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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #960 on: July 23, 2013, 01:20:09 AM »
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/essendon-in-doctor-shopping-to-beat-ban-20130722-2qf3x.html

Essendon's 2012 supplements program involved a ploy to circumvent anti-doping rules banning substances not approved for human use by "doctor shopping" in an attempt to get prescriptions to obtain drugs from a compounding pharmacist.
A small number of Essendon officials last year believed that having drugs prescribed by a doctor and then supplied by a compounding pharmacist meant the World Anti-Doping Agency's ban on substances not approved for human use no longer applied.
Basic internet checks reveal this belief to be unfounded, with the US Anti-Doping Agency's webpage warning athletes not to source drugs from compounding pharmacists, even when they have a therapeutic-use exemption to use a banned product. To use a substance banned by WADA, an athlete requires a therapeutic-use exemption from their national anti-doping authority.
The compounding pharmacist who supplied substances used by Essendon players last year, South Yarra's Nima Alavi, has told Fairfax Media that all medicines he dispensed had been prescribed for individuals by a doctor.
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The club on Monday said it could not answer specific questions, including whether any therapeutic-use exemptions had been sought for players, until the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority report had been released.
At least five doctors external to the club who had an interest in the supply or sale of peptides are believed to have been associated with Essendon's supplements program. These doctors specialise in anti-ageing, cosmetic and sports medicine.
Essendon doctors Bruce Reid and Brendan De Morton are understood not to have prescribed any drugs used in the program.
Some of the external doctors are understood to have written prescriptions that enabled Mr Alavi to prepare and provide drugs for Essendon's program.
Fairfax Media understands the ASADA investigation is examining which of the external doctors associated with the supplements program wrote prescriptions for players, whether they actually physically examined them and whether prescriptions were written in the players' names.
Speaking through his lawyer, Mr Alavi has claimed every substance he dispensed had been prescribed by a doctor. ''My client wishes to stress that he supplies peptides to patients and, although under no legal obligation to require the same, only on prescription by registered medical practitioners,'' says a yet-to-be-published February letter from Jack Bock lawyers on Mr Alavi's behalf.
Mr Alavi was supplying peptides Thymosin Beta 4 and Hexarelin, both banned by WADA because of their performance-enhancing effects, to former Essendon sports scientist Stephen Dank. Essendon Football Club invoices suggest both substances were supplied to the club. Mr Dank has strenuously denied giving players anything illegal or harmful.
Essendon players were also given failed anti-obesity drug AOD9604, which is banned under WADA's S0 category preventing the use of substances not approved for human use, and the prescription-only drug Cerebrolysin, used to treat dementia.
At the time Essendon players were last year being injected with AOD9604 at a frequency far exceeding any human clinical trials, the Australian company with the licence to produce it, Calzada Pty Ltd, was promoting the drug's promise to repair muscle and cartilage. An investor briefing on Calzada's prospects was arranged for Essendon president David Evans, who heads an investment firm, and coach James Hird in early 2012 by Mr Dank. Neither man decided to invest.
Calzada has not produced AOD9604 for years and Essendon has previously declined to answer questions about where it sourced the drug from.
Another Melbourne company, Phosphagenics Pty Ltd, is licensed by Calzada to use AOD9604 in an anti-cellulite cream. The company is understood to have sourced the drug from a Taiwan supplier.
Both Calzada and Phosphagenics have said they were not involved in supplying AOD9604 for use at Essendon.

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #961 on: July 23, 2013, 07:01:28 AM »
And to prove that others looked at doing deals  ;)
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Cronulla players rejected ban deals
by: Stuart Honeysett and Brent Read
From: The Australian July 23, 2013 12:00AM

NSW captain Paul Gallen is among eight Cronulla players alleged to have been in negotiations with anti-doping government officials earlier this year after the peptide scandal engulfed the Sharks.

Gallen, the Cronulla captain, was named by The Daily Telegraph alongside teammates Wade Graham, Nathan Stapleton, Matthew Wright, Stewart Mills and Jayson Bukuya as attempting to arrange a series of deals which would secure their financial future if they accepted six-month "no significant fault" bans.

The Telegraph said the eight players believed they had been let down by club officials who they claim had directed them to use certain supplements.

