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« Reply #2940 on: September 20, 2014, 11:33:18 PM »
Regardless of what happens from here - this will taint them for a generation or two - absolute scum club and would not be sad to see them go under

Agreed. 15 years or so after the salary cap breaches at Carlton and I reckon the image of the club still hasn't fully recovered. In fact there remains an image of shifty doings and shifty supporters.

What has happened at Essendon is definitely worse. It will take till 2030 and beyond to shake this and even longer if they keep fighting the bad fight.

Whilst we have not done anything illegal we have been poo for 30+ years.

Reckon the Bummers are gone for at least 25 years. Hird and Little are the most despised people in football and the vitriol for Essendon from the other 17 clubs will be palpable.

The game and its stakeholders have been held for ransom. Hird owes us all to walk away and never show his face again. Never.

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2941 on: September 21, 2014, 08:55:34 AM »
New push to dump James Hird from Essendon could see him sacked before Christmas

    Rita Panahi
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    September 21, 2014 12:00AM

ESSENDON coach James Hird could be sacked before Christmas with a rival ticket led by disgruntled supporters set to challenge the Paul Little-led board.

The Sunday Herald Sun understands that a group of influential heavyweights will meet this week to finalise a ticket to challenge the incumbent board at the club’s November Annual General Meeting.

If successful the new board members will immediately call for James Hird to be removed as senior coach.

Hird yesterday flew out to San Francisco to complete an international business course as his club lurched to its lowest point since the supplement scandal was first revealed early last year.

It is understood that the existing board is already fractured with several directors unhappy about Hird’s presence at the club after serving a 12-month suspension.

A former player warned that the demoralising Federal Court judgement was the last straw for the current board.

“They have badly mishandled every key decision,” he said.

“They have failed their obligations and set the club back years.”

Most of the current board were at the club during the implementation of the supplement program. Only Simon Madden, who was elected last year, started his tenure after the supplement regime had ceased completely.

The revelations come as the club prepares for the possibility of show cause notices being issued to several support staff. Insiders at ASADA have hinted that there are more show cause notices to be issued stemming from the Essendon investigation.

The 34 current and former players already issued show-cause notices remain in limbo after Justice John Middleton on Friday dismissed Essendon and Hird’s challenge to the ASADA drugs investigation into the club.

Ruckman Patrick Ryder has already walked out and the club now faces a tough ask convincing other players to stay.

One of the 34 players issued a show cause notice told the Sunday Herald Sun that he was led to believe that the club would be certain to win its Federal Court case against ASADA and the notices would be set aside permanently.

The player said he had “no idea, none” that even if Essendon were successful in the Federal Court ASADA could launch a fresh investigation and re-gather the evidence needed for the issuing of show cause notices.

If the players accept deals from ASADA it would be unlikely that they would be available for selection in round one of the 2015 season.

It is understood the AFL has a contingency plan in place to ensure Essendon can field a team even if they have multiple players banned for doping breaches.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/new-push-to-dump-james-hird-from-essendon-could-see-him-sacked-before-christmas

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2942 on: September 21, 2014, 08:58:48 AM »
Bombers face a tough fight to appeal, say lawyers

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    September 20, 2014 - 7:00PM

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Essendon and James Hird could face an almost impossible task to successfully appeal their decisive loss in the Federal Court, lawyers claim.

The Bombers and Hird are weighing up whether to challenge Justice John Middleton's decision that the joint investigation conducted by the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority  and the AFL into the club's 2012 supplements program was lawful.

This comes as player agents with clients at Essendon on Saturday began discussing what their next move would be. A deal with ASADA is the preferred option for some now that the 34 players issued with show-cause notices face the prospect of infraction notices and suspensions. Potential law suits against the club, should infraction notices be issued, have also been raised.

Ruckman Patrick Ryder has already quit the Bombers largely because of the scandal, and met with Greater Western Sydney recruiting chiefs Graeme Allan and Steve Silvagni and coach Leon Cameron on Saturday.

It's believed the AFL Players Association will look to hold a meeting with the 34 players as soon as this week.

Middleton was emphatic that the anti-doping body and the AFL had done nothing wrong during their joint probe, and even ruled that the Bombers and Hird pay ASADA's costs, which some believe could be more than $500,000. The Bombers have already spent more than $1 million on legal fees this year alone, as the financial pain mounts.

Graham Smith, a partner with Clayton Utz and a leading industrial relations and employment law specialist, said the losing parties faced a major challenge if they chose to appeal.

"The decision  is a complete vindication of the actions taken by ASADA. It is a comprehensive and closely reasoned decision that is unlikely to be overturned on appeal, in my view," Smith said.

"When you look at it objectively, their case was not as strong as it appeared."

The Bombers and Hird had 21 days from Friday to appeal to the full Federal Court of three judges.

Smith said Middleton's decision reinforced the strength of the AFL's coercive powers that ASADA had required to compel the players to answer truthfully during their interviews. These interviews helped ASADA issue show-cause notices, which Hird and the Bombers had argued should be struck out.

"I would say the judgement contains a very lucid examination of the obligations of players and coaches under the player rules and the AFL standard player contract to co-operate in any joint AFL, ASADA investigation and to fully and truthfully answer any questions asked by the AFL, including on ASADA's behalf," Smith said.

"It does show the enormous breadth of power ASADA and the AFL have got to conduct a joint investigation through what he [Middleton] calls the 'contractual framework'.

"It shows the key role of the AFL in enforcing the ASADA regime."

Lawyer and blogger Natalie Hickey, a former partner at King & Wood Mallesons, wrote on sociallitigator.com that Middleton's factual findings were "devastating" for the Bombers and Hird.

