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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #1875 on: August 24, 2013, 06:05:07 PM »
Ch7 news reporting penalties likely to be:

- Hird suspended 12 months
- loss of all points = no finals
- $2 million fine (could be more)
- loss of 1st and 2nd round draft picks for the next 2 drafts


And the truth will set you free  ;D

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #1876 on: August 24, 2013, 06:11:23 PM »
Ch7 news reporting penalties likely to be:

- Hird suspended 12 months
- loss of all points = no finals
- $2 million fine (could be more)
- loss of 1st and 2nd round draft picks for the next 2 drafts


And the truth will set you free  ;D

now we're talking. This is the bare minimun IMV

players should cop it too

i mean how could they not. A VFL player ordered something online that never got to him so surely they are goneski.

If ASADA have any balls which i doubt they have in this case some have to go

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #1877 on: August 24, 2013, 06:20:38 PM »
 12 month suspension on Tird is a further indictment on the game and even more so on it's governing body,the afl.
This prick should be handed a 10 year to lifetime BAN.
The sporting equivalent of capital punishment.
Make an example that will be remembered by all in the future, should they as much as entertain the thought of any such behavior
« Last Edit: August 24, 2013, 07:22:37 PM by (•))(©™ »
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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #1878 on: August 24, 2013, 06:22:22 PM »
Ch7 news reporting penalties likely to be:

- Hird suspended 12 months
- loss of all points = no finals
- $2 million fine (could be more)
- loss of 1st and 2nd round draft picks for the next 2 drafts


And the truth will set you free  ;D

now we're talking. This is the bare minimun IMV

players should cop it too

i mean how could they not. A VFL player ordered something online that never got to him so surely they are goneski.

If ASADA have any balls which i doubt they have in this case some have to go
Why wouldn't they have any balls? What is it they're scared of?
I don't get it...
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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #1879 on: August 24, 2013, 06:26:23 PM »
Ch7 news reporting penalties likely to be:

- Hird suspended 12 months
- loss of all points = no finals
- $2 million fine (could be more)
- loss of 1st and 2nd round draft picks for the next 2 drafts


And the truth will set you free  ;D

now we're talking. This is the bare minimun IMV


Have to say I don't think the EFC has any right to make demands re the penalties. That "right" went out the window on Wednesday when those 34 pages of shame were released

And hasn't Mr Little changed his approach since Thursday's presidents meeting  ;D ;D

And I think we the footy public owe "Sarah" a massive thank you because I reckon her call to Eddie was the biggest catalyst that turned the final tide of public opinion against the bombers even some of their own supporters
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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #1880 on: August 24, 2013, 06:29:07 PM »
12 month suspension on Tird is a further indictment on the game and even more so on it's governing body,the afl.
This prick should be handed a 1- year to lifetime BAN.
The sporting equivalent of capital punishment.
Make an example that will be remembered by all in the future, should they as much as entertain the thought of any such behavior
:clapping  :clapping  :clapping

I too think he should be made an example of.
Lifetime ban for Hirdy! 
Top post.  :thumbsup
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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #1881 on: August 24, 2013, 06:45:17 PM »
Ch7 news reporting penalties likely to be:

- Hird suspended 12 months
- loss of all points = no finals
- $2 million fine (could be more)
- loss of 1st and 2nd round draft picks for the next 2 drafts


And the truth will set you free  ;D

now we're talking. This is the bare minimun IMV

players should cop it too

i mean how could they not. A VFL player ordered something online that never got to him so surely they are goneski.

If ASADA have any balls which i doubt they have in this case some have to go
Why wouldn't they have any balls? What is it they're scared of?
I don't get it...

ASADA not done with this case yet.

