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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2955 on: September 21, 2014, 08:31:42 PM »
Rogered3 any chance of getting him to run up Punt road?

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2956 on: September 21, 2014, 08:39:09 PM »
Oh Robbo, what now of your poor fallen hero?

If only as (somehow) chief football writer you hadn't worn your heart on your sleeve and critiqued your boyhood club as fairly as you would have any other.

Now, barely able to string a coherent sentence together the last of your unstructured credibility dissolves into mere nothingness, then resentment.

You will be remembered as a key PR party to this whole mess. You bought in to the BS. You can only blame yourself

Mark Robbinsdon is an effwitt. Hope he gets sacked on the back on this.

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« Reply #2957 on: September 21, 2014, 08:49:05 PM »

Denial in imbeciles runs deep........

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Humble NSW Fan, on 12 Sept 2014 - 12:19 PM, said:

I cant believe James Hird is making it all about himself again.
 
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Apparently he did not want any other coaches to attend
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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2958 on: September 21, 2014, 09:16:38 PM »
Oh Robbo, what now of your poor fallen hero?

If only as (somehow) chief football writer you hadn't worn your heart on your sleeve and critiqued your boyhood club as fairly as you would have any other.

Now, barely able to string a coherent sentence together the last of your unstructured credibility dissolves into mere nothingness, then resentment.

You will be remembered as a key PR party to this whole mess. You bought in to the BS. You can only blame yourself

Mark Robbinsdon is an effwitt. Hope he gets sacked on the back on this.

His position is as untenable as Hird's now in my view. Lost whatever little credibility he ever had.   Don't care for Barrett and certainly never liked snivelling ol' Four Eyes but Barrett nailed it when he said Slobbo writes his articles with his Essendon #5 jumper on the HUN replacing Sheahan with Slobbo as chief football writer was like replacing Sinatra with a karaoke singer.
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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2959 on: September 22, 2014, 10:41:23 AM »
Oh Robbo, what now of your poor fallen hero?

If only as (somehow) chief football writer you hadn't worn your heart on your sleeve and critiqued your boyhood club as fairly as you would have any other.

Now, barely able to string a coherent sentence together the last of your unstructured credibility dissolves into mere nothingness, then resentment.

You will be remembered as a key PR party to this whole mess. You bought in to the BS. You can only blame yourself

Mark Robbinsdon is an effwitt. Hope he gets sacked on the back on this.

It was only this time last week

Robbo had a erection and poo eating grin

Telling everyone thatd listen bomber and hird co-coaches

Pushing his cult like views  about his beloved albert . somewhere a shrink is having a field day writing a book OKeessendon and god delusion

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2960 on: September 22, 2014, 10:44:15 AM »
Robbo had a erection and poo eating grin

All three inches worth

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2961 on: September 22, 2014, 10:46:35 AM »
Supplements saga: Bombers must change a bad game plan

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Jake Niall

In September, there have been two complete and utter routs that were decided within 25 minutes. Richmond, which unwisely kicked into the wind, was embarrassed by Port Adelaide.

But the Essendon Football Club and its defiant coach James Hird fared far worse in the 25 minutes it took  Justice John Middleton to throw out their application, as if he was swotting a legal mosquito, on Friday afternoon. In cricket terms, Essendon's off and middle stumps were uprooted.

Middleton not only dismissed the Essendon application, he handed the club a nasty legal bill and - if the experts this column has consulted are right - closed down most avenues for Essendon and Hird to appeal the verdict. The judge's tone was suitably dismissive. 

The club was stunned. It had entered the court expecting a win of one sort or another and we assume that it was this scent of victory and vindication - that wafted through Melbourne's legal circles - that prompted Stephen Dank, who has avoided ASADA , to turn up.

On the same day, it was unsurprisingly confirmed that Paddy Ryder would be leaving the club, largely as a consequence of the fallout from 2012. Essendon, which bet the farm and lost in court, has to reconsider its whole approach and "us-against-them" psyche. The Dons' options have narrowed, because they have largely lost control of their capacity to influence what happens with the show-cause notices.

On Saturday, speculation abounded about whether Essendon and its coach would or should appeal. They shouldn't even consider it. Furthermore, no appeal should be countenanced without the blessing of most of those 34 players.

As it stands, there are 20 or 21 of them still at Essendon. By the end of trading/delisting, that number will have reduced further - perhaps to 17 or 18. So to speak of "Essendon players" is only half right. Almost half will likely be former Essendon players, whom the club has little capacity to influence - save for the fact that it is footing some of their exorbitant legal bills. Essendon and the AFL Players Association, to date, have managed to keep both current and ex-players in the same tent - a fair achievement, given the divergent interests. Amid the failings, Essendon's greatest achievement has been player retention.

The players weren't a party to the Essendon/Hird legal action - they merely made a submission - for this very sound reason: their legal team had to keep a plea bargain up their sleeve if infractions couldn't be stopped in court. The 34 players are entitled to a discounted penalty for providing cooperation and assistance to ASADA. Taking on the national doping body in court doesn't constitute "cooperation".

If this verdict does not bring a shift of mindset at Essendon, then the club will sink further, prolonging the eventual recovery. Who, outside of denialists and a diminishing portion of rusted-on fans, seriously thinks Hird should continue as coach, or that Essendon/Hird can continue their legal fight? The broader football community has had enough of the whole saga, which threatens to infect a third season.

Essendon, in so far as it can influence what those 34 players want, should help expedite the outcome of the show-cause notices. This does not necessarily mean helping facilitate a deal with ASADA. That is one of two realistic options for players.

