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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2355 on: March 01, 2014, 10:56:01 AM »
Say five people see a rape take place in a park.

 Say the police interview three or four of these in regards ton the rape.

Is it then requires to interview the rapist (is. Dank), to find out what happened?

Do you expect the rapist to tell the truth anyway?

Not the world greatest analogy but I hope you get what I am trying to say. If you can work out what happened from multiple sources if the protagonist really required? More so when he is full of poo anyway

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2356 on: March 01, 2014, 11:18:47 AM »
Say five people see a rape take place in a park.

 Say the police interview three or four of these in regards ton the rape.

Is it then requires to interview the rapist (is. Dank), to find out what happened?

Do you expect the rapist to tell the truth anyway?

Not the world greatest analogy but I hope you get what I am trying to say. If you can work out what happened from multiple sources if the protagonist really required? More so when he is full of poo anyway

I don't think this is a good example.  The case you have provided has witnesses that have nothing to lose by saying the truth.  In the Dank case, many people gave evidence, many of who are trying to protect their own club.  We had evidence destroyed, poor documentation on what was given and conflicting stories from one person to another.  It is imperative that the main suspect is interviewed and made to tell the truth.

It is almost inconceivable that the main man isn't interviewed......
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« Reply #2357 on: March 01, 2014, 11:25:44 AM »
agree ^^^^

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2358 on: March 01, 2014, 11:35:56 AM »
Say five people see a rape take place in a park.

 Say the police interview three or four of these in regards ton the rape.

Is it then requires to interview the rapist (is. Dank), to find out what happened?

Do you expect the rapist to tell the truth anyway?

Not the world greatest analogy but I hope you get what I am trying to say. If you can work out what happened from multiple sources if the protagonist really required? More so when he is full of poo anyway

I don't think this is a good example.  The case you have provided has witnesses that have nothing to lose by saying the truth.  In the Dank case, many people gave evidence, many of who are trying to protect their own club.  We had evidence destroyed, poor documentation on what was given and conflicting stories from one person to another.  It is imperative that the main suspect is interviewed and made to tell the truth.

It is almost inconceivable that the main man isn't interviewed......

The problems. Is the evidence has already been destroyed and this cannot be undone. Dank won't tell the truth unless he was under torture. This is evidence by the thirty four page afl charge sheet stating tb4 was Bought/injected. And dank lying it was not tb4.

If you read the science of Steven dank and the afl charge sheet that's IMO suffice information mass drug cheating has taken place.

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2359 on: March 01, 2014, 11:45:49 AM »
I'm happy to torture the flat little prick.  :shh

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2360 on: March 01, 2014, 11:48:02 AM »
Say five people see a rape take place in a park.

 Say the police interview three or four of these in regards ton the rape.

Is it then requires to interview the rapist (is. Dank), to find out what happened?

Do you expect the rapist to tell the truth anyway?

Not the world greatest analogy but I hope you get what I am trying to say. If you can work out what happened from multiple sources if the protagonist really required? More so when he is full of poo anyway

I don't think this is a good example.  The case you have provided has witnesses that have nothing to lose by saying the truth.  In the Dank case, many people gave evidence, many of who are trying to protect their own club.  We had evidence destroyed, poor documentation on what was given and conflicting stories from one person to another.  It is imperative that the main suspect is interviewed and made to tell the truth.

It is almost inconceivable that the main man isn't interviewed......

The problems. Is the evidence has already been destroyed and this cannot be undone. Dank won't tell the truth unless he was under torture. This is evidence by the thirty four page afl charge sheet stating tb4 was Bought/injected. And dank lying it was not tb4.

If you read the science of Steven dank and the afl charge sheet that's IMO suffice information mass drug cheating has taken place.

All I am saying is that you would think they would have at least tried!  It's not to say they would get anything meaningful from him.