Was interesting on 3AW they spoke about that what keeps getting forgotten is that the ASADA investigation(s) doesn't just include the EFC, there is Melbourne's issues with AOD-6904 and Dank (forgotten), the NRL side of things. Separate investigation but there is also one involving Bock (GC) so ASADA have alot of going on  ;D

Plenty still come from ASADA  ;D
« Last Edit: August 24, 2013, 07:24:24 PM by WilliamPowell »
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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #1882 on: August 24, 2013, 07:23:15 PM »
12 month suspension on Tird is a further indictment on the game and even more so on it's governing body,the afl.
This prick should be handed a 1- year to lifetime BAN.
The sporting equivalent of capital punishment.
Make an example that will be remembered by all in the future, should they as much as entertain the thought of any such behavior
:clapping  :clapping  :clapping

I too think he should be made an example of.
Lifetime ban for Hirdy! 
Top post.  :thumbsup

I meant to type "10 year to lifetime ban" - not 1 year.

Sorry
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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #1883 on: August 24, 2013, 07:32:24 PM »
12 month suspension on Tird is a further indictment on the game and even more so on it's governing body,the afl.
This prick should be handed a 1- year to lifetime BAN.
The sporting equivalent of capital punishment.
Make an example that will be remembered by all in the future, should they as much as entertain the thought of any such behavior
:clapping  :clapping  :clapping

I too think he should be made an example of.
Lifetime ban for Hirdy! 
Top post.  :thumbsup

I meant to type "10 year to lifetime ban" - not 1 year.

Sorry

On ya Ox. :thumbsup

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #1884 on: August 24, 2013, 07:39:01 PM »
Ch7 news reporting penalties likely to be:

- Hird suspended 12 months
- loss of all points = no finals
- $2 million fine (could be more)
- loss of 1st and 2nd round draft picks for the next 2 drafts


And the truth will set you free  ;D

now we're talking. This is the bare minimun IMV

players should cop it too

i mean how could they not. A VFL player ordered something online that never got to him so surely they are goneski.

If ASADA have any balls which i doubt they have in this case some have to go

WAAAAADDDDAAAAAA which we should all chant at the game v the Dons will pump essendon if Asada dont do it. Essendon are gonna get reamed. Mike Sheahan shoulda done "Essendon the lost years coming up" Theyre going into the wilderness after this.

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #1885 on: August 24, 2013, 07:51:33 PM »
Ch7 news reporting penalties likely to be:

- Hird suspended 12 months
- loss of all points = no finals
- $2 million fine (could be more)
- loss of 1st and 2nd round draft picks for the next 2 drafts


And the truth will set you free  ;D

now we're talking. This is the bare minimun IMV

players should cop it too

i mean how could they not. A VFL player ordered something online that never got to him so surely they are goneski.

If ASADA have any balls which i doubt they have in this case some have to go
Why wouldn't they have any balls? What is it they're scared of?
I don't get it...

ASADA not done with this case yet.

Was interesting on 3AW they spoke about that what keeps getting forgotten is that the ASADA investigation(s) doesn't just include the EFC, there is Melbourne's issues with AOD-6904 and Dank (forgotten), the NRL side of things. Separate investigation but there is also one involving Bock so ASADA have alot of going on  ;D

Plenty still come from ASADA  ;D

why cant the AFL deliver their own punishment for the players who have breached.

The evidence is there for all to see.

Im sorry WP but i put ASADA in the same category as the EFC. NFI
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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #1886 on: August 24, 2013, 08:38:20 PM »
Asada is a paper Lion.

Like a poo Australian ambassador with no clue,cluelessly waiting for advice and decisions to be made by their employee.
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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #1887 on: August 24, 2013, 08:51:10 PM »
The Bombers still haven't learnt anything  :facepalm


Bombers would welcome Hird back after any suspension

By Sam Lienert AAP, Callum Twomey and Mark Macgugan
7:58pm AEST Saturday, August 24, 2013


ESSENDON chairman Paul Little wants James Hird to return as coach if he serves a suspension as punishment for last year's supplements saga.

Little said the Bombers, who are in negotiations with the AFL over their penalty, will attend a scheduled AFL Commission hearing on Monday.

