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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2805 on: August 21, 2014, 06:55:02 AM »
What the above article only mentions in passing is that the NRL players in relation to "deal" don't have the standard 10 days to respond that usually applies to show cause notices.

They've been given 48 hours to accept - they have to make a call by tomorrow   ;D

They are in similar boat to EFC players they can keep saying I didn't take anything illegal but the fact remains they don't know nobody knows....

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2806 on: August 21, 2014, 07:31:52 AM »
So WP correct me if I'm wrong but the events could happen like this

Middleton delivers his verdict siding with asada in October

Asada issues no cause notices then once again

Bombers admit guilt

Penalty backdated to November and the shows over

Asada. Are they fit real
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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2807 on: August 21, 2014, 10:26:25 AM »
Still reckon wada will bum smuck everyone

Don't see them being scared of jobs Watson if they got Armstrong

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ASADA tables offer to AFL for Essendon players to accept six-month bans (Age)
« Reply #2808 on: August 22, 2014, 03:40:14 AM »
ASADA tables offer to AFL for Essendon players to accept six-month bans

   Roy Masters
      The Age
    August 22, 2014



ASADA has tabled with AFL chief executive, Gillon McLachlan, a six-month sanction for Essendon players, on the condition they accept they took performance-enhancing substances in 2011-12.

If Essendon wait until the Federal Court's Justice John Middleton brings down his decision in the club's case that a joint AFL/ASADA investigation was unlawful, the offer will be withdrawn.

ASADA is willing to accept Essendon players were doped and duped and therefore qualify for a WADA "no significant fault" discount, taking the standard two-year ban for use of prohibited substances down to 12 months.

ASADA chief executive Ben McDevitt is also willing to apply the 75 per cent discount which applies to all athletes who concede guilt and whose evidence leads to a doping infraction being issued against another person. Essendon players co-operated with ASADA from the first days of the investigation, when the anti-doping body joined the AFL in order to take advantage of its coercive powers. However, the 75 per cent discount applies to the full sentence, meaning it is an 18-month concession on two years, not one year. That is, six months.

NRL players were effectively offered a three-month ban, with their year-long sanction backdated to November, 2013. Ironically, the AFL and its supporters in Canberra precipitated this. The ASADA Act allows for administrative delays in bringing a case to a conclusion to mitigate a sentence. The joint AFL/ASADA investigation, promoted by senior public servants in the government of Julia Gillard, shifted ASADA's already stretched resources away from Sydney to Melbourne, meaning the Cronulla investigation was effectively placed on hold.

The AFL, by bullying ASADA into producing evidence for an interim report to punish the club, coach James Hird and other Essendon staff, drew resources away from the NRL. The co-operation of WADA is mandatory for all discounted bans and McDevitt may have a difficult task convincing the Montreal-based world body to accept the proposed Essendon ban of six months

A level of co-operation with a national anti-doping body is necessary to sustain discounted sanctions. Essendon, by taking ASADA to the Federal Court, could be perceived to being unco-operative, while Cronulla's board ruled out legal action, irrespective of ASADA penalties. While Essendon players were not a party to the action taken by their club and Hird, they were represented by a leading Melbourne barrister, David Grace QC.

Furthermore, club president Paul Little, has persistently claimed Essendon players are not guilty of taking performance-enhancing substances and has aggravated ASADA by saying publicly it will not communicate with him. It is understood ASADA's initial reticence to meet Little was only prior to the issue of show cause notices to 34 past and present Essendon players, where he deemed it would be a conflict of interest.

All that is required under the ASADA Act, for the anti-doping body to issue an infraction notice, is to establish to its satisfaction that evidence of a doping breach took place. It is presumed in the case of Essendon it is the use of the banned thymosin drug.

ASADA has also requested McLachlan issue a life ban against sports scientist Stephen Dank, the architect of the supplements program at Essendon and Cronulla, although the anti-doping body accepts this is the only common link between the two football clubs.

The Essendon campaign extended over a full year, with multiple injections where, despite the magisterial authority of Hird, players could have been expected to ask after say the fifth needle what were the substances and why was the operation conducted off site and requiring signed waivers.

By contrast, the Cronulla drugs regime was brief and ad hoc, administered after the captain's run final training session, from a corporate box at the club's home ground, with supplements stored amateurishly in an esky. The Cronulla club doctor quickly banned all injections and the program quickly reverted to use of creams and lozenges.