She pointed to Middleton's declaration that "on the evidence before the court, the investigation disclosed a strong link between deficient governance and management practices at Essendon and the possibility of Essendon players being involved in anti-doping violations".

"Therefore, the poor governance and management practices at Essendon were related to possible anti-doping violations by Essendon players, to the extent that such violations may have been systemic, or may have occurred because proper governance and management practices were not in place. This seems to have been the very situation that existed at Essendon," Middleton said.

Hickey wrote: "In other words, Justice Middleton went further than an analysis of ASADA's legal powers. He was prepared to conclude that the apparent anti-doping rule violations leading to ASADA's intervention were entirely justified."

Hickey said lawyers for Hird and the Bombers would assess the findings of fact, the strength of the legal analysis and the impact of the discretionary factors before deciding whether to appeal.

While Hickey said "no judgment is appeal proof",  in terms of the finding of the facts, Hird and the Bombers faced a difficult task to push for an appeal.

"Findings of fact cannot generally be overturned on appeal. This is because the trial judge is in the best position to assess the demeanour of witnesses. Appeal judges only review the paperwork and do not get to see the witnesses again," she said.

"True it is, conclusions based on inferences [say, from documents] are more susceptible to challenge. However, appeal courts are generally at pains to support the decision of the judge below.

"Indeed, the task of an appellant to overturn a judgment cannot be overstated. It is very hard. There must generally be a clear error of law for an appeal court to find that one of their colleagues was mistaken in approach."

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/bombers-face-a-tough-fight-to-appeal-say-lawyers-20140920-10jqsb.html#ixzz3DtpOzdmw

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« Reply #2943 on: September 21, 2014, 11:22:41 AM »
"I welcome the Federal Court's decision," Fahey said.
"The governments of 194 countries have accepted the code in support of clean and ethical athletes and officials. To me it was beyond belief that one club in one city of one of those countries would believe the rules should not apply to them.
"It is time certain people with big egos and fat wallets threw them both in the drawer and started focusing on 34 young men and their future in sport.
"Refusing to face reality only increases the likelihood of longer suspensions for the players. I sincerely hope that commonsense now comes into play."

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From: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/former-wada-boss-john-fahey-believes-essendon-players-may-serve-longer-bans-20140920-10jo7t.html

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2944 on: September 21, 2014, 11:56:16 AM »
"I welcome the Federal Court's decision," Fahey said.
"The governments of 194 countries have accepted the code in support of clean and ethical athletes and officials. To me it was beyond belief that one club in one city of one of those countries would believe the rules should not apply to them.
"It is time certain people with big egos and fat wallets threw them both in the drawer and started focusing on 34 young men and their future in sport.
"Refusing to face reality only increases the likelihood of longer suspensions for the players. I sincerely hope that commonsense now comes into play."

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http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/former-wada-boss-john-fahey-believes-essendon-players-may-serve-longer-bans-20140920-10jo7t.html

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2945 on: September 21, 2014, 11:58:47 AM »
IMV the most pertinent thing John Fahey said is this

"It is time certain people with big egos and fat wallets threw them both in the drawer and started focusing on 34 young men and their future in sport."


From: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/former-wada-boss-john-fahey-believes-essendon-players-may-serve-longer-bans-20140920-10jo7t.html

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« Reply #2946 on: September 21, 2014, 12:01:15 PM »
I'm happy to let them keep going and absolutely annihilate their brand.

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« Reply #2947 on: September 21, 2014, 12:04:22 PM »
Listening to radio national this morning the legal eagles they had on,seem to be encouraging the Dons to appeal for the sake of the players

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« Reply #2948 on: September 21, 2014, 01:11:49 PM »
I only heard it on the TV in the background so I didn't hear all of it. Apparently there's going to be some meeting with/of the Essendon players. Barrett reckons some players will start seeking their own legal advice after Essendon as a club not only failed with the court case but now has the players in a worse position than ever before.

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« Reply #2949 on: September 21, 2014, 01:28:12 PM »
I'm happy to let them keep going and absolutely annihilate their brand.

I'm pretty much the same now.

Appealing the court case decision will result in A few more nails in the coffin for the club, more debt and probably force the players to revolt.

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« Reply #2950 on: September 21, 2014, 03:39:38 PM »
when the three month bans were handed to the cronulla players i caught the arse end of a press conference where the rep from ASADA was asked if a similar deal was on the table for essendon at this time, and he emphatically replied in the negative
I'm a Cronulla fan and yet I haven't followed it all that closely but I was under the impression Cronulla co-operated. Essendon on the other hand have taken it to court and will likely fight the show cause notices.
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« Reply #2951 on: September 21, 2014, 05:23:55 PM »
I believe a major sponsor is ready to run. :lol

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« Reply #2952 on: September 21, 2014, 06:27:04 PM »
Oh Robbo, what now of your poor fallen hero?

If only as (somehow) chief football writer you hadn't worn your heart on your sleeve and critiqued your boyhood club as fairly as you would have any other.

Now, barely able to string a coherent sentence together the last of your unstructured credibility dissolves into mere nothingness, then resentment.

You will be remembered as a key PR party to this whole mess. You bought in to the BS. You can only blame yourself


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« Reply #2953 on: September 21, 2014, 07:27:13 PM »
I believe a major sponsor is ready to run. :lol

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« Reply #2954 on: September 21, 2014, 08:26:34 PM »
He was prepared to conclude that the apparent anti-doping rule violations leading to ASADA's intervention were entirely justified."


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