Essendon face AFL probe/Players found Guilty by CAS

[tigs2011]

Just keeps getting better. 

[Rampstar]

Ok, as much as all you blokes wants to see carnage at essendon,
How the stuff does chanell 9 get hold of private text messages?

Either it is made up or chanel 9 has hacked into hird's or dank's phone, which itself would be a much larger issue.

who cares just get yourself some popcorn and watch the show 

[one-eyed]

Essendon coach James Hird to tell drug authorities he was injected twice

    Mark Robinson
    From: Herald Sun
    April 12, 2013

ESSENDON coach James Hird will reveal he received two injections from disgraced sports scientist Stephen Dank - but only for health reasons.

The Herald Sun can reveal Hird will tell anti-doping authorities he believed the jabs - administered around March last year - were harmless and legal amino acids.

It comes as new details emerge of the discussions between the Essendon coach and Dank relating to player supplement use.

A source close to Hird said he would meet Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority investigators on Tuesday and tell them he took the injections because he was feeling ill.

Dank has claimed he injected Hird with Hexarelin, which was banned by the World Anti-Doping Agency in 2004, and that Hird and other coaches took Melanotan II, which has a tanning effect and could also function as an aphrodisiac.

Hird, set to coach the Bombers in Perth tonight, has fiercely denied taking WADA-banned substances.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/teams/essendon-coach-james-hird-to-tell-drug-authorities-he-was-injected-twice/story-e6frf9l6-1226618609404

[one-eyed]

What is Thymosin and Ubiquinone?
Are they banned? 

FORMER Essendon sports scientist Stephen Dank claims that coach James Hird used Hexarelin and Melanotan II. But what are they and why would anyone take them?

In a nutshell, Hexarelin is used to burn fat, gain muscle and help recovery time by stimulating the release of natural growth hormone. In sporting terms, it’s a performance-enhancer, which explains why it has been banned by the World Anti-Doping Agency.

In clinical trials, Melanotan II boosted sex drive as well as helping the user become tanned. It has never been approved for public use outside of trials, but unlicensed versions are available online.

Hexarelin

Hexarelin is a peptide (remember them? If not, see below), which increases strength and improves the size and growth of muscle fibres by telling the body to increase its levels of natural growth hormone.

Its exponents claim it also helps to protect the nervous system, hastens recovery and healing, and helps to reduce fat without increasing the user's appetite.

Hexarelin is not illegal. It was banned by WADA in 2004, but the ban applies to athletes only, not coaches.

Full report: Hird must have 'natural justice'

Melanotan II

Melanotan II is another peptide that was developed in a US university in an effort to help prevent skin cancer.

Early trials suggested that as well as having a melanogenesis (tanning) effect without the need for sunshine, it also functioned as an aphrodisiac, and could potentially be used to help men with erectile dysfunction.

While not illegal, it has not been approved by Australia’s Therapeutic Goods Administration (or, as yet, any other government medical body) for commercial use.

Concerns have been raised that the use of Melanotan and related products could increase the risk of skin cancer as well as damaging the immune and cardiovascular systems. Many health agencies worldwide have issued warnings about the product.

 
Peptides

Peptides – a chain of amino acids - have been developed to help human cells to repair and regenerate.

Just as letters of the alphabet form words, amino acids can be combined to produce “words” that are effectively messages for the body.

The peptide variant known as GHRP tells the body to increase levels of growth hormone, making it of particular interest to the sporting and bodybuilding communities.

Not all peptides are banned, but those stimulating growth hormone are on the World Anti-Doping Authority's prohibited list.

However, they are difficult to police and test for because they are rapidly metabolised, effectively disappearing without trace within hours.

They are sold as a cream or in a solution for injection.

http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/the-drugs-that-james-hird-allegedly-took-explained/story-fnelctok-1226617947615

[WilliamPowell]

Under the WADA code and by the rules of ASADA, Hird is not subject to any penalties because the code doesn't cover Coaches

But that wonderful AFL Rule 1.6 that covers bringing the game into "disrepute" is the one that sweep up Jimmy.

