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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #900 on: July 17, 2013, 06:10:23 PM »
Club Statement
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4:40pm AEST Wednesday, July 17, 2013


Essendon Football Club would like to make the following statement in relation to an article in The Age newspaper today and comments made by journalist Caroline Wilson in the media recently.

There has been a disturbing amount of inappropriate and factually incorrect information being reported regarding senior coach James Hird and the ASADA/AFL investigation at the Essendon Football Club.

At all times, Essendon players, staff, officials and coaches have fully cooperated with the ASADA/AFL investigation and the Club has repeatedly stated that the ASADA investigators must be allowed to complete their investigation.

As requested by ASADA investigators, Essendon coach James Hird has agreed not to disclose matters discussed at his interview until the completion of the investigation.

Today, The Age reported that “sources close to the joint investigation by ASADA and the AFL” have provided information to The Age.

Representatives from the Club have requested all parties to the investigation to guarantee confidentiality and to afford natural justice. Breaching this confidentiality directly undermines the trust in the process and selective disclosure of information relating to the investigation appears to be deliberately threatening the integrity of this process.

For the reputation and integrity of senior coach James Hird to be questioned without the right to due process, is extremely disturbing and inappropriate in the circumstances.

Today, The Age reported that James Hird received a ‘warning’ after he had been ‘investigating the anti-doping status of certain peptides.’

This is factually incorrect. Until the ASADA investigation is completed the full context of this particular meeting should not be the subject of innuendo.

On Monday night on Channel 9’s Footy Classified program and on Tuesday night on 3AW’s Sports Today program, Caroline Wilson, referring to the Club’s supplements regime falsely asserted that James Hird was the “main architect.” This is just factually wrong. 


Ms Wilson also asserted that James Hird was Mr Dank’s initial champion. This is also factually wrong. Mr Dank was brought to the club at the insistence of Dean Robinson with whom he had worked previously.

Essendon Football Club has been limited in what we can comment on, and more than anything else, we want the ASADA investigation to be completed.

Despite the extraordinary media commentary and speculation, the Club has maintained its commitment to this process.

However, the Club will not continue to allow the reputation of its players, coaches, staff and the Club itself to be questioned by factual inaccuracies.

http://www.essendonfc.com.au/news/2013-07-17/club-statement

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #901 on: July 17, 2013, 08:07:45 PM »
Love how its on the front page of the age

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #902 on: July 17, 2013, 08:51:00 PM »
Seems Caro has upset them  ;D

If it is all so "Factual incorrect" then sue Caro and The Age

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #903 on: July 17, 2013, 10:08:37 PM »
Caro's dished out another whack to the Bombers and Hird  ;D
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Bombers are yet to face facts
Date July 18, 2013
Caroline Wilson
Chief Football Writer for The Age

That Essendon coach James Hird has a different recollection of the 2011 meeting in which he was warned by the AFL to avoid peptides where his players were concerned, is not surprising.

Hird, whose example in embracing and pushing the risky drug program in which his loyal players were regularly injected with questionable substances, still has not come to grips with the perilous position in which he finds himself.

This is despite the fact that significant chunks of evidence gathered by ASADA and the AFL has not been kind to Hird. As the ASADA findings are put together in Canberra and the AFL Commission braces itself for one of its toughest decisions, just how the competition handles the fall from grace of perhaps its most beloved hero of the past two decades remains the most fascinating human dilemma of this sorry saga.

Hird hired the hard-line spin doctor Ian Hanke as his media adviser when it became clear he would require one. Hanke on Tuesday did not deny Hird had met the AFL in 2011 over peptides, but indicated, as the club did again on Wednesday, that it would be wrong to interpret the meeting in a negative way.

Hanke implied to Fairfax Media on Tuesday that when all the facts were revealed several commentators would be embarrassed and Hird would emerge unscathed. This is a familiar refrain, echoing that of Adelaide chief executive Steven Trigg last year before the AFL banned him.

But it is understood Hird met AFL investigator Brett Clothier in late 2011 after it had come to the league's attention, via ASADA, that the coach was seeking information about certain peptides. Fairfax Media believes Clothier cautioned Hird more than once to stay away from peptides.

Clothier has refused to comment on the meeting, but multiple sources close to the joint investigation into Essendon have confirmed the meeting took place. They have also confirmed the context of the warning.

Meanwhile, it now appears beyond doubt that at least one of Hird's offsiders, senior assistant Mark Thompson, had taken issue with the volume and regularity of the injecting program and cautioned against it, despite the support it received from Hird and football operations boss Danny Corcoran.