It's just like saying you wouldn't interview a suspected murderer because you don't think he would tell the truth.  Wow!
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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2361 on: March 01, 2014, 12:11:43 PM »
I'm happy to torture the flat little prick.  :shh

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2362 on: March 01, 2014, 09:41:47 PM »
Essendrugs in crisis again

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2363 on: March 01, 2014, 09:50:02 PM »
Oh Caroline Wilson my queen

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Essendon in crisis as 14 players set to be named in banned drugs inquiry (Age)
« Reply #2364 on: March 01, 2014, 09:53:23 PM »
Essendon in crisis as players set to be named in banned drugs inquiry

Caroline Wilson
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March 01, 2014



Essendon has called a crisis meeting of 10 senior players warning them that they would be named publicly for having taken potentially banned drugs.

Furious that confidentiality agreements had been broken and devastated their players would be subjected to further scrutiny, Bombers staff were also contacting four former Essendon players who told investigators they believed they had taken the drugs.

The players told ASADA and AFL investigators last year they believed they had been injected with Thymosin, AOD-9604 or both.

Essendon chairman Paul Little addressed his disappointment with the News Ltd press in a letter to members on Saturday night.

He told The Sunday Age: ''This is just another hurdle they need to overcome. These players have not been allowed to find closure and closure is what they crave.''

Acting club chief executive Xavier Campbell on Saturday addressed captain Jobe Watson and nine of his teammates after a training session at Tullamarine. Watson admitted on Fox Footy last year that he believed he had taken AOD-9604 which is banned by the World Anti-Doping Agency.

The Sunday Age has chosen not to name the 14 players.

All face further scrutiny from ASADA as it reviews the evidence gathered over the past 12 months surrounding Essendon's drug program conducted during the 2012 season. Little however has maintained he does not believe they took banned substances.

Essendon has always denied the Thymosin administered to the players under dangerous drug regime was Thymosin Beta-4 which is banned.

A disappointed Little told Essendon members: ''Throughout this investigation, confidentiality has been paramount to protect the integrity of this process - unfortunately, at various times this process has been undermined by leaks, innuendo and a lack of ethical and professional behaviour.

''The club has received information that the Herald Sun is going to name players based on information within an interim and incomplete report.

''On this occasion the club is particularly disappointed that the Herald Sun would choose to provide confidential information that could easily and unfairly damage the reputation of our players.

''As previously stated, we believe that our players did not take anything harmful, performance enhancing or illegal during 2012.

''Our players are young men of the highest integrity and it is a shame the Herald Sun has been unable to show the same level of professionalism and integrity as our players have done throughout this process.

''The disclosure of players' names will not change the outcome of the investigation in any way whatsoever, however it unfairly impacts our players, their reputations, their families and our club.''

The players had remained at the club for a community session on Saturday when the 10 were taken aside and informed their names would be made public. They were offered additional support from the club.

Little said he remained concerned at the ongoing impact on the players involved. ''From a club point of view they are going to need further special attention now,'' Little said. ''They signed confidentiality agreements and we believed those would be respected.''

The AFL and the AFL Players Association refused to comment on the development on Saturday. Both bodies have remained quietly confident the players involved will not receive infraction notices from ASADA.

http://m.smh.com.au/afl/afl-news/essendon-in-crisis-as-players-set-to-be-named-in-banned-drugs-inquiry-20140301-33szw.html?rand=1393669314876&utm_content=buffer9abe6&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2365 on: March 01, 2014, 10:13:59 PM »
Am looking forward to reading this Herald Sun article.
If Essendon dispute that the Thymosin that was injected was Thymosin Beta 4, then they should simply produce the medical records and have the matter done with.
But oh, that's right, they were kept in a bar fridge next to the VB stubbies and there are no records.

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2366 on: March 01, 2014, 10:39:48 PM »
Am looking forward to reading this Herald Sun article.
If Essendon dispute that the Thymosin that was injected was Thymosin Beta 4, then they should simply produce the medical records and have the matter done with.
But oh, that's right, they were kept in a bar fridge next to the VB stubbies and there are no records.

