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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2610 on: June 14, 2014, 12:29:23 PM »
3AW Football @3AWisfootball  twitter:

Caro: 'James Hird will not coach the football club again'

Caro: 'I think Bruce Reid is the most guilty of everybody involved who was sanctioned.'

Lloyd: 'I would trust Bruce Reid with my kids.'

Good that you would Lloydy. I certainly wouldn't

Agree with Caro. I've never understood why if he was so disgusted by what was going on why he after he wrote that letter he didn't follow anything up

Bc his manlove for the golden idiot James Turd is greater than his professional moral judgement

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« Reply #2611 on: June 14, 2014, 12:38:12 PM »
Tim Watson finally saying that the longer that this goes on the messier it will get for Jimmy Turd and the EFC. He also admitted that Turd should take some responsibility and if these letters turn into infraction notices that Turd should not be welcomed back. 

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2612 on: June 14, 2014, 10:51:16 PM »
According to Sam Lane on Ch 7, the Sunday Age tomorrow will publish one of the show-cause notices from ASADA that has been sent to an Essendon player.

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ASADA invokes Lance Armstrong dope formula (Age)
« Reply #2613 on: June 15, 2014, 04:26:59 AM »
ASADA invokes Lance Armstrong dope formula

  Samantha Lane
     The Age
    June 15, 2014


The Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority has built a ''non-presence'' drug case against 34 Essendon footballers, adopting a strategy similar to the one used to ban Lance Armstrong without a positive test.

The Sunday Age can reveal the ''non-presence'' line ASADA is taking after viewing one of the 34 show-cause notices that was issued to current and past Essendon players on Thursday.

In taking this route, ASADA has chosen the same non-analytical approach that its American equivalent, USADA, used to ban Armstrong from all sanctioned sports competition for life without relying on positive drug tests.

Proof of breaches by the 34 Essendon players could result in a two-year ban at most, or a six-month ban with mitigation.

ASADA's approach indicates it is confident about the supplementary evidence it has gathered over the past 16 months to mount the case that 34 Essendon players used prohibited drugs during 2012.

The notice seen by The Sunday Age relates to prohibited substance ''use'' and lists one allegation of ''possible non-presence anti-doping rule violation''. The only prohibited substance listed in this show cause notice is Thymosin Beta 4.

The notice refers to information the footballer gave in an interview to ASADA investigators early in last year's AFL season and states that the dates of the footballer's ''alleged attempted use'' was ''between about January 2012 and September 2012''.

The show-cause document, signed by ASADA CEO Ben McDevitt, states that Thymosin Beta 4 is ''prohibited under the S2 category of the World Anti-Doping Agency's prohibited list 2012''.

The S2 categorisation - outlined in WADA's international code, to which the AFL is a signatory - typically triggers an automatic two-year ban for athletes provided the doping rule breach is proved.

An excerpt of the notice seen by The Sunday Age states:

''After reviewing the evidence in this matter I have determined it is possible that you have used the prohibited substance Thymosin Beta 4 during the period between about January 2012 and September 2012.

''Specifically, it is alleged that you used Thymosin Beta 4 through your participation in an injection regime organised by Mr Stephen Dank and conducted in his office at the Essendon Football Club premises.

''Your actions may constitute a possible violation of clause 2.01 (2) (b) of the National Anti-Doping (NAD) scheme established by the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority Act 2006.''

Significantly, as revealed by Fairfax Media last week, ASADA engaged pre-eminent US-based litigation and sports anti-doping lawyer Richard Young to help build its cases around AFL players.

It's understood Young, who was a principal draftsman for the original WADA code and assisted USADA in its actions against cyclist Armstrong and sprinter Marion Jones, travelled to Australia more than once to assist ASADA with its probes into the AFL and NRL.

In an interview with Fairfax Media last week, former WADA president John Fahey suggested that Young's expertise was critical to ASADA's work regarding the investigation.

Assuming it has no positive drug tests from Essendon players to rely on, ASADA would no doubt have used Young to test the body of evidence it has gathered through interviews, witness statements and a vast number of documents.

USADA used the same primary method to strip seven-time Tour de France champion Armstrong of his titles and, in 2012, ban him from sport for life.

Provided the cases against Essendon footballers proceed beyond the show-cause notice stage, the allegations against the players would be prosecuted and heard under the AFL Anti-Doping Code, amended in March this year.

The AFL Anti-Doping Code includes important footnotes related to ''use or attempted use of a prohibited substance''. Footnote nine states, in part:

''It has always been the case that use or attempted use of a prohibited substance or prohibited method may be established by any reliable means … such as admissions by the player, witness statements, documentary evidence, conclusions drawn from longitudinal profiling, or other analytical information which does not otherwise satisfy all the requirements to establish 'presence' of a prohibited substance under clause 10(a).''

Essendon players and their legal advisers have 10 days to respond to their show-cause notices, although it's understood the AFL Players Association, which is co-ordinating the footballers' legal representation, is considering applying for an extension.