Go old rule 1.6, the rule of the AFL that covers what other rules miss 

Have no dobut big Andy D, will run out Jimmy Hird out of town if these allegations are proven just so he can prove he is running the show and has ultimate control 

[Francois Jackson]

Ok, as much as all you blokes wants to see carnage at essendon,
How the stuff does chanell 9 get hold of private text messages?

Either it is made up or chanel 9 has hacked into hird's or dank's phone, which itself would be a much larger issue.

who cares just get yourself some popcorn and watch the show 

here here

reminds me of the last episode of Seinfeld. Newman scoffing the popcorn down as he watches the demise of his nemeses

well this is the EFC and they deserve everything that's coming to them.

[Francois Jackson]

Under the WADA code and by the rules of ASADA, Hird is not subject to any penalties because the code doesn't cover Coaches

But that wonderful AFL Rule 1.6 that covers bringing the game into "disrepute" is the one that sweep up Jimmy.

Go old rule 1.6, the rule of the AFL that covers what other rules miss 

Have no dobut big Andy D, will run out Jimmy Hird out of town if these allegations are proven just so he can prove he is running the show and has ultimate control 

just like he did with the dees

Negative WP if proven correct big fine, 6 month sanction and that's the end of it.

My guess is Asada's findings complete in September, Hird banned in October for 6 months.(bringing the game into disrepute) EFC to resume as per normal come April start of 2014 season.

[gerkin greg]

Yeah but when you know for a fact players were injected – this is not being disputed – but you can't prove what they were injected with you build a case of circumstantial evidence which is enough to convict under WADA rules. If Hird gets done for using banned substances, is in bed with Dank, along with all this being done off site and with the club doctor out of the loop... well... it doesn't look good does it... especially if Hird & Essendon'd story has changed from 'we know nothing, we are shocked to be here'... to, well, actually, we know what was going on but it's not what it looks like we swear... 

[Judge Roughneck]

AFL chief executive Andrew Demetriou says Essendon coach James Hird should consider standing down

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/hird-should-consider-standing-down-demetriou-20130412-2hpff.html#ixzz2QCuNrJ3K

[WilliamPowell]

just like he did with the dees

Negative WP if proven correct big fine, 6 month sanction and that's the end of it.

My guess is Asada's findings complete in September, Hird banned in October for 6 months.(bringing the game into disrepute) EFC to resume as per normal come April start of 2014 season.

daniel, disagree

AFL will go after him because the can't afford not because of the fiascos we've had over the last few months, eg the Dees, Adel & Tippett. Andy D is on the war path over this. He's already saying Hird should stand down

I agree with you he will cop a big fine and suspension but the suspension will take in the season proper

Only way he wont cop a mighty whack fromt he AFL is if the EFC sack him and that I doubt will ever happen   

[one-eyed]

AFL boss Andrew Demetriou thinks Essendon coach James Hird should consider stepping down while investigations into the Bombers' drugs program are completed.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/teams/andrew-demetriou-hints-at-more-revelations-in-essendon-drugs-crisis/story-e6frf9l6-1226618920018


Hird was interviewed after Demetriou made his comments and said he won't be standing down.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/teams/essendon-coach-james-hird-dismisses-suggestions-by-afl-boss-andrew-demetriou-he-should-step-down-over-drugs-claims/story-e6frf9l6-1226618920018

[one-eyed]

AFL boss Andrew Demetriou says Essendon face more bombshells

    Jon Ralph
    From: Herald Sun
    April 13, 2013

ESSENDON could be hit with massive fines, the suspension of key officials and even the loss of draft picks as the AFL becomes increasingly likely to charge the club with bringing the game into disrepute.

And while experts confirmed yesterday the AFL's own anti-drug code cannot ban James Hird for using performance-enhancing drugs, the league can still punish him through other rules.

Its code of conduct has unlimited powers to sanction players, coaches and officials for conduct unbecoming -- which likely would include the use of banned drugs by an AFL coach.

