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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #3150 on: October 27, 2014, 08:06:55 PM »
from what i understand these rules are drawn up more for individual athletes,where it would be an easy out to blame the coach and let them take the wrap, thus the onus is on the athlete.

IMO WADA need to completely overhaul the system, because at the moment there does not appear to be any capability to punish a club when they set out to rort the system with no concern for the players welfare as essendon have done, leaving the players to take the wrap when those supposed to be ensuring these rules are not broken are in fact the ones responsible.
I think they have already amended that for next year with much harsher penalties for those running teams that use systematic doping….
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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #3151 on: October 27, 2014, 08:15:27 PM »
That's a poor example. She would have grounds for contesting that if it was true, (I'm assuming she was from one of the soviet nations pre 92'?). Of course "my coach gave me some pill for a cold" wouldn't stand up if contested. The difference here is Essendon have those stupid signed acknowledgments.


No she didn't have grounds to contest as the rules (WADA) are very specific and ignorance is not a valid reason/excuse. Every athlete is ultimately responsible for what they take under the WADA code. Her excuse was a team doctor gave here the tablet and regardless she copped the minimum 2 year penalty

As for the when, it was 2000 and the athlete's name was Andreea Raducan and she was 16-year-old and she got stripped of her gold medal

Here's a link to the article/interview

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/coates-not-surprised-at-time-needed-for-asada-investigation-20141024-11bhfc.html
She absolutely would have grounds to contest. If an athlete is given a substance and told by a practising doctor its one thing and turns out to be an illegal performance enhancing drug then there are grounds to contest. Yes an athlete is ultimately responsible, but if you're unconscious or grossly ill-informed there is wiggle room. Case would be judged on its merits, however the strict interpretation was necessary due to a lot of cheating at Olympic level occurring when athletes were defending themselves under the "well the team doctor gave them to me" defence.
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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #3152 on: October 28, 2014, 04:01:51 AM »
Not unless they are unconscious during an operation and tricked by the doctor

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #3153 on: October 28, 2014, 04:27:07 PM »
ASADA case against Essendon players rests on injection regime

Roy Masters
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    October 28, 2014


Should players come forward within the next few days, volunteer guilt and provide solid evidence, it is expected ASADA will recommend they receive sanctions of less than six months under the substantial assistance provision.

Should players come forward within the next few days, volunteer guilt and provide solid evidence, it is expected ASADA will recommend they receive sanctions of less than six months under the substantial assistance provision.

ASADA's case against 34 past and present Essendon players rests heavily on evidence that points to a perfect match between the injection regime at the AFL club in 2012 and the protocol for administering the banned drug, thymosin beta 4.

The players have provided written documentation that they used four drugs, with one being "thymosin", the supplement biochemist Shane "Dr Ageless" Charter says was used at the club.

The players have also signed documentation of the number of injections they received per week throughout the season, which has been described as "an exact recipe for thymosin beta 4".

According to sports science sources, the standard protocol for the banned synthetic peptide is one injection each weekday for 10 weeks, compared with the injection regime for the natural substance, thymomodulin, which is one injection per week for six weeks. That is, 50 injections of the prohibited substance compared with six of the non-banned supplement in just over half the time. ASADA will argue that the batches of the supplement received by the club from the compounding pharmacist, Nima Alavi, is a match with the usage of the banned thymosin beta 4. It will be alleged multiple doses of the prohibited peptide, made to order, were received by the club in a regime that lasted over many months.

While the evidence is circumstantial, ASADA will argue it satisfies the "comfortable satisfaction" criterion the AFL tribunal must have to reach a guilty verdict.

Sports scientist Stephen Dank, the architect of Essendon's supplements program, accepts that there are considerable differences between the protocols associated with the injection regime of the two varieties of "thymosin" but would likely argue the evidence is fabricated.

Alavi has already accused Dank of forging his signature, while lawyers for the players may question the testimony of Charter, who was sentenced to four years' jail for the importation in 2004 of drugs. The hearing may also reveal some players had more knowledge of the drugs regime than others, where some may have seen evidence of thymosin beta 4.

Two players have their own legal representation, breaking from the 32 represented by the AFL Players Association.

Should players come forward within the next few days, volunteer guilt and provide solid evidence, it is expected ASADA will recommend they receive sanctions of less than six months under the substantial assistance provision.

However, the offer of six-month bans made to Essendon and the AFL in June, before the club and coach James Hird took action in the Federal Court, will not be revived by ASADA.