The day after the notices were issued, ASADA CEO Ben McDevitt urged the 34 AFL players served with notices to date to ''fully cooperate'' with ASADA. McDevitt indicated this could potentially help players have possible two-year bans reduced to six months.

''If an athlete can demonstrate, for example, that they didn't know what they were receiving was in fact a performance-enhancing substance, which was prohibited, then they may be able to claim no significant fault - which could lead to a reduction of up to 50 per cent in the penalty that could be imposed,'' McDevitt said on Friday.

''It may well be the case that an athlete doesn't know that they have actually received, through injection or ingestion or otherwise, the prohibited substance.''

He also said if players ''provided substantial assistance'', including making full admissions, they could be eligible to have potential doping bans reduced by a further six months - making a 75 per cent discount on a two-year ban starting point possible for Essendon players accused of taking Thymosin Beta 4.

McDevitt's public advice to Essendon players triggered a rebuke from Bombers chairman Paul Little. Essendon and its suspended senior coach James Hird have filed proceedings in the Australian Federal Court to challenge the validity of the joint AFL-ASADA investigation. If successful, the club and outcast coach believe the entire investigation could be extinguished.

When the AFL imposed unprecedented sanctions on Essendon last August for governance failings - this resulted in the club's removal from the finals series and Hird accepting a 12-month suspension - it referenced a document of more than 400-pages prepared with ASADA.

While ASADA subsequently continued its probe - and re-interviewed some central figures in the AFL investigation - that document referenced more than 13,000 documents, including transcripts of interviews with more than 130 witnesses.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/asada-invokes-lance-armstrong-dope-formula-20140614-3a4k2.html#ixzz34dhK50Rv

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2614 on: June 15, 2014, 10:03:00 AM »

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2615 on: June 15, 2014, 02:46:13 PM »
lol l knew it was coming. They will not get out of this one.
Jobe will be handing over that Brownlow & he knows it  ;D

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2616 on: June 15, 2014, 10:20:05 PM »
ESSENDON chairman Paul Little says the club asked ASADA to hold off on issuing its players with show-cause notices over doping until after Sunday's clash with Melbourne.

The request was to allow the Bombers to properly prepare for the game.

Little also blasted the anti-doping body for irresponsibly using the media "by intimidating and attempting to negotiate with our players".

Read more at: http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-06-15/dons-wanted-asada-delay

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2617 on: June 15, 2014, 10:24:59 PM »
Wouldn't holding off just interfere with the following game?

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« Reply #2618 on: June 15, 2014, 10:48:33 PM »
ESSENDON chairman Paul Little says the club asked ASADA to hold off on issuing its players with show-cause notices over doping until after Sunday's clash with Melbourne.

The request was to allow the Bombers to properly prepare for the game.

Little also blasted the anti-doping body for irresponsibly using the media "by intimidating and attempting to negotiate with our players".

Read more at: http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-06-15/dons-wanted-asada-delay

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Why not postpone the season

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2619 on: June 16, 2014, 02:02:17 AM »
Wouldn't holding off just interfere with the following game?
Yeah and they're certainties to beat Melbourne anyway. Oh wait. I hate it when the game goes 120 mins and not 119.5   ;D

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2620 on: June 16, 2014, 11:25:45 PM »
Caro enjoys sinking the boot, its a riot!

I can't believe any of the players haven't yet come forward and said they'll cop the 6 months.  Their reputations are shot without any redemption if they just Weasel out of it using some legal Gymnastics.  If you were a sponsor would you want to hang round with that stench!  BHP The Big Australian Drug Cheats, Woolies Australia's Fresh Drugs People!  Somehow I don't think so.  Then the admin are gonna bleed the club dry with legal fees.

Personally I couldn't play with the sword of Damocles hanging over my head like that.  This Paul Little legal belligerence is just nuts.

 


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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2621 on: June 17, 2014, 03:34:52 AM »
The Dons are on their own :yep.

Rivals urge Essendon to accept penalties
  Caroline Wilson
     The Age
    June 17, 2014


AFL club presidents have expressed serious disenchantment with Essendon and its chairman Paul Little, increasingly enraged that Little’s latest round of legal manoeuvring is holding the game to ransom.

Fairfax Media understands that rival clubs are considering bringing forward a crisis meeting of all 18 clubs in a bid to bring some closure to the drugs saga.

The next scheduled meeting of club presidents is not until the end of September, but several clubs have contacted AFL chiefs in recent days urging the league to stand up to the Bombers’ litigious chairman.

West Coast chairman Alan Cransberg echoed the private and public thoughts of 10 club bosses contacted on Monday when he said: “I just think it’s a bloody pity that we’re going to have at least another 18 months of this circus. At some stage you’ve got to take your right whack.”

While Little on Sunday expressed appreciation at support from the AFL community, that view was not reciprocated from the majority of clubs.

Geelong boss Colin Carter said: “When Paul Little says he has the support of the AFL community, he shouldn’t assume he’s talking about us.