It is anticipated a three-month ban of past and present Cronulla players, where only five (one who has already announced his retirement) remain at the club, will be more palatable to NRL clubs than if the same punishment was applied to Essendon, where more than 20 players remain. Rival AFL clubs will contend the damage done to the AFL brand is greater in Melbourne where the code takes on the status of a civic religion. Essendon, in line for a position in the 2014 semi finals, have major issues to confront in terms of the date a six-month ban begins.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/asada-tables-offer-to-afl-for-essendon-players-to-accept-sixmonth-bans-20140821-106qv2.html

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2809 on: August 22, 2014, 08:16:40 AM »
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Cronulla players accept guilty pleas for taking banned substances (News Ltd)
« Reply #2810 on: August 22, 2014, 12:27:18 PM »
Sharks ASADA case: Paul Gallen and majority of Cronulla players accept deal for reduced ban
Daily Telegraph
August 22, 2014


SHARKS captain Paul Gallen and the other 16 players under investigation have accepted guilty pleas for taking prohibited substances.

According to sources, by accepting the ASADA ban deal, the current NRL players will miss just three matches and the first three weeks of pre-season training for the 2015 campaign.

However, Gallen will be exempt from the upcoming Four Nations tournament because the suspension will not expire until November 21.

Players had been given until 9:30am this morning to agree, with their lawyers sweating on a formal guarantee that WADA would not overturn the bans.

http://www.news.com.au/sport/nrl/sharks-asada-case-paul-gallen-and-majority-of-cronulla-players-accept-deal-for-reduced-ban/story-fndv2ypb-1227032880273

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2811 on: August 22, 2014, 01:04:27 PM »
essendon should NOT be afforded the same luxury - deserve to cop their full whack

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2812 on: August 22, 2014, 01:12:50 PM »
essendon should NOT be afforded the same luxury - deserve to cop their full whack
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Little and Hird taking ASADA to court is/was hardly co-operating with the investigation  ::). Both should be marched out of the AFL for continuing to bring our game into disrepute and for screwing their players a second time in some pathetic and desperate attempt to save their own skins ::). If you were an Essendon player you would sue the EFC for every penny after this.
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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2813 on: August 22, 2014, 06:26:50 PM »
essendon should NOT be afforded the same luxury - deserve to cop their full whack
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Little and Hird taking ASADA to court is/was hardly co-operating with the investigation  ::). Both should be marched out of the AFL for continuing to bring our game into disrepute and for screwing their players a second time in some pathetic and desperate attempt to save their own skins ::). If you were an Essendon player you would sue the EFC for every penny after this.

and yet if those same players just spoke up and said enough of this crap, lets get it sorted, this would all be avoided. stuff the players, they are getting too much leeway from the average Joe imo, they aren't that stupid, they knew something was nqr

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2814 on: August 23, 2014, 01:32:42 PM »
Still reckon wada will bum smuck everyone

Don't see them being scared of jobs Watson if they got Armstrong
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THE Cronulla saga is as far from closure as ever with revelations late on Friday that WADA is set to exercise its right to intervene in the ASADA doping sanctions.

....Former WADA boss John Fahey said on Friday the penalties make a joke of anti-doping integrity in Australia.He has strongly urged WADA chief executive David Howman to review and over-rule the “light: sanctions handed to the players.
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/nrl/sharks-asada-case-cronulla-asada-saga-far-from-finished-as-wada-gets-involved/story-fni3gol8-1227033617768?nk=33d3e00e9b517c11d1a5b96167f857ce
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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2815 on: August 23, 2014, 08:53:48 PM »
ESSENDON'S players have been treated "pretty badly" in 2014 with the amount of pressure they've endured understated, says coach Mark Thompson.

"I think they’ve been dealt a hand that’s been awful, so for them to make it [finals], yeah … it’s fantastic for them," Thompson said. "I’m glad they’ve got something out of it and that was the reason why we’re all here, for them, because they’ve been treated pretty badly."

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-08-23/bombers-have-been-treated-pretty-badly-says-bomber


And whose fault was/is that, Bomber? :facepalm

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2816 on: August 23, 2014, 10:21:12 PM »
Stephen Dank banned for life by NRL over involvement in Cronulla Sharks supplements scandal.

http://www.news.com.au/sport/nrl/stephen-dank-banned-for-life-by-nrl-over-involvement-in-cronulla-sharks-supplements-scandal/story-fndujljl-1227034152141

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Sharks ASADA case: This drama has ruined my son’s career, says the mother of Stewart Mills

THE mother of Sharks discard Stewart Mills — one of 22 members of the 2011 squad originally in ASADA’s sights — believes Cronulla coach Shane Flanagan should be “banned for life” over the supplements scandal.

http://www.news.com.au/sport/nrl/sharks-asada-case-this-drama-has-ruined-my-sons-career-says-the-mother-of-stewart-mills/story-fndujljl-1227033668683

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2817 on: August 26, 2014, 11:17:58 AM »
https://www.wada-ama.org/en/contact-us

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everyone should be haranguing the pricks until they do the right thing

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2818 on: August 26, 2014, 05:36:31 PM »
Essendon assistant coach matt Egan seeing Geelong for medical mis practice

Hmmm

Wait until EFC players start growing third nipples and having testicles spontaneous combusting.

The humani right lawyers will be overdrive

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2819 on: August 26, 2014, 09:26:56 PM »
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