The players had been prepared to accept a six-month ban if they were also promised that their current contracts were honoured, that none of them would be sacked and that they would be given a one-year contract extension if their deal with the club ended in 2013.

...Gallen was also seeking to have any representative bonuses and payments covered.

The Telegraph reported that the players rejected the government deal once they had heard Essendon AFL players could escape any suspensions under a separate government arrangement.

ASADA issued a statement yesterday distancing itself from reports that it had cut a deal with the AFL to look after Essendon players if they co-operated with investigators.

"ASADA has not offered a zero sanction to any athlete or support person," a statement said. "It is ASADA's role to adhere to the World Anti-Doping Code at all times. At no time has ASADA offered sports advice inconsistent with the World Anti-Doping Code."

News of the Cronulla dealings comes as 30 players prepared to be interviewed by ASADA next week. Yesterday the NRL said it would send in its own legal team to babysit players during the interviews.

The game hopes to be clear of the process by the time the finals begin in September and yesterday issued a statement saying 30 players and a number of support staff had been informed they would be required to co-operate with ASADA investigators when interviews start on August 1.

"We'd like to have seen this done and dusted long ago," NRL chief operating officer Jim Doyle said last night.

"Any issue like this, you want to get to the bottom of it whichever outcome it generates.

"It's been frustrating but we have been working with them continuously.

"Our target is the end of August but we've got to work around their availability, players' availability."

The federal government's anti-doping watchdog announced almost three months ago it was cancelling interviews with Sharks players following a failed attempt with Wade Graham, who refused to answer certain questions from investigators over fear of self-incrimination.

That prompted NRL chief executive Dave Smith to intervene and call for a transcript of the interview.

Smith found no problem with Graham's response and called for the process to resume, prompting ASADA to pull the pin while it waited for access to players' phone records, texts and emails to become law.

It is expected that could happen by August 1.

Doyle said last night the NRL would send members of its own legal team into the interviews to ensure both parties were happy.

"We're going to get greater visibility as to how the players are co-operating and also to make sure that the rights and obligations of everybody are being respected," Doyle said.

"They'll make sure it is all above board."

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/nrl/cronulla-players-rejected-ban-deals/story-fnca0von-1226683444875
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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #962 on: July 23, 2013, 11:05:31 AM »
As a Sharks fan I know we're stuffed unlike Essendoom fans.  :lol

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #963 on: July 23, 2013, 12:01:10 PM »
ET will take a few of the blokes from ASADA fishing and everything will be sweet for Cronulla

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #964 on: July 23, 2013, 12:01:45 PM »
As a Sharks fan I know we're stuffed unlike Essendoom fans.  :lol

You might know but it seems Gallen is as dellusional as Bomber fans
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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #965 on: July 23, 2013, 12:09:37 PM »
And just to show we are not the only sport dealing with dimwitted players pleading their innocence even though they are guilty .... I was pleased to read this morning that MLB player Ryan Braun has been suspensed for the remainder of the MLB season without pay for finally admitting he did indeed take PED's
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Hell-lay-loo-ya - you dirty lying cheat though the penalty doesn't fit the crime, far too lenient, you gutless hypocrite. And hopefully A-Rod is next and will cop a bigger whack

Ryan Braun admits PED use, suspended for rest of 2013
By Mike Axisa
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July 22, 2013 5:41 pm ET

Brewers slugger Ryan Braun has been suspended -- effective immediately -- for the rest of the 2013 season without pay for violating the Joint Drug Agreement, Major League Baseball announced Monday. Braun admitted using performance-enhancing drugs, though he did not give any specifics.....

.....Braun met with MLB's investigators recently, and during that meeting the league reportedly laid out its evidence against him. Rather than go through an appeals process, Braun's side agreed to a plea deal and the negotiated suspension. Under the JDA, first time offenders get 50-game suspensions, second-timers get 100 games, and third-timers get lifetime bans.

Following the 2011 season, Braun tested positive for elevated levels of testosterone but successfully appealed the suspension. His attorneys challenged the "chain of custody" of the sample rather than the test results themselves. MLB was said to be furious over the results and even fired the arbitrator after the hearing.