Essendon's continuing controversy over its supplements program deepened yesterday when AFL chief Andrew Demetriou revealed yet more bombshells to come under the AFL's joint investigation with anti-doping body ASADA.

In effect, he acknowledged it was possible Hird took the WADA-banned drug Hexarelin, despite Hird's ardent denials.

American prosecutors who have taken down Marion Jones and Lance Armstrong have confirmed that, despite coaches being mentioned in the AFL's anti-doping code, that reference is to the administering of substances to players by coaches. It does not cover coaches using the substances themselves.

But the AFL can sanction Hird for his personal use under its code of conduct, if not the strict parameters of the anti-doping policy.

The AFL confirmed yesterday those sanctions -- fines, suspension and even the loss of draft selections -- were all available at the AFL Commission's discretion.

First the AFL is likely to watch Essendon's response to the imminent release of former Telstra boss Ziggy Switkowski's internal report, and consider the club's own sanctions for "irregular practices".

Through its investigation with ASADA, the AFL's integrity unit has access to Essendon's investigation into possible performance-enhancing drug use.

Demetriou is regularly briefed by his integrity team on developments, so his comments that there were more issues to be unearthed would have sent a chill down the spine of Essendon officials.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/teams/afl-boss-andrew-demetriou-says-essendon-face-more-bombshells/story-e6frf9l6-1226619566443

[one-eyed]

Serious inconsistencies in James Hird's version of events that took place during last year's football season have become a matter of grave concern for the Essendon board.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/coachs-shifting-stories-worry-bombers-board-20130412-2hr5e.html


STEPHEN Dank allegedly blew Essendon's entire supplements budget just two months into last year's football season.

The Herald Sun has been told Dank began seeking cheaper alternative supplement suppliers in May, complaining that his department owed $20,000 to a South Yarra pharmacist.

Specifically, Dank had been seeking peptides including CJC-1295 and GHRP6, multi-vitamins, colostrum and tribulus.

In an unverified text message sent last March, Dank told Bombers coach James Hird that players would be injected with the peptide thymosin. Another text in May discusses how an anti-obesity drug would be paid

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-news/essendons-supplement-budget-went-in-two-months/story-e6frf9jf-1226619499436

[Penelope]

Ok, as much as all you blokes wants to see carnage at essendon,
How the stuff does chanell 9 get hold of private text messages?

Either it is made up or chanel 9 has hacked into hird's or dank's phone, which itself would be a much larger issue.

who cares just get yourself some popcorn and watch the show 

here here

reminds me of the last episode of Seinfeld. Newman scoffing the popcorn down as he watches the demise of his nemeses

well this is the EFC and they deserve everything that's coming to them.

so the end justifies the means?
if this info came about from a similar scenario what happened in Britain, where the media media illegally tapping into people phones, it would be OK because it is Essendon?

[Francois Jackson]

Ok, as much as all you blokes wants to see carnage at essendon,
How the stuff does chanell 9 get hold of private text messages?

Either it is made up or chanel 9 has hacked into hird's or dank's phone, which itself would be a much larger issue.

who cares just get yourself some popcorn and watch the show 

here here

reminds me of the last episode of Seinfeld. Newman scoffing the popcorn down as he watches the demise of his nemeses

well this is the EFC and they deserve everything that's coming to them.

so the end justifies the means?
if this info came about from a similar scenario what happened in Britain, where the media media illegally tapping into people phones, it would be OK because it is Essendon?

What makes you so sure that's what happened.

If drugs or performance enhancing drugs that can  effect the integrity of our sport are involved, then police and the AFL are duty bound to do whatever it takes to get the real story.

If they are guilty I don't care how they did it or why they did it or who they got it off.

The EFC should cease to exist for at least 2 years. They are taking hard earned points and dollars away from clubs like ours who do the right thing. We may miss finals or another club miss top 4 and lose big $$$ cause of that pathetic organisation.

Screw them