M: Thymosin Beta 4 – why was that used in Essendon players given there is an opinion from a doctor or researcher and other scientists that its effects are uncertain? (note: The AFL believes it has a strong circumstantial case that TB-4 was used on players.)
SD: That's not totally true Nick because, with all due respect, right, there is good data – very good data – that supports Thymosin Beta 4 in the immune system.
NM: OK, why give it to all Essendon players if only some of them had colds and flu?
SD: Well, the point is that there is a degree of immunosuppression after a game or a hard training week, right. Often times the ability to back up next week is decreased by the hit on the immune system.
NM: Did you see any indications in Essendon players that it actually helped them?
SD: Well apart from the fact they won 11 out of their first 14, right, and we did regular bloods [blood tests] . . . at the end of the day I was very happy with the science, I was very happy after working a long time in football, right, that there are periods of malaise which are possibly related to sub-clinical flus and sub-clinical colds, right, which can affect performance. When we want to be honest, Nick, how much performance data is there out there on Actovegin [calf's blood extract)]
NM: There's a lot, isn't there?
SD: No there's not! So, you know, you've got to extrapolate from the science.
NM: How often were Essendon players taking Thymosin Beta 4?
SD: [Explains the dosage level but asks that this be not published].


Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/the-science-of-stephen-dank-20130823-2shhd.html#ixzz2ui6IFnvQ



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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2367 on: March 01, 2014, 10:42:20 PM »
WELVE AFL stars including 10 Bombers risk bans after telling anti-doping investigators they thought they had been injected with peptides.
Club captain

Jobe Watson,
 Dyson Heppell
and Michael Hurley


are among 10 current Essendon players the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority says told its investigators they suspected they had been injected with either Thymosin, AOD-9604 or both.
MARK ROBINSON: DIRTIED DOZEN DESERVE A FAIR GO
The others are

 Tom Bellchambers,
 Jake Melksham,
Heath Hocking,
Michael Hibberd,
Kyle Hardingham,
Tayte Pears
and Alex Browne.


Stewart Crameri, now at the Western Bulldogs, Scott Gumbleton, now at Fremantle, and delisted Bombers Ricky Dyson and Sam Lonergan
also told ASADA they believed or suspected they had been injected with the drugs while at Essendon in 2012.

http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/thirteen-months-after-the-drugs-in-sport-scandal-broke-12-afl-players-are-still-looking-for-closure/story-fndv8gad-1226842446681

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2368 on: March 02, 2014, 12:50:05 AM »
From the same article by Robbo ...

If a decision is made to take action, players would then be issued with “show cause’’ letters and given 10 days to make submissions before the Anti-Doping Rules Violation Panel ruled on their guilt.

The AFL would then decide what penalties - if any - to impose. That process is expected to take months.

One of the key hurdles ASADA will have to overcome is the circumstantial evidence surrounding Essendon’s use of Thymosin.

In a text message discovered by ASADA, sports scientist Stephen Dank tells former Essendon fitness boss Dean “The Weapon’’ Robinson in August 2011: “Don’t forget how important Thymosin is. This is going to be our vital cornerstone next year.

“It is the ultimate assembly regulatory protein and biological modifier.”

In another text to Robinson, Dank states: “Thymosin is so effective in soft-tissue maintenance.”

The AFL charge sheet against Essendon alleged the texts were evidence “Dank was referring to Thymosin Beta-4” because only the banned type of Thymosin aids in “tissue regeneration and recovery functions’’.

But Dank has denied giving Thymosin Beta-4 to any Bombers players and claims he was referring to the legal variant in the texts.

He has not given an interview to ASADA.

Whether bans could be pursued over AOD-9604 use is also unclear.

In its Drugs In Sport report last year, the Australian Crime Commission determined it was not banned.

But the World Anti-Doping Agency has consistently stated AOD-9604 was illegal from January 2011.

ASADA investigators conducted interviews with every player on Essendon’s 2012 list in April and May last year.

All Essendon players signed medical consent forms at the start of 2012 in the belief the drugs they were being given were approved by WADA.