The original six months offer would have meant the suspension beginning after Essendon's last game in 2014 but the later start to the 2015 season, owing to the Cricket World Cup, may have meant they missed no matches.

But now, should the AFL tribunal find the players guilty of taking prohibited substances, it is likely ASADA will appeal any sentence that is not greater than six months.

While some of this sanction can be backdated, as it was in the case of 12 NRL players who represented Cronulla in 2011, it would result in AFL matches missed in 2015. WADA rules require sports' doping tribunals to hand down bans in number of months, not matches.

While the AFL has positioned itself as a disinterested party in the ASADA-Essendon dispute, surely it has everything to gain by having the players' bans minimised.

Similarly, the haste shown by the AFL Players Association in seeking to have the case go directly to the AFL tribunal, bypassing the anti-doping rule violation panel (ADRVP), is seen as a tactic to have a three-month suspension served in the off season.

To be fair, it is rare for the panel to overturn an ASADA action and order a case not to proceed, thus suggesting the body is redundant.

However, the players' association's demand for a quick hearing is perceived to be more about minimising the number of games missed in 2015. The fact it has not contacted ASADA directly is a further source of aggravation.

ASADA did fast-track the Cronulla case but did so via the ADRVP.

Furthermore, ASADA has already demonstrated resolve to have the case concluded. It could have waited until after the outcome of Hird's appeal to the Full Federal Court, before re-issuing show-cause notices, thereby pushing the saga, now known as "asaga", deep into 2015.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/asada-case-against-essendon-players-rests-on-injection-regime-20141027-11cgku.html

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #3154 on: October 28, 2014, 08:09:53 PM »
ASADA case against Essendon players rests on injection regime

Roy Masters
    The Age
    October 28, 2014


Should players come forward within the next few days, volunteer guilt and provide solid evidence, it is expected ASADA will recommend they receive sanctions of less than six months under the substantial assistance provision.

Should players come forward within the next few days, volunteer guilt and provide solid evidence, it is expected ASADA will recommend they receive sanctions of less than six months under the substantial assistance provision.

ASADA's case against 34 past and present Essendon players rests heavily on evidence that points to a perfect match between the injection regime at the AFL club in 2012 and the protocol for administering the banned drug, thymosin beta 4.

The players have provided written documentation that they used four drugs, with one being "thymosin", the supplement biochemist Shane "Dr Ageless" Charter says was used at the club.

The players have also signed documentation of the number of injections they received per week throughout the season, which has been described as "an exact recipe for thymosin beta 4".

According to sports science sources, the standard protocol for the banned synthetic peptide is one injection each weekday for 10 weeks, compared with the injection regime for the natural substance, thymomodulin, which is one injection per week for six weeks. That is, 50 injections of the prohibited substance compared with six of the non-banned supplement in just over half the time. ASADA will argue that the batches of the supplement received by the club from the compounding pharmacist, Nima Alavi, is a match with the usage of the banned thymosin beta 4. It will be alleged multiple doses of the prohibited peptide, made to order, were received by the club in a regime that lasted over many months.

While the evidence is circumstantial, ASADA will argue it satisfies the "comfortable satisfaction" criterion the AFL tribunal must have to reach a guilty verdict.

Sports scientist Stephen Dank, the architect of Essendon's supplements program, accepts that there are considerable differences between the protocols associated with the injection regime of the two varieties of "thymosin" but would likely argue the evidence is fabricated.

Alavi has already accused Dank of forging his signature, while lawyers for the players may question the testimony of Charter, who was sentenced to four years' jail for the importation in 2004 of drugs. The hearing may also reveal some players had more knowledge of the drugs regime than others, where some may have seen evidence of thymosin beta 4.

Two players have their own legal representation, breaking from the 32 represented by the AFL Players Association.

Should players come forward within the next few days, volunteer guilt and provide solid evidence, it is expected ASADA will recommend they receive sanctions of less than six months under the substantial assistance provision.

However, the offer of six-month bans made to Essendon and the AFL in June, before the club and coach James Hird took action in the Federal Court, will not be revived by ASADA.

The original six months offer would have meant the suspension beginning after Essendon's last game in 2014 but the later start to the 2015 season, owing to the Cricket World Cup, may have meant they missed no matches.

But now, should the AFL tribunal find the players guilty of taking prohibited substances, it is likely ASADA will appeal any sentence that is not greater than six months.