The first option is to contest the show-cause notices and, failing that, to defend charges at the AFL's special doping tribunal. Doping experts reckon it is harder to  stop a show-cause becoming an infraction than to defend a doping charge in a tribunal. Once the charge is laid, the onus shifts to the prosecution to present its case at the  tribunal. The argument is that the tribunal is the best place to defend players.

Alternatively, the players can cut a deal. Most likely, this would be a Cronulla-style plea bargain, in which suspensions would be minimised, hopefully to the point that they are entirely served in the off-season, with a few weeks backdated.

But this would also mean an admission of inadverdant doping, which the players have understandably resisted to date. They haven't been willing to cross that bridge, partly because ASADA hasn't shown all its evidence. It would also mean the end of Hird. Essendon, therefore, has another incentive to keep Mark Thompson at the club and on standby - albeit "Bomber" suggested last year he, too, would go in the event of infractions.

Today, Essendon can only advise and assist the 34 players, who are in the hands of the AFLPA and their legal team. It is the players, not Essendon, who are facing show causes. It is the players, not Essendon, who  have to decide their next step.

A current Essendon player might take a different view to one who has left, or is leaving the club such as Ryder. Consider what happens if another club offers an Essendon player a contract, but is worried about a 12-month suspension. What if the new club asks him to have his suspension completed by March/April, as a way of protecting its investment?

Regardless of what each player decides, Essendon should mark Friday, September 19, as the end of its bellicose, litigious game plan, which has merely wasted money, time and intensified the irrational but understandable anger - against the AFL, ASADA, the Gillard government and certain journalists - of a sizeable chunk of its supporters.

It is always much easier to blame a third party, or the umpire, than to acknowledge one's own responsibility. The Switkowski report - implicitly criticised by Hird and Paul Little - was the high watermark for Essendon taking responsibility for its own actions and inactions and seeking to right mistakes.

Hopefully, the judgement will see a chastened club, one that recognises that it is part of a competition, that it cannot act unilaterally within an inter-dependent AFL environment. It will struggle, for instance, to recruit attractive players from other clubs at affordable prices while it is in combat mode. It is in Essendon's self-interest to change game plans.

In 25 minutes, Judge Middleton has put paid to the old plan, which involved too much attack and hasn't succeeded in defending the players.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/supplements-saga-bombers-must-change-a-bad-game-plan-20140920-10jshw.html#ixzz3E07LW0i8

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2962 on: September 22, 2014, 10:56:23 AM »
Whats their Plan B?

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« Reply #2963 on: September 22, 2014, 11:49:52 AM »
I nearly had a heart attack when I read that Julia Gillard was back in govt. what the stuff?

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« Reply #2964 on: September 22, 2014, 12:03:27 PM »
I nearly had a heart attack when I read that Julia Gillard was back in govt. what the stuff?

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2965 on: September 22, 2014, 05:43:44 PM »
Essendon captain Jobe Watson says the Bombers' unsuccessful court case against the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority was "inconsequential" to the players facing possible suspensions.

Despite the threat of suspensions hanging over their heads once more, Watson said the court case changed nothing from the players' perspective.

"Obviously it didn't work out they way the club wanted it to. The players were very much separate from that," the 2012 Brownlow medallist said on Monday.

"It was disappointing from the club's perspective, but the players were never really party to that at all, it was totally the club's decision to go ahead with that and unfortunately for them it didn't work out.

"Nothing's changed from the players' perspective. The court case was inconsequential to the players and their situation."

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-09-22/nothings-changed-jobe

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« Reply #2966 on: September 22, 2014, 05:48:33 PM »
I really thought Jobe was smarter than that  :facepalm :stupid
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Essendon players, AFLPA reject talk of deal with ASADA (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #2967 on: September 22, 2014, 05:50:57 PM »
Essendon players reject talk of deal with ASADA, demand doping evidence

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ESSENDON players have repeated their demand for ASADA to show them the evidence it has to back up doping allegations.

The players said today they had not moved to take any deal with the anti-doping body that could result in reduced suspensions in exchange for admissions of illegal drug use.

Thirty-four current and former Essendon players have been issued show-cause notices alleging the use of banned peptide Thymosin Beta 4 as part of the Bombers’ 2012 supplement program.

At least 20 of the players are still at Essendon, including ruckman Paddy Ryder who has told the club he wants to be traded.

The AFL Players Association indicated today it would not block Essendon or James Hird from appealing Friday’s Federal Court verdict.

“The AFL Players’ Association can confirm that the players’ legal team has now spoken to the majority of the 34 players who have been issued with show cause notices, and will seek to speak to the remainder of the players in coming days,” AFLPA CEO Paul Marsh said.

“Contrary to media reports and speculation, the players remain steadfast in their position that they are not looking to resolve this matter through a ‘deal’ with ASADA.

“Players continue to take the view that they have done nothing wrong and despite numerous requests, players have not been provided with any evidence to suggest otherwise.

“This matter has already severely disrupted two AFL seasons and taken an enormous toll on the players involved.

“As such, the players want this matter to proceed as soon as possible. For this to happen ASADA needs to provide the evidence it has and we call on them to do so urgently.

“There has been speculation that Essendon Football Club or James Hird will seek to appeal the decision made by Justice Middleton. That is a matter for them.”

http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-players-reject-talk-of-deal-with-asada-demand-doping-evidence/story-fndv8gad-1227066821684

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #2968 on: September 22, 2014, 06:00:04 PM »
Be careful what you wish for or demand, you might not like what you see/hear  ;D
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« Reply #2969 on: September 22, 2014, 08:22:42 PM »
I really thought Jobe was smarter than that  :facepalm :stupid

Yeh the same, are they part of a cult.
If they are this stupid then I hope they all get whacked into 2016. :thumbsup