The maximum penalty for doping is a two-year ban, but given the unique circumstances surrounding the supplements program, any players found guilty would expect to get significant discounts.

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The full list of substances allegedly used by Essendon players in 2012, according to ASADA:

Amino acids: Molecules that can build muscle, improve performance, help recovery.

Amino-Bol: Muscle-building supplement for workouts.

AOD-9604: Anti-obesity peptide used to increase power and rehabilitate soft-tissue injuries.

Arginine: Amino acid that helps heal wounds.

Caffeine: Stimulant of the central nervous system.

Cerebrolysin: Experimental peptide made from pig brain, and given to Alzheimer’s and stroke patients as it is said to improve cognitive performance.

Coenzyme: Used to treat muscle pain.

Colostrum: Derived from cow’s milk. Increases strength and endurance, builds muscle mass.

Comfrey: Herbal cream used for cuts, wounds and bruising.

Creatine: Bodybuilding supplement that provides energy to the muscles and helps recovery.

D-Ribose powder: Carbohydrate molecule that helps recovery and increases energy.

Glycogen: Substance deposited in bodily tissues as a store of carbohydrates.

Glutamine: Tasteless substance that reduces muscle breakdown.

Glutathione: Antioxidant that helps increase strength and endurance.

HMB: Bodybuilding capsules or powder supplement.

Humanofort: Supplement that encourages muscle growth.

Hydration shots: Electrolyte energy tablets

Interleukin: Helps regulate immune system

IV immune boost: Intravenous therapy that delivers vitamins, minerals and amino acids to the body

Last-Away: Antioxidant drink that helps fight fatigue and boost performance

Melibol: Branched chain amino acids designed to assist soft-tissue repair and recovery.

MP50: Weight-gaining, mass-increasing protein milk supplement.

Multi-vitamins: Supplements used for overall health.

Nitrovol: Pre-and post-workout powder shake used to build and refuel muscles.

Platelet-rich plasma: Injections of a players’ own blood used to treat musculoskeletal injuries.

Protein: Powder supplement used to build muscle and assist recovery.

Thymomodulin: Peptide derived from thymus glands of young calves. Helps boost the immune system. Not banned.

Thymosin: Peptide that assists muscle regeneration. The banned Thymosin Beta 4 is often used on racehorses.

Traumeel: Used in treatment of musculoskeletal injuries.

Tribulus: Herbal extract used for erectile dysfunction and low libido. Increases testosterone levels.

Ubiquinol: Anti-oxidant that helps increase energy.

Ubiquinone: Anti-oxidant that helps increase energy.

Vitamin D: Improves bone strength and muscle function.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/thirteen-months-after-the-drugs-in-sport-scandal-broke-12-afl-players-are-still-looking-for-closure/story-fni5f6kv-1226842446681

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2369 on: March 02, 2014, 12:10:00 PM »
ESSENDON chairman Paul Little has hit out at the Herald Sun for naming the 14 current and former AFL players who have been identified in ASADA's initial report into the Bombers' supplements program.

In an open letter to members, which was published on Essendon's website on Sunday morning, Little wrote: "This week the club received information that stage one of the ASADA investigation process has now concluded and Stage 2, the review stage, will begin – this is following standard ASADA procedure.

"Throughout this investigation, confidentiality has been paramount to protect the integrity of this process – unfortunately, at various times this process has been undermined by leaks, mistruths and a lack of ethical and professional behaviour.

"Today the club is particularly disappointed that the Herald Sun would choose to provide confidential information from an incomplete and interim report that could easily and unfairly damage the reputation of our players.

"As previously stated, we believe that our players did not take anything harmful, performance enhancing or illegal during 2012.

"Our club is by no means in any crisis but we are particularly frustrated and disappointed that the Herald Sun has been unable to show the same level of professionalism and integrity as our players have done throughout this process."

Later on Sunday, an AFL spokesman said the League had not been notified by ASADA of any impending action against any AFL players.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-03-02/dons-outraged