Just why Hird and his supporters believed the players required such heavy-handed and risky treatment and wanted to keep it secret has never been revealed.

What is also beyond doubt is the anti-obesity drug AOD-9604 is just one substance among several allegedly given to the players, and even if the Bombers can prove ASADA approved it, there remains the question of other drugs, such as the banned peptide Thymosin beta-4 and the alleged presence of the WADA-prohibited Hexarelin.

Equally certain is that Essendon has cast a pall over the integrity of the 2013 finals series. If the club contests the finals then its presence will be viewed by some as unsporting, and if it does not then the competition also will be tainted.

At some point the senior coach - despite the formidable team of yes men surrounding him - must take some responsibility for that. We remain convinced the AFL will ensure it.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/bombers-are-yet-to-face-facts-20130717-2q4n9.html#ixzz2ZItX3xlc

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #904 on: July 17, 2013, 10:16:00 PM »
She's an angel

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #905 on: July 18, 2013, 03:43:06 AM »
Essendon defends coach James Hird's reputation in final stages of doping investigation

    Mark Robinson, Grant Baker
    From: Herald Sun
    July 18, 2013


Claims on Tuesday night that players would be exonerated for using AOD-9604 were not supported by ASADA yesterday.

It would not comment yesterday on reports an ASADA investigator told Essendon on May 6 that "I don't believe it (AOD-9604) should ever have been on the prohibited list" and further reports that the agency had indicated to the club that the prospect of prosecution for the use of AOD-9604 was "very, very, very low".

"Given the investigation into Essendon is ongoing, ASADA is unable to comment on media speculation regarding possible anti-doping rule violations concerning a range of substances," ASADA said.

Essendon did not respond yesterday when asked if it could provide documentation from ASADA indicating it had been cleared to use AOD-9604 last year.

Former ASADA boss Richard Ings said yesterday it would be a "game changer" to the investigation if approval could be substantiated but said the onus was on the club "to show they did get permission".

ASADA has told the Herald Sun several times it had never given such approval.

ASADA uses an electronic document and records management system, which means that if it gave written advice on AOD-9604, it would be in its archives.

If advice was given verbally, ASADA protocol dictates the person giving the advice logs the exchange under the same system.

http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-defends-coach-james-hirds-reputation-in-final-stages-of-doping-investigation/story-fndv8gad-1226681002486

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #906 on: July 18, 2013, 04:02:33 AM »
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Essendon did not respond yesterday when asked if it could provide documentation from ASADA indicating it had been cleared to use AOD-9604 last year.


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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #907 on: July 18, 2013, 04:18:13 AM »
Essendon are constantly changing their story and trying to hold multiple and conflicting positions to try and weasel their way out of this. The below post from BF does a great summary of it.

If Essendon and everyone there involved in this knew it was all above board when why did they call for this investigation, why did Ziggy's report talk about a regime of chemical cocktails and experimentation, why was Robson forced to resign and Robinson stood down; not to mention Dank sacked, why did they claim there was a rogue element within their sports science, etc .... It's just like how the Bombers can claim they can't talk and answer questions put to them because there's an ASADA investigation yet they can publish official club statements in response to allegations that put them in a bad light.


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1) AOD - EFC never administered any banned drugs to its players, then changes to we are not sure what we administered to players, then changes to Dank was rogue and administered things we never knew of, then it changes to we dont admit to administering AOD but if we did it is not performancing enhancing and now its changed to, Yes we administered AOD, yes it looks like we admit its banned but we are going to get off because ASADA assured us it wasn't banned, not our fault.

2) Thymosin - EFC deny ever administering any form of Thymosin, then it changes to we are not sure what type of Thymosin was administered.

3) Hexeralim - Dank claims he injected Hird with it, Hird denies ever being injected with it, suddenly an paid invoice shows up and EFC claim it was a mistake and was picked up and rectified before it was delivered, now theres reporting that EFC physically had it on-site at EFC.

4) Hird - EFC call for an investigation into itself and Hird caims he is shocked to be sitting there, then EFC claim its just a big misunderstanding, Hird denies any knowledge of the supplement program and the substances that were administered, then it comes out that Hird and Evans attended a meeting on AOD, then it comes out that Hird exchanged text messages with Dank where they discussed substances by name and how they would be administered, now it comes out that Hird was warned by AFL about peptides and know the club is denying it.