“This is going to have a damaging effect on the reputation of the competition and every time the AFL pays a legal bill every one of us is paying one-eighteenth of that amount.”

In his first public statement on Essendon for some months, AFL chairman Mike Fitzpatrick said he was extremely disappointed that the drugs scandal continued to unfold without resolution.

He also made some pointed remarks about key individuals penalised as a result of the joint AFL-ASADA investigation.

Port Adelaide’s David Koch warned the Australian sporting community and the international sporting community were closely watching the AFL’s handling of the drug allegations levelled against Essendon.

‘‘I want them to see that we are absolutely true to our values and that we are prepared to stand by the values which supposedly define us,’’ Koch said.

“We cannot fight this on technicalities; we’ve got to fight this on facts. Especially when we pride ourselves on being absolutely relentless in ensuring that our sport is clean. It doesn’t matter who individuals are or their reputations in our code – they have to be dealt with correctly.”

While several clubs were reluctant to expand publicly on Essendon’s legal strategy against the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority, the mounting disgust against the Bombers was clear, with no club contacted on Monday prepared to defend Little.

The Essendon chairman is understood to have launched the legal challenge against ASADA and its joint investigation into Essendon with the AFL without fully consulting his board. He told 3AW on Friday his club was unlikely to co-operate with a second ASADA inquiry, if that eventuated.

Hawthorn president Andrew Newbold, who reportedly strongly challenged Little when the 17 clubs called Essendon to account last August, and whose coach Alastair Clarkson aired his disappointment at the game being hijacked last year, said on Monday: “I think our view from a Hawthorn point of view and an industry point of view is well known. You don’t need me to say how it’s affecting the game. It’s obvious.”

Cransberg stressed his “great sympathy” towards the Essendon players who faced lengthy bans from the game.

“Normally I would say you’ve got to be responsible for your own actions and maybe they should have, but I think as leaders and governors of clubs we are responsible,’’ he said. ‘‘It’s hard I know to comment from the outside, but I think I know enough and I’ve been to enough meetings to know that this is maybe the time to put this whole issue behind us and let the game heal.”

Koch, recalling widespread criticism he received for declaring James Hird would never coach again, said on Monday: “I stick by that. This is a very, very serious charge and you’d expect all the authorities to go through a process that is very exacting. It’s all about the facts, and if the facts are that a banned substance has been used, then our sport has been tarnished with drug cheating.

“Let’s not kid ourselves, we have sympathy if there was deception and a breakdown in a club’s duty of care, but if there is evidence then we have to face the fact that this is drug cheating. I go back to the Ziggy Switkowski statement, and that was terribly disturbing.”

Adelaide chairman Rob Chapman, whose club takes on the Bombers on Saturday week, said he looked forward to discussing the issue first hand with Little.

“I know what it’s like to be under scrutiny, and we still get that here,’’ he said. ‘‘But this does have to end sooner rather than later. It’s distracting for everybody because it’s taking the focus from what is shaping up as a great season.”

Greater Western Sydney chairman Tony Shepherd said  of the Essendon scandal: “I think it is debilitating ... The sooner this is fixed the better for the whole competition. The other 17 clubs have always put the AFL first, supporting the game in what it is trying to do.”

Carter echoed Fitzpatrick’s position in supporting Essendon’s right to take ASADA to the Federal Court. But in a pointed remark, Carter said: “You can’t deny them that right regardless of the ethics involved.”

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/rivals-urge-essendon-to-accept-penalties-20140616-zs9z2.html#ixzz34pBcvgwB

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2622 on: June 17, 2014, 03:39:54 AM »
And it just keeps getting worse for Essendon with Dank now being investigated over alleged Medicare fraud including allegedly while he was their "sports scientist".

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Federal and state investigators have gathered evidence implicating Stephen Dank in wide-scale Medicare fraud and forgery, a development that could see the former Essendon and Cronulla sports scientist face criminal charges and a possible jail term.

Victoria Police detectives and Medicare investigators have interviewed witnesses and obtained documentary evidence that allegedly shows Dank forged and photocopied doctors' signatures to refer patients to pathology clinics in Sydney and Melbourne.

Essendon players are among those whose blood tests may have been ordered as part of the alleged Medicare racket, which may have involved the rorting of tens of thousands of dollars in taxpayer funds.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/victoria-police-investigate-stephen-dank-over-possible-medicare-fraud-20140616-3a8nk.html#ixzz34pCcEOcL


Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/victoria-police-investigate-stephen-dank-over-possible-medicare-fraud-20140616-3a8nk.html#ixzz34pC2ihjM

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2623 on: June 17, 2014, 06:58:35 AM »
Hope it goes to court   :pray

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2624 on: June 17, 2014, 09:35:20 AM »
Hope it goes to court   :pray

me too. they dont have a hope in my opinion. Asada have had their evidence and case checked by qcs and I think a former federal court judge. essendon are screwed. the best part will come when players start suing them for wrecking their careers and reputations and future earnings potential from loss of future sponsorship arrangements media and business opportunities. essendon are up the creek IMHO.