should know and we are all very keen to get to the outcome of the ASADA investigation and that's when those questions will be answered, and I am not going to provide any more commentary than that.''

AFL 360 host Gerard Whateley was adamant Essendon players would escape penalty.

''Essendon players in my opinion will not receive infraction notices. If you are getting advice from the body you are told to report to that it is not prohibited, then I don't believe - as the chief investigator stated - that such a charge could be sustained.

''It's not a technicality. It runs right to the core of what this is all about. It wasn't a banned substance under definition in Australia in 2012 under the best advice you could get.''

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-players-could-avoid-sanctions-over-alleged-peptide-use/story-fni5f6kv-1226680402347

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #887 on: July 16, 2013, 11:19:22 PM »

Doesn't make it right though

Disgraceful that they are likely to get off, just disgraceful



Sums it up. They've taken it, it's prohibited, they should be banned. Not sure what Gerard said that has changed anything. Been reading they were told it was not prohibited under S2 since it began he just used a different tone and now people think it differently

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #888 on: July 16, 2013, 11:38:01 PM »
The fat lady has well and truly sing on this fantasy that most of us had where this would end up

It's over lads they have found a legal loophole which allows drugs in the AFL

AFL, like the Tanking debacle, will avoid a legal battle and just throw a fine their way. It will be big but chicken feed to a major player like them.

With Robson gone, possibly another their penalty will be seen to be completed

I prepared myself for a soft landing when Demetriou back flipped and defended the turd.

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« Reply #889 on: July 16, 2013, 11:51:39 PM »
But ASADA said the drug was still illegal under the S.0 catch-all provision for banned substances not fit for human use.

That S.0 catch-all is the basis of WADA's concrete ruling that the drug is illegal for sport and will result in bans for those who use it.

ASADA's statement to Fox Footy stated: ''ASADA has not advised any party that AOD-9604 is permitted in sport. ASADA correctly advised ACC that AOD-9604 was not prohibited under S.2 of the WADA prohibited list, however made no reference to its status under S.0. There is no difference between the substances WADA and ASADA consider prohibited.''
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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #890 on: July 16, 2013, 11:53:41 PM »
The fat lady has well and truly sing on this fantasy that most of us had where this would end up

It's over lads they have found a legal loophole which allows drugs in the AFL

AFL, like the Tanking debacle, will avoid a legal battle and just throw a fine their way. It will be big but chicken feed to a major player like them.

With Robson gone, possibly another their penalty will be seen to be completed

I prepared myself for a soft landing when the Cypriot c...back flipped and defended the turd.

Gerald Whetly is not God.

take what he says with a grain of salt.

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #892 on: July 17, 2013, 12:47:00 AM »
just read it  :shh
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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #893 on: July 17, 2013, 01:09:00 AM »
Seriously, the EFC Is screwed-tainted for life and James Hird...well, it's only going to get worse once the doping issue hits, with Caro holding an ace that will totally discredit him on a personal level, if there was any room left to do so.  :thumbsup
Stupid married men. ::)
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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #894 on: July 17, 2013, 06:56:55 AM »
Gotta love Caro

Like a dog with a bone when it comes to the golden haired boy; Jimmy and giving him whacks  :clapping :clapping
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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #895 on: July 17, 2013, 08:29:30 AM »
I'm glad she doesn't hate my guts. Lol.
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« Reply #896 on: July 17, 2013, 11:39:44 AM »
I too was walking the dog and actually saw dimwit flog himself at the end of the show through the window

this disturbed me

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #897 on: July 17, 2013, 12:28:05 PM »
I too was walking the dog and actually saw dimwit flog himself at the end of the show through the window

this disturbed me

lmfao. HAHAHA thats funny G.

wrongly worded by myself.

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #898 on: July 17, 2013, 01:55:09 PM »
Bombers not in the clear yet over controversial supplement program

    Sam Edmund
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    July 17, 2013 11:04AM


Essendon supporters have been bashed from pillar to post and, desperate to defend their club, are clinging to this revelation like the last lifeboat to leave the Titanic. Any other fervent fan would do the same.

But what about the other drugs? What about the allegation players were injected with the banned Thymosin Beta 4? What about what Ziggy Switkowski described as a "disturbing pharmacologically experimental environment''?

Why sack Ian Robson?

Why call in the players' parents?

Heck, why call in ASADA in February to investigate if they gave Essendon the green light in the first place?

And what of the AFL Commission, which league boss Andrew Demetriou last night said had broad powers to inflict its own punishment on the Bombers?

ASADA is the governing body in this country, but WADA president John Fahey has threatened to appeal any judgement his organisation believes is too light.

There is a tidal wave of water to go under the bridge yet.

And, you guessed it, plenty more questions.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/bombers-not-in-the-clear-yet-over-controversial-supplement-program/story-fni5f6kv-1226680637080

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #899 on: July 17, 2013, 02:41:49 PM »
I too was walking the dog and actually saw dimwit flog himself at the end of the show through the window

this disturbed me
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