Full article at: http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/eye-on-baseball/22849636/ryan-braun-admits-ped-use-suspended-for-rest-of-2013
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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #966 on: July 23, 2013, 12:09:44 PM »
As a Sharks fan I know we're stuffed unlike Essendoom fans.  :lol

You might know but it seems Gallen is as dellusional as Bomber fans
Meh, drag it out until after a rare finals appearance. We will probably choke our way out of the 8 without points being stripped.  :lol

ET will take a few of the blokes from ASADA fishing and everything will be sweet for Cronulla
I hope so. Meanwhile Essendon gets done.  :clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #967 on: July 23, 2013, 01:30:58 PM »
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« Reply #968 on: July 23, 2013, 05:19:59 PM »
while painkillers are permitted, Blobbo has a point.

They are performance enhancing and should be banned.

If a player has an injury and could not play without the pain being masked, then that substance is enhancing his performance, as well as doing untold damage to the injury.

It is one of the greatest inconsistencies that a player cannot get a legal (to the rest of us) substance to help then recover from an injury, but can legally make an injury worse by numbing the pain it causes.

The difference is one is allowed by wada one is not
Precisely in this Essendon context. Nor can prescribing medication that is well understood medically (including side effects) and that has undergone strict clinical trials on humans be compared to substances that have not been tested on humans and where these substances were secretly experimented on ill-informed footballers. 

al, painkillers don't enhance a footballer's performance beyond his previous normal/uninjured levels.
you could use the same the argument about some of the peptides essendon were using. they only help you recover so they just get you back to the normal level.
You could also use the same argument to allow players to uses steroids to recover from injury (which the rest of us can do).

Legally being able to have injections that allow players to play, who would not otherwise be able to, is enhancing their performance and is a farce

Again, you could not, due to the fact they are not allowed via WADA

and the AFL have signed up to WADA and the AFL are apparently the white knights of integrity

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #969 on: July 23, 2013, 05:33:54 PM »
i think you totally missed my point here bents. I am not claiming that what essendon did is not illegal, in any shape of form.

what you have quoted i am just talking about the effect they have, not whether essendon broke the law in taking them.

dont know why you got your knickers in a such a twist and got yourself banned over that. Surely you have read my posts stating that i cant understand how essendon seem to think they are guilt free just because the substances are not specifically listed?
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« Reply #970 on: July 23, 2013, 05:34:48 PM »
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« Reply #971 on: July 23, 2013, 05:53:46 PM »
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« Reply #972 on: July 23, 2013, 08:56:23 PM »
Essentology teaches that players, coaches, members, supporters and apologists are immortal beings who have forgotten their true nature.

Its method of football rehabilitation is a type of vitamining known as auditing, in which practitioners aim to consciously re-experience painful or traumatic events in their past in order to free themselves of their limiting effects.  Study materials and vitamining sessions are made available to players on a fee-for-service basis, which the cult describes as a "fixed donation"  and is generally conducted at an off-site laboratory.

Essentology is recognized as a moral-exempt religion in the north eastern suburbs of southern Australia, Subiaco, West Lakes, Docklands, Wooloongabba, Seaford, Kardinia, Glenferrie and Footscray where the Church of Essentology emphasises this as proof that it is a bona fide organisation.

In contrast, the cult is considered a commercial enterprise within the Long room at Lords, a secte in Punt Road, a cult in Carringbush, and a non-profit in Princes Park, and its legal classification is often a point of contention within WADA and ASADA cliques.

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« Reply #973 on: July 23, 2013, 09:02:04 PM »
http://www.drugrehab.co.uk/street-drug-names.htm

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« Reply #974 on: July 24, 2013, 12:01:57 PM »
Al my dear old thing.

They are performance enhancing and should be banned.

If a player has an injury and could not play without the pain being masked, then that substance is enhancing his performance, as well as doing untold damage to the injury.

I cannot agree with this. Where do we draw the line? Caffeine is also a PED. Should Coffee be outlawed due to the fact it the substance is enhancing his performance? I don't mean to be pedantic but it is true.

I was banned because i acted ungentlemanly like after reading an Essendon apologist outrageous article.

Nothing to do with your good self, old sock.