While some of this sanction can be backdated, as it was in the case of 12 NRL players who represented Cronulla in 2011, it would result in AFL matches missed in 2015. WADA rules require sports' doping tribunals to hand down bans in number of months, not matches.

While the AFL has positioned itself as a disinterested party in the ASADA-Essendon dispute, surely it has everything to gain by having the players' bans minimised.

Similarly, the haste shown by the AFL Players Association in seeking to have the case go directly to the AFL tribunal, bypassing the anti-doping rule violation panel (ADRVP), is seen as a tactic to have a three-month suspension served in the off season.

To be fair, it is rare for the panel to overturn an ASADA action and order a case not to proceed, thus suggesting the body is redundant.

However, the players' association's demand for a quick hearing is perceived to be more about minimising the number of games missed in 2015. The fact it has not contacted ASADA directly is a further source of aggravation.

ASADA did fast-track the Cronulla case but did so via the ADRVP.

Furthermore, ASADA has already demonstrated resolve to have the case concluded. It could have waited until after the outcome of Hird's appeal to the Full Federal Court, before re-issuing show-cause notices, thereby pushing the saga, now known as "asaga", deep into 2015.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/asada-case-against-essendon-players-rests-on-injection-regime-20141027-11cgku.html
Rubbish article.
He has his drugs mixed up and their dosages.
It's so bad, it's actually embarrassing!
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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #3155 on: October 29, 2014, 04:57:37 PM »

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Bomber Thompson faces AFL ban after failing to pay $30,000 fine (afl site)
« Reply #3156 on: October 31, 2014, 08:20:27 PM »
Mark Thompson faces ban from  AFL Commission after failing to pay $30,000 fine
afl.com.au
Alex Malcolm and staff writers 
October 31, 2014 7:15 PM


TWO-TIME premiership coach Mark Thompson could be banned from working in the AFL after he failed to pay a $30,000 fine arising from his role in Essendon's 2012 supplements program. 
 
Thompson's fine was due on Friday but an AFL spokesman confirmed the Bombers' 2014 senior coach had not done so.
 
His immediate future in the game now lay in the hands of the AFL Commission, the spokesman said.
 
Thompson was fined in August last year but was able to coach the Bombers this season while former coach James Hird served his 12-month suspension.

Essendon was fined $2million in total as part of the sanctions for the club's supplement program, however Thompson's fine was not to be paid by the club.

Essendon elected not to comment on Thompson's decision not to pay the fine when contacted by AFL.com.au on Friday.
 
It has been reported that Thompson has not had any contact with anyone from Essendon in recent days after several meetings between he and the club in the past fortnight surrounding his role in 2015.
 
Thompson has stated on a number of occasions, including at Essendon's best and fairest count, that he did not wish to step back into an assistant role after being the senior coach this season.

Hird said earlier this week that he still had a good relationship with Thompson but he added that the pair had not spoken for nearly a month.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-10-31/bomber-could-be-banned

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #3157 on: November 01, 2014, 12:57:47 PM »
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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #3158 on: November 06, 2014, 04:06:55 AM »
Missed this from a couple of days ago:

Bombers scientist Stephen Dank is still spruiking Essendon Football Club scandal drugs
Rita Panahi
Herald-Sun
November 03, 2014


STEPHEN Dank is selling the contentious drug at the centre of the Essendon doping saga.

A company connected with Dank, the architect of Essendon’s supplement program, is pushing the substance that ASADA accuses 34 current and ex-Bombers of using.

The controversial sports scientist is a major shareholder and director of the Medical Rejuvenation Clinic, a Sydney-based business that purports to offer “state-of-the-art age rejuvenation and well-being and sport science therapies including peptides’’.

The company’s website promotes the use of Thymosin Beta-4 or TB4 as “a first-in-class drug candidate” that provides a range of benefits including: “Increases lean muscle mass, helps repair tendons and ligaments, increases endurance, angiogenesis (growth of new blood cells from pre-existing vessels) in dermal tissues and decreases inflammation.’’

The “potent peptide’s” healing properties are expanded on further: “TB4 was identified as a gene that was up-regulated four to six-fold during early blood vessel formation and found to promote the growth of new blood cells from the existing vessels,” it says.

The website advertises substances referred to as both Thymosin Beta-4 and Thymosin. There is no mention of Thymomodulin, which some claim was the specific type of Thymosin — not prohibited — that Essendon players were repeatedly injected with during the 2012 season.