He is confident the League and the club are close to reaching a "middle ground" on penalties which both parties can accept, although he said he could not guarantee it would be achieved before the finals.

The sanctions are likely to include the Bombers being stripped of premiership points and their finals berth, and being fined heavily, as well as a ban for Hird.

But Little would not confirm any of those details, saying he did not want to pre-empt the outcome.

Asked if Saturday night's game against Carlton could be Hird's last in charge of the club, Little said he did not believe so.

"I'm certain that that's not being requested at this stage, so I would say no to that," Little told the Seven Network pre-match.

He said the Bombers would want Hird back in charge if he had to serve a 12-month ban.

"Absolutely and that would be our preference," Little said.

He said he did not want to answer on Hird's behalf as to what would be an appropriate sanction for the coach.

Little also confirmed the AFL had given the club the option of accepting a penalty on their own behalf, while leaving Hird and club doctor Bruce Reid to battle the League  separately, if they chose to.

"At this stage all I can say to you is it is a package (being negotiated between the Bombers and the AFL) other than the option that's been given for James or Bruce Reid to opt out of that should they wish to," Little said.

"But we're trying very hard to get the package agreed."

Little said he hoped Hird would get his time to tell his side of the story.

"James is very remorseful. I've spoken to him, he's spoken to the parents, we see that as a very private area of him admitting remorse," Little said.

"James is remorseful and he's looking for an opportunity to actually express that and at this point in time it's not going to be a five-second message out the front of his house."

Little said the prospect of Essendon participating in this year's finals series was being negotiated with the AFL.

"At this stage it's part of what I'm working through with the AFL and it's certainly on the table, both from the AFL's point of view and our point of view," Little said.

"It will become clearer when we reach agreement with the AFL."

Little said he was "personally disappointed" with the collective response of the 17 other club presidents and chairmen who attended a meeting at AFL House on Thursday to be updated on the situation.

They unanimously expressed their support in the AFL's management and commission.

"I have to say it was my first time that I've had an opportunity to speak with the other clubs," he said.

"I was somewhat disappointed that the other clubs offered a lot of support and then put out a notice that they were strongly behind the AFL, however that was always their prerogative."

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-08-24/dons-close-to-deal

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #1888 on: August 24, 2013, 10:07:50 PM »
why cant the AFL deliver their own punishment for the players who have breached.

The evidence is there for all to see.

Im sorry WP but i put ASADA in the same category as the EFC. NFI

Daniel,

Why? Because they can't and won't because the report is an interim report only. ASADA's investigations are not complete

I am trying to be a smart you know what but I am not sure if it is a case of you don't understand how the process works or you chose to ignore it because you don't like it

The AFL is a signatory to the WADA code. This means that the AFL as signatory is bound to follow the rules and processes of the WADA code. ASADA is organisation within Australia that administers the WADA code (rules). They conduct the testing, any investigations etc that are required under the code. They issue the infraction notices for any breaches they find to relevant sporting bodies in this case the AFL, the AFL then brings the players before their Anti-Doping tribunal. The AFL tribunal then hand out the penalties (suspension). If WADA are not satisfied with the penalty they can apply a harsher penalty.

As I said above the report is an interim report. Why? The main reason is because since August have had new powers given to them that means they can now subpoena people to appear before them. This means they can now force Dank to be interviewed. Up until August this was not possible. I reckon 3 times in the last fortnight I've said this.
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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #1889 on: August 25, 2013, 10:18:32 AM »
i know exactly how it works and i still maintain ASADA have no got idea what they are doing and players will get off.

It will pan out like this

Players cleared

Hird gets 12 months. His 2IC and another fool in Bomber to coach

Out of 2013/2014 but allowed to release players out, hence collecting some picks on the way in

2 million fine. 500k paid by the afl. 1.5k half paid by Little

They will think they come out of this clean and that makes me sick

I cant understand how in reality Adelaide copped the same punishment, in terms of concessions.



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