5) Reid - Reid is described as honourable and trustworthy, EFC claim that Reid wrote a letter with concerns over the program but that letter got lost somewhere, then its claimed that Reid actually signed off on substances.

6) Dank - First Dank is evil personified in EFC eyes, he apparently went rogue and deceived the club, then suddenly Dank has a magic letter that he showed EFC that approves AOD and possibly other substances, then its back to Dank being rogue when it emerges that players were getting off-site injections and he went over budget even though he was the lowest employee at EFC, now its Dank back to being the trusted guy who secured AOD approval from ASADA and he all of a sudden has this magical correspondence that will exonerate EFC.

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/asada-advised-essendon-aod9604-is-not-prohibited.1019324/page-89#post-29192735
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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #908 on: July 18, 2013, 09:53:35 AM »
Vlad is giving Caro the info  :shh

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #909 on: July 18, 2013, 01:33:26 PM »
Greg Denham on KB's show this morning said from what he knows, Caro's articles from the past 2 days are completely correct. Interesting times.


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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #910 on: July 18, 2013, 01:36:59 PM »
Greg Denham on KB's show this morning said from what he knows, Caro's articles from the past 2 days are completely correct. Interesting times.

Caro is many different things to people but she isn't stupid enough to print something like she did without making sure she can't get sued for it

Bombers are now officially back in strife  ;D  :clapping :clapping
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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #911 on: July 18, 2013, 01:48:24 PM »
Greg Denham on KB's show this morning said from what he knows, Caro's articles from the past 2 days are completely correct. Interesting times.

This is Denham's Article on it from today's Australian. Just gets murkier and murkier by the minute
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Hird should've known what Blind Freddie saw

by: Greg Denham
From: The Australian July 18, 2013 12:00AM

ONE aspect of James Hird's involvement in Essendon's supplement program that seems to have been overlooked lately is that he either did know, or should have known, AOD-9604 was not compliant with the World Anti-Doping Agency from the outset.

Hird was called before the AFL in 2011 and warned not to involve his players in a peptide program. Yesterday the Herald Sun said the Bombers were confident players would escape penalties because the anti-obesity drug was not banned in 2012.

Hang on a minute.

It was reported in February this year that Essendon chairman David Evans received a presentation on AOD-9604 by the product's Melbourne-based patent holder last year, who, it is believed, was introduced to Evans by Hird.

David Kenley, chief executive of Metabolic Pharmaceuticals, said Evans was addressed as a potential investor in the company at a meeting in Melbourne before the beginning of last season.

He said the presentation was aimed at enticing financial backing from Evans's broking firm, Evans and Partners, in the pharmacological company's bid to have its peptide granted regulatory approval. Hird has worked as a stockbroker and started as a director at the firm Gemba in 2006.

Metabolic claims to have spent millions since 1998 attempting to develop AOD-9604 as an anti-obesity treatment, which it also says is potentially useful for repairing muscle and cartilage in the recovery process of athletes.

Sold on the black market, principally by Chinese websites, the peptide has not yet undergone the scientific trialling to gain approval by the Therapeutic Goods Administration.

"We told the stockmarket, and it was reported in the press back in 2010, that there was what we called at the time a black market trade in AOD-9604," Kenley said.

Hello.

Alarm bells should have been ringing for Hird and Evans.

Potential investors were informed that AOD-9604 had not been approved by any government regulatory health authority for human therapeutic use.

Bingo.

Therefore it falls into the World Anti-Doping Agency's S0 - non-approved substances list.

Blind Freddie should have known that it was prohibited. Any potential investor would surely have known that.

It has been reported that Evans and Hird chose not to invest.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/opinion/hird-shouldve-known-what-blind-freddie-saw/story-e6frg7t6-1226680946123
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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #913 on: July 18, 2013, 04:07:55 PM »
Greg Denham on KB's show this morning said from what he knows, Caro's articles from the past 2 days are completely correct. Interesting times.

Caro is many different things to people but she isn't stupid enough to print something like she did without making sure she can't get sued for it

Bombers are now officially back in strife  ;D  :clapping :clapping

Thankyou  :clapping and if you had tuned into SEN today during KB's  :bow show WP you would have heard all the Naive Essendon supporters ring in and whinge to KB and Denham  ::)
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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #914 on: July 18, 2013, 04:18:46 PM »
I've had to stop listening to Sen

Finey:: ; Wheatley said everything is OK. Essen Don are clean. Bla bl bla bla... when Efc played saints I never thought they were cheats. I'm not a biochemist. Bla bla bla

Used to like Finey too. He just wants it to be over.