Consent forms signed by players say they were to be given a substance referred to as Thymosin.

In an interview with journalists last April, Dank stated that Thymosin Beta-4 had been part of his program at ­Essendon, however after being advised of its banned status, Dank reportedly said he was mistaken and that Thymomodulin was administered.

Dank denies giving athletes any banned substances. His website advises that “if you are a professional athlete please consult the ASADA or WADA guidelines and your coach, club and/or sporting body before using this peptide”.

http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/bombers-scientist-stephen-dank-is-still-spruiking-essendon-football-club-scandal-drugs/story-fndv8gad-1227110317182

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #3159 on: November 07, 2014, 09:13:40 PM »
Fans' interests forgotten in Hird's appeal: ASADA
Matt Thompson 
afl.com.au
November 7, 2014 6:45 PM


THE INTERESTS of the AFL and the public must be considered alongside those of the 34 Essendon players facing potential doping charges, the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority says.

ASADA’s stance was revealed in documents released by the Federal Court on Friday, outlining part of the defence it will mount against James Hird’s appeal bid.

Hird is challenging Justice John Middleton's ruling in September that the anti-doping watchdog acted within the law in its investigation into the club's 2012 supplements regime.

Following the ruling, ASADA re-issued detailed show-cause notices and summaries of evidence to 34 past and present Bombers players.
 
In its written submissions, lawyers for ASADA argue: "the interests of the 34 players are relevant, so too are the interests of the AFL and the public at large."
 
"Those interests militate strongly against permanent injunctive relief and favour non-interference with the show-cause notices - particularly since they have been re-issued.”

The anti-doping body alleges the players were injected with banned peptide Thymosin beta-4.

Thirty-two Essendon players have said they won't respond to the show-casue notices and are pushing for their cases to be fast-tracked to the AFL Tribunal.
 
Hird is appealing against the wishes of the club and the players involved, and his lawyers maintain ASADA acted beyond its power.
 
"ASADA (and the CEO) did not have unlimited the investigative powers. ASADA sought to supplement the granted power in a way neither contemplated nor authorised by Parliament and that was unlawful," Friday’s submission said.

"The judge failed to establish any statutory basis ASADA ... to enter into, and implement, an agreement with the AFL to investigate anti-doping violations under the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority Act ... or to institute and conduct ASADA's investigation in concert with the AFL, as they did.

"The investigation must ... start over and be carried out according to law."
 
The appeal has been set for a one-day hearing before Justices Susan Kenny, Tony Besanko and Richard White at the Federal Court in Melbourne on Monday.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-11-07/fans-interests-forgotten-in-hirds-appeal-asada

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #3160 on: November 08, 2014, 10:53:34 AM »

Excellent update on the appeal process available from The Social Litigator's site

http://sociallitigator.com/

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #3161 on: November 11, 2014, 02:37:10 PM »
Just what the game needs - the judge's final decision on Hird's appeal won't be known until 2015. Thanks Jimmy, you really care about everyone else and a quick outcome ::)  :banghead.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-11-11/afl-no-doping-patsy

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #3162 on: November 11, 2014, 06:25:10 PM »
just why?
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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #3163 on: November 12, 2014, 10:41:59 PM »
Bye bye Bomber
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/don-and-dusted-mark-thompson-and-essendon-to-part-ways-20141112-11l56t.html

An inglorious exit from football by Bomber. Actually he has left the game in disgrace. Having said that you would have got decent odds on him going before Hird.
The AFL may not be able to enforce the $30k fine but there are other ways. The commission should ban him from the game and revoke his life membership, that is a given, but further to that I hope they resolve to investigate Thompson, his relationships and conditioning programs at Geelong, there is a clue to this in point 25 in original charge sheet against Essendon
25. Thompson pushed very strongly for the appointment of Robinson, notwithstanding the
fact that Thompson knew or believed that there were significant concerns about the
manner in which Robinson had conducted himself.

The AFL should investigate if the 2 Geelong flags were clean, this guy is as much as a maverick as Dank or Robinson himself!
The one area where I will give Bomber credit is that in his return to Essendon he managed in only 2 years to tear the club to shreds with his dodgy mates, set the club back years onfield AND rip a couple of million out of the them for sitting there drinking coke and eating party mix. From that perspective he is a genius, and it is the administration who are the fools.
 

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #3164 on: November 12, 2014, 10:59